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[Jebel Krong]

i'd like to see a reaper-war set RTS myself.

[Blarty]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Seboist wrote...
It's simple, Shepard is the biggest loose end for any Mass Effect MMO or spin off and needs to be "dealt with". Him/her succumbing to Reaper tech due to Lazarus is a great way of doing it.

Let me predict there won't be a Mass Effect MMO set in the century after the Reaper war, for the reason that any political/technological scneario they used would have to be based on a certain set of players' choices. The inevitable result is that the scenario will annoy more fans than it will please.

Also this would deprive many players of their happy endings. Shepard would be forcibly turned into Thane. No, that wouldn't be great at all, but hugely annoying. I want to be able to imagine a long life for my Shepard (and with Miranda should that apply) without being contradicted by canon.

If they make an ME MMO, it's best to start around 2170. There will only be a problem if it lasts 15 years. Heh, I knew the compressed timeline would bite them in the butt at some time.... 

Taking an assumption of any game after ME3, not just an MMO, even if it is set just a few, oir even 50, years after ME3, why couldn't the major end-game choices, and Shepard's face and look,  be imported from ME3.... there's no need to spiral out long trails of storyline, they can still be tied up in ME3 potentially, but if there's different endings for ME3 then that means that there's potentially different beginnings for a series after ME3, even if they're just quasi-political, or the galactic news saying 'this is the anniversary of Shepard doing yada-yada'.

If Mass Effect is to continue after the events of ME3 it has to have continuity - look at KOTOR and SW:TOR, " Erm, yeah, we don't know about Revan, he died of old age didn't he? Did he die of old age? Yes, he died of old age, or something like that, so erm... Heh, yeah he was a great Jedi, wasn't he? One of the best Star Wars extended universe characters... all those fun times you had with Revan, and then the Exile going off into some part of space just like Revan.... Good Times. Yeah,so, Revan won't be back and,erm, we're not really sure why from a story point of view..... next question!"

[Ieldra]

Blarty wrote...
Taking an assumption of any game after ME3, not just an MMO, even if it is set just a few, oir even 50, years after ME3, why couldn't the major end-game choices, and Shepard's face and look,  be imported from ME3.... there's no need to spiral out long trails of storyline, they can still be tied up in ME3 potentially, but if there's different endings for ME3 then that means that there's potentially different beginnings for a series after ME3, even if they're just quasi-political, or the galactic news saying 'this is the anniversary of Shepard doing yada-yada'.

What if species become extinct in your ME3? What if humanity becomes dominant? What if Earth is lost? One of the really great elements of ME3, as admitted by Bioware, one they're really glad they can do, is widely divergent consequences. They don't need to railroad the galaxy to the next game, and they don't want to. I hope we will get those diverging consequences.
Examples: If a species becomes extinct in one game and doesn't in the next, if Earth is destroyed in one and not in the next, if in one scenario only Cerberus survives the Reaper invasion - those are fundamentally irreconcilable differences. If you make a world based on one scenario it excludes the other, and the fans who chose the other will complain.

And....were you saying 50 years? 50 years is absolutely nothing. Talk about 500 years and the results of the reconcible decisions may just balance out. Make 5000 years of it, and maybe old homeworlds and old places where the war took place will be forgotten and the new scenario will play somewhere else in the galaxy, that can be done. But then, there is the problem of technological advancement - to balance that would be monumental worldbuilding effort. In the end, the more familiar you want your scenario to be for the old fans, the more of the players' possible decisions you must railroad. That's why I said the best time for an ME MMO would be the 2170s.

And now enough of this OT stuff, as interesting as it is. While I would like some mythology about Miranda and Shepard to influence culture 2000 years after the events of ME3, I'm almost certain it won't happen except in players' personal timelines.

[jtav]

Personally, I think Shepard's a goner, with Casey's question dodging on the subject and all the talk about a twist. Or he'll vanish. Either way, a non-factor in future. Though it's probably wishful thinking on my part.

[Blarty]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Blarty wrote...
Taking an assumption of any game after ME3, not just an MMO, even if it is set just a few, oir even 50, years after ME3, why couldn't the major end-game choices, and Shepard's face and look,  be imported from ME3.... there's no need to spiral out long trails of storyline, they can still be tied up in ME3 potentially, but if there's different endings for ME3 then that means that there's potentially different beginnings for a series after ME3, even if they're just quasi-political, or the galactic news saying 'this is the anniversary of Shepard doing yada-yada'.

What if species become extinct in your ME3? What if humanity becomes dominant? What if Earth is lost? One of the really great elements of ME3, as admitted by Bioware, one they're really glad they can do, is widely divergent consequences. They don't need to railroad the galaxy to the next game, and they don't want to. I hope we will get those diverging consequences.
Examples: If a species becomes extinct in one game and doesn't in the next, if Earth is destroyed in one and not in the next, if in one scenario only Cerberus survives the Reaper invasion - those are fundamentally irreconcilable differences. If you make a world based on one scenario it excludes the other, and the fans who chose the other will complain.

