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[Taboo]

The hose malfunctioned. Miss Rose is correct. It wasn't supposed to be that strong. They couldn't re-shoot it. What you see is a **** ton of pressure coming out.

Those films are the beginning of the "The Man With No Name" stories. They are easy to find. You should try one sometime.

Reused Taboo pic ahoy!

Modifié par Taboo-XX, 08 septembre 2012 - 05:24 .

[LanceSolous13]

Can I just point out how stupid it is for Bioware to refuse to change their endings at the same time as releasing a DLC that desperatly wants to have an impact on the endings.

Also how stupid it is to introduce the Leviathans and then have no conflict resolution.

[Taboo]

A lot of it has to come from head canon.

The Leviathans are a threat. I'd like that, for me at least, Shepard and Miranda could find a way to be rid of them. Lead a team to...**** with the planet somehow. I've been researching planetary disasters. There are some that are really quite interesting.

Can you imagine what could be learned from them? Their bodies? Their tech? Fascinating to think about.

[LanceSolous13]

That's sort of the thing. I'm outlining my ME3 Rewrite and I, for the life of me, cannot figure out WTF to do with Leviathan. It has great build up, but it builds up to either nothing or just the crap from before. : /

As much as I want to keep parts of it in my rewrite, I have no idea how to resolve any of this while still keeping the Reapers a mystery and ete...

[kaymarierose]

LanceSolous13 wrote...

Can I just point out how stupid it is for Bioware to refuse to change their endings at the same time as releasing a DLC that desperatly wants to have an impact on the endings.

Also how stupid it is to introduce the Leviathans and then have no conflict resolution.

I think its been long enough. People just need to let the endings issue go. By now all of them could've had fantastic head-canons that fix things the way they want. Yet they spend their time complaining about something that will never change.

No one is ever going to be satisfied no matter what Bioware does. Move on people. There is more important things to fill your brain with.

Think happy thoughts. 

[Taboo]

You don't have to use them you know.

All Leviathan convinced me of was something that Ieldra and myself have been saying for a couple of months. It's nothing more than a cosmic tragedy.

Think along those lines. These things are nothing more than the creation of hubris laden organics. A mistake. The mystery you can address is the nature of life itself. Why didn't they take responsibility for their creations?

[Taboo]

Nice work with that hose Miss Rose. You understood the issue without having it explained. I should have stated that there was an issue beforehand.

Modifié par Taboo-XX, 08 septembre 2012 - 06:19 .

[kaymarierose]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Nice work with that hose Miss Rose. You understood the issue without having it explained. I should have stated that there was an issue beforehand.

I know. I'm amazing. 

[dtrain24]

kaymarierose wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Nice work with that hose Miss Rose. You understood the issue without having it explained. I should have stated that there was an issue beforehand.

I know. I'm amazing. 

Still not better than me.

[Taboo]

I was looking for inspiration for fabulous outfits from David Bowie but all I ended up seeing was more of him than I needed to. Another day in my life.

Anyway I'll probably download Skype tomorrow. I'll bother one of you tomorrow. Or all of you.

Pepper your Angus.

[LanceSolous13]

Taboo-XX wrote...

You don't have to use them you know.

All Leviathan convinced me of was something that Ieldra and myself have been saying for a couple of months. It's nothing more than a cosmic tragedy.

Think along those lines. These things are nothing more than the creation of hubris laden organics. A mistake. The mystery you can address is the nature of life itself. Why didn't they take responsibility for their creations?

You need to remember that my rewrite complete axes the Catalyst and Reaper Origins. They are meant to remain a giant mystery. Taking that out, I have no idea what to do with Leviathan at all. I don't want to have some great scenes I have in my head go to absolute waste but...

[Taboo]

LanceSolous13 wrote...

You need to remember that my rewrite complete axes the Catalyst and Reaper Origins. They are meant to remain a giant mystery. Taking that out, I have no idea what to do with Leviathan at all. I don't want to have some great scenes I have in my head go to absolute waste but...

Change their shape. Simple.

The Reapers are Lovecraftian Horrors. They take inspiration from Cthulhu.

Try another one like this. A big ball of fleshy material.

Shub-Niggurath

[LanceSolous13]

That's not what I meant.

Leviathan's goal/point - "Explain Reaper's Origins"
Exactly what I don't want to do - "Explain Reaper's Origins"

The simple answer would be to completely toss Leviathan out the window but I want to salvage as much as I possibly can.