And....were you saying 50 years? 50 years is absolutely nothing. Talk about 500 years and the results of the reconcible decisions may just balance out. Make 5000 years of it, and maybe old homeworlds and old places where the war took place will be forgotten and the new scenario will play somewhere else in the galaxy, that can be done. But then, there is the problem of technological advancement - to balance that would be monumental worldbuilding effort. In the end, the more familiar you want your scenario to be for the old fans, the more of the players' possible decisions you must railroad. That's why I said the best time for an ME MMO would be the 2170s.

And now enough of this OT stuff, as interesting as it is. While I would like some mythology about Miranda and Shepard to influence culture 2000 years after the events of ME3, I'm almost certain it won't happen except in players' personal timelines.

The point I was trying to make, is that continuity is important, and at the very least, some effort should be made to keep the ME universe intact.... just the point you were making, albeit from a slightly different viewpoint.

[Arijharn]

I don't think Shephard's really all that important post ME3 for the most part. Our hero is either on assignment as part of his Spectre duties, on a romantic holiday with Miranda and can't be bothered ever or even dead.

But his death doesn't have to be caused by some backfire consequence of using Reaper-derived tech in Lazarus, there are for more readily available tools to ensure that Shephard's death is timely, and not all of them would roll eyes and make people mutter once again at how inept Cerberus seems to be.

[enayasoul]

Arijharn wrote...

While I realise I may be a bit late to the argument (damn sleep!) -- I'm completely and utterly (italics for emphasis!) against the whole idea of Shephard being resurrected with Reaper technology for one simple reason imo; why can't it be simple human ingenuity and endeavour that allowed them to progress? Why must it be an 'outside,' even potentially hostile influence that allowed it to happen. I think making Shephard be brought back to life with Reaper technology actually cheapens the idea of what the Lazarus project was able to do, because it becomes less about 'science' and more 'black box sorcery' as soon as you throw "Reapers did it" into the equation; making it the Mass Effect's universe equivalent of the 'devil made me do it.'

I agree with Shepard NOT being resurrected with Reaper tech.  I DO NOT want this.  Why can't human ingenuity win out on this?  Miranda says it would have failed if he didn't come back as who he was with the same morals, same mind.  I think this is one of her greatest achivements and she should be proud of doing something great!

I also DO NOT want Shepard killed off either.  That would suck in my game play.  I actually LIKE my shepard and what he has gone through and done over the last two games.  My first playthrough was all paragon but now he's all renegade with some paragon is how I see him.  He's grown/changed/hardened in character.  They should give him a damn medal for all the political bull**** hoops they've thrown at him.

I'd rather have an ending where he saves the galaxy together with all the other races and takes a long romantic vacation with Miranda. 

I would love an MMO of Mass Effect.  They even hinted at the idea of "what if you could walk around in that world?" that would be great!  I am sure they are brillant enough to come up with a logical time frame.  They have a team now experienced in creating one with KOTOR MMO.  Can't wait to sink my teeth into it. 

Modifié par enayasoul, 04 août 2011 - 12:21 .

[Ieldra]

enayasoul wrote...
I also DO NOT want Shepard killed off either.  That would suck in my game play.  I actually LIKE my shepard and what he has gone through and done over the last two games.

+1
I would like a diverse set of possible endings for Shepard, including one where he can expect to have an average life span. A forced death a decade down post-ME3 would suck. 

I'd rather have an ending where he saves the galaxy together with all the other races and takes a long romantic vacation with Miranda.

You know, I think Miranda would be bored before long and ask Shepard why they couldn't do something useful.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 04 août 2011 - 12:49 .

[goofyomnivore]

I don't see an uncontrollable death for Shepard. This forum and many players would be in uproar.

As for Shepard and Reaper-tech. I believe BioWare is more creative than that. That is a plot twist seen a mile away.

As for maintaining a timeline. I think Mass Effect - 3 will have little impact on future titles. At the most Shepard will get a nod for his universal/canon accomplishments(defeat the Reapers/Saren/First Human Spectre/etc). I don't think an MMO is in the near future for Mass Effect. I think the next step they have planned is creating a multiplayer shooter with a campaign. That is the vibe I get from them poaching nearly a third of the Gears of War team. Making a campaign for a game like that would be incredibly easy to not mess with the timeline at any "time" in Mass Effect. I would prefer them focusing on s-RPG only personally.

As for Miranda related; (not sure if this has been discussed) I was recently pondering about how Miranda would react to Oriana wanting to use her "gifts" to aid humanity in a similar way Miranda does? I think Miranda would coddle her, and aim to keep her away from the dangers of the lifestyle.

[enayasoul]

Ieldra2 wrote...

enayasoul wrote...
I also DO NOT want Shepard killed off either.  That would suck in my game play.  I actually LIKE my shepard and what he has gone through and done over the last two games.

+1

I'd rather have an ending where he saves the galaxy together with all the other races and takes a long romantic vacation with Miranda.

You know, I think Miranda would be bored before long and ask Shepard why they couldn't do something useful.

Probably! 

[enayasoul]

strive wrote...