[Taboo]

That's why I said change their shape. They don't have to look like Giant Cuttlefish.

Also, make it a different race. Old as dirt and somewhat familiar with past cycles.

You can have your huge ass sea monsters WHILE keeping the Reapers a mystery.

[LanceSolous13]

I guess. It'll just require a really extensive rewrite. I can't have the mining facility scene at all as Indoctrination would no longer be a factor.

Need to focus on the Leviathan of Dis and the fact that something killed a Reaper, rather than the Reaper Origins.

[Taboo]

I'm not as familiar with the Cthulhu Mythos as I should be. I'm rather ashamed of myself to be honest. I really, really like "The Call of Cthulhu"

Ieldra could probably tell you more. He's been reading books longer than I've been alive.

You wish to retain the mystery of the Reapers while including the Leviathans. I'll be interested in seeing what you come up with.

Modifié par Taboo-XX, 08 septembre 2012 - 07:05 .

[LanceSolous13]

Not including the Leviathans. Including the plot of Leviathan (The DLC).

Those guys really need a better name...

[David7204]

So how are the Reapers defeated in this rewrite?

[LanceSolous13]

David7204 wrote...

So how are the Reapers defeated in this rewrite?

Conventionally as the other two games make it out to be. Everyone uniting despite their differences to defeat a common enemy.

I'm still working out how the final battle will go.

[David7204]

I'm not really sure what you mean by "as the other two games make it out to be."

[LanceSolous13]

Nothing in ME1 or ME2 suggests the Reapers cannot be beaten conventionally. Its not until ME3 where we hear "You and I both know we can't win conventionally".

Vigil states that the reason Sovrign didn't reveal himself and directly take over the Citadel was because everyone would unite to defeat the Reapers and they would lose.

Mass Effect 2 has a Multispecies and multibackground crew coming together to defeat a common enemy; The Collectors. ME3 should have been that on a much larger scale, with entire races rather than single persons.

Neither of the previous games ever give a hint of the Reapers being impossible to beat. In fact, we have a considerable advantage as the Reapers previously started the invasion by taking the Citadel, wiping out the govenmnet, and then closing the Mass Relays to take each Galaxy, one by one. Obviously, they can't do that this time around.

[David7204]

Right. Three things.

First of all, for the most part I agree. Conventional victory can get you 99.9999% of the way there. And should have. But something right at the end needs to tip the scales. So give that some thought.

Second of all, remember that only applies to a Shepard who did everything right. Obviously conventional victory wouldn't be possible if Shepard is a screw up.

Thirdly, whatever other faults the Crucible had, it gave the allied forces and the player goal a to work towards and a distinctive plan throughout ME 3. Without that, a lot of the missions might have just felt like a scraping-by day-to-day survival rather than a war effort.

[LanceSolous13]

Going down the list...

I have. I've considered Harbinger acting almost like a Consencus for the Reapers; focusing the thousands of thoughts together (Explains why the Geth view them as the apex of evolution). Shepard takes out Harbinger from the inside (Always wanted to know what they look like inside) and the Reapers become disorganized and stunned. Obviously, needs foreshadowing and to be fleashed out a lot more but I think its certainly a start.

Shepard, in my story at least, is Paragade. He'll have some Renegade moments but takes the Paragon choice for the most part. I'm not writing a script, but a story. If and when a choice comes up, I'll probably write in the margins what the other option was.

Uniting everyone together and building the greatest Galactic Force ever isn't enough?

[Ieldra]

Pfft. I hate this "conventional victory" crap. Total BS. Watch the ending of ME1 and how a combined fleet was barely enough to beat ONE Reaper, and tell me again a conventional victory is possible. How anyone can come to this "conclusion" beggars comprehension. Pure wishful thinking. That it's not possible is the main thing I took away from ME1, and I spend the whole time between ME1 and ME3 wondering how the hell they'll win in the end.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 08 septembre 2012 - 08:04 .

[LanceSolous13]

Bioware has stated that Sovrign was overpowered in Mass Effect 1 due to a lack of communication between the writers and the CGI Animators.

EDIT: How the hell else are we supposed to win? There isn't exactly any other option. Hence why the Crucible is such a plot hole/Ass pull.

Modifié par LanceSolous13, 08 septembre 2012 - 08:10 .