I don't see an uncontrollable death for Shepard. This forum and many players would be in uproar.

As for Shepard and Reaper-tech. I believe BioWare is more creative than that. That is a plot twist seen a mile away.

As for maintaining a timeline. I think Mass Effect - 3 will have little impact on future titles. At the most Shepard will get a nod for his universal/canon accomplishments(defeat the Reapers/Saren/First Human Spectre/etc). I don't think an MMO is in the near future for Mass Effect. I think the next step they have planned is creating a multiplayer shooter with a campaign. That is the vibe I get from them poaching nearly a third of the Gears of War team. Making a campaign for a game like that would be incredibly easy to not mess with the timeline at any "time" in Mass Effect. I would prefer them focusing on s-RPG only personally.

As for Miranda related; (not sure if this has been discussed) I was recently pondering about how Miranda would react to Oriana wanting to use her "gifts" to aid humanity in a similar way Miranda does? I think Miranda would coddle her, and aim to keep her away from the dangers of the lifestyle.

Yes, Miranda is VERY protective of her sister.  I think that would also annoy Oriana.   

[Ieldra]

strive wrote...
As for Miranda related; (not sure if this has been discussed) I was recently pondering about how Miranda would react to Oriana wanting to use her "gifts" to aid humanity in a similar way Miranda does? I think Miranda would coddle her, and aim to keep her away from the dangers of the lifestyle.

I have proposed such a scenario as a possible way to get Oriana involved without reducing her to the role of a victim or blackmail material. It would be a very interesting character development for Oriana, though her way should not be  too similar to Miranda's. I can definitely see her trying to contribute to the war effort in some dangerous way. In such a situation, we could influence Miranda's decision: let Oriana make her own way and support her with advice, or try to keep her away from it. If you choose the latter, Oriana ends up on a planet that will be attacked by the Reapers....  bringing the point home that there is no safe place in the galaxy at this time.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 04 août 2011 - 12:56 .

[Arijharn]

Them (aka; BioWare) poaching most of the Gears of War team is news to me, when did that happen?

BioWare making an MMO set in the Mass Effect universe would basically mean that they should get the Canadian treasury to give them a money printing press imo, since I doubt the treasury could keep up with the amount of money they'd be making... yes, I think it would be that popular and best yet they wouldn't have to cough up licensing fee's (*cough*LucasArts*cough*). They should probably wait until other TOR ships though...

[Arijharn]

Jebel Krong wrote...

i'd like to see a reaper-war set RTS myself.

I'd like to see something like this too, but it would really depend on what sort of role Shephard plays in ME3 I guess.

[ISpeakTheTruth]

Shepard doesn't have to die to have another ME game that doesn't involve him. For god's sake its an entire galaxy the odds of finding a single person while traveling randomly through the galaxy is rediculous especially when Shepard flys around space all the time too you could have a game where yoiu hear about Shepard and never see him and it wouldn't be wierd becuase... its a whole galaxy.

[Melra]

Arijharn wrote...

Jebel Krong wrote...

i'd like to see a reaper-war set RTS myself.

I'd like to see something like this too, but it would really depend on what sort of role Shephard plays in ME3 I guess.

Only if Reapers survive and other races take huge steps forward in technology, after salvaging the Reapers that were defeated. Else it would be silly to balance the races for just gameplay's sake.

I need moar Miwi info.

[The Uncanny]

Melrache wrote...
I need moar Miwi info.

Me too.

Let's make up outrageous lies and then they'll have to give us some information to refute them. 

[Melra]

They'd have to crack eventually or they'd just shutdown BSN for while.

[LiquidGrape]

Miranda will at one point perform "Anything You Can Do" dressed in nothing but pasties and a g-string, but only if you finished Mass Effect 2 on insanity, brought her along for every mission, and if she never fainted in battle on the same playthrough.

True fax.

Modifié par LiquidGrape, 04 août 2011 - 02:26 .

[Melra]

LiquidGrape wrote...

Miranda will at one point perform "Anything You Can Do" dressed in nothing but pasties and a g-string, but only if you finished Mass Effect 2 on insanity, brought her along for every mission, and if she never fainted in battle on the same playthrough.

True fax.

Fact, until proven otherwise.

[Terminatort800]

The Uncanny wrote...

Melrache wrote...
I need moar Miwi info.

Me too.

Me too. I would like to hear some news.

Please BW, give us something...a new hope.

[The Elder King]

We can hope to have news in Gamescom. Though I'll be satisfied with Gamescom if we'll have a new demo footage.
If they continue to show us Sur'kesh, I'm probably going to be massively bored during that part in ME3.<_<

[Ieldra]

I wouldn't mind seeing Sur'kesh again if we had Miranda on the team this time

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

^ THIS

[The Elder King]

Ieldra2 wrote...

I wouldn't mind seeing Sur'kesh again if we had Miranda on the team this time

I agree, this could be the only reason to see again the Sur'kesh demo:). But in any other case I'll turn the link off if there is the same footage of the previous conference.

Modifié par hhh89, 04 août 2011 - 03:30 .