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[Ieldra]

Rathias0114 wrote...

I, personally, chose destroy because humanity's fate should be left to humanity. If we let synthetics get out of control and overwhelm/wipe us out of existence. Then so be it, that is the circle of life and we weren't meant to continue.. but that should be on our own terms, not the terms of a construct made millions of years ago by an ancient species who is left hiding in the depths of oceans.

Much like Taboo's reasoning.

Yes, I think that's the philosophical underpinning of Destroy. I've outlined my take on that and the other endings in this post. It's also one reason why I'm opposed to it. I usually don't give a **** about what's "meant to" be, but would rather grab fate and twist it until it provides a bright future, and if that requires me to embrace the unknown and initiate some all-encompassing change, then so be it.

[lillitheris]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Yes, I think that's the philosophical underpinning of Destroy.

No, it’s not.

[lillitheris]

kaymarierose wrote...

I don't believe that by choosing H-EMS refuse (should the option be available)  is "dooming" anyone. I think its showing faith that we can win this war on our own, which we seem to be doing a hell-of-a job without the crucible.

I disagree. Shepard knows the Reapers will win. There is not a shadow of a doubt—especially with the bulk of the fleets being decimated just outside the window.

Edit: just to clarify, if you want to headcanon something else, that’s cool. It’s just that the game we got—not the game you might have wished for—makes it perfectly clear that the war will be lost, and that everyone knows this to be the case.

Modifié par lillitheris, 10 septembre 2012 - 10:05 .

[Steelcan]

lillitheris wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Yes, I think that's the philosophical underpinning of Destroy.

No, it’s not.

. Then what is?

[Steelcan]

I agree with taboo on destroy's merits over the other endings

[Ieldra]

krukow wrote...
except the doctors in the dossier don't say she needs an operation, they say she can't have kids.

I know we're all geniuses about everything on the internet, but I think fake doctors would know more about a fake medical condition than we would.

If the writers meant to make Miranda's condition canonically irreversible, they should've used a condition less easily removed than a "benign neoplasm", one that could reasonably said to be intractable even with late 22nd century medicine. Such as eezo exposure damaging her eggs or suchlike. Even that should be circumventable, but at least it would prevent a natural pregnancy. (@Taboo: benign tumors are benign exactly because they do not damage neighboring tissue).

And don't get me started on Miranda's own medical expertise that brought Shepard back from the dead. The whole infertility thing is a half-assed attempt at garnering sympathy and to make her genetic engineering look bad, and the writers violated the consistency of their world for cheap drama and reactionary bio-conservatism. The depth of the loathing I have for this ploy can't be expressed in words.

I'm not particularly fond of those cheesy "happy family" futures, but in general, headcanons where Miranda has children are completely valid.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 10 septembre 2012 - 10:39 .

[Steelcan]

krukow wrote...

...it's not head canon. It's actual canon.

It's what's said IN-GAME. I mean, call it stupid or change it in you mind, but it's the author's intent. Miranda is supposed to be sterile.

. Once again I'm with Krukow on this.  The Shadow Broker 's files say she is sterile.  I think he knows what he is doing so this information is accurate.  She cannot have children.

[Ieldra]

Steelcan wrote...

krukow wrote...

...it's not head canon. It's actual canon.

It's what's said IN-GAME. I mean, call it stupid or change it in you mind, but it's the author's intent. Miranda is supposed to be sterile.

. Once again I'm with Krukow on this.  The Shadow Broker 's files say she is sterile.  I think he knows what he is doing so this information is accurate.  She cannot have children.

Well, we can either retcon the cause of the condition, because that's just silly, and stick with Miranda being unable to conceive *naturally*, or retcon the irreversability of the condition. You can't have both. And even in the latter case, creating children ex utero from Shepard's and Miranda's genetic material, children that would be genetically indistinguishable from those naturally conveiced, is *always* possible given the technology of the ME universe.

If the writers can't be bothered to create an infertility scenario that works within the setting, I don't feel required to accept their "intent" as canonical.

Edit:
You can use the same reasoning to reject the Synthesis ending, and I'd be in full agreement that it's a 100% valid reason. Just to say I'm not hypocritical about this. I just choose it in spite of that.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 10 septembre 2012 - 10:49 .

[Steelcan]

Ieldra2 wrote...
Well, we can either retcon the cause of the condition, because that's just silly, and stick with Miranda being unable to conceive *naturally*, or retcon the irreversability of the condition. You can't have both. And even in the latter case, creating children ex utero from Shepard's and Miranda's genetic material, children that would be genetically indistinguishable from those naturally conveiced, is *always* possible given the technology of the ME universe.

If the writers can't be bothered to create an infertility scenario that works within the setting, I don't feel required to accept their "intent" as canonical.

. I doubt they understood what the condition, they wrote her to have, actually does.  But I think it is intended to be canonical

[Babi_Siha]

Steelcan wrote...

Once again I'm with Krukow on this.  The Shadow Broker 's files say she is sterile.  I think he knows what he is doing so this information is accurate.  She cannot have children.

Yes, she can. Even if she can't conceive, Miranda herself was likely created in an artificial uterus. No reason she couldn't use her and Shepard's DNA and create a child of their own.

[Lawrence0294]

Skullheart wrote...

Ok topic of discussion.

Let's say Miranda encounters Jacob before priority Earth. How would she react to Jacob deciding to be a family man?

Nothing really special i guess. She would be happy for him of course.

But if you were a Femshep and she finds out that he cheated on her.

I think she would be repulsed, especially since his excuse is 

"did you really think i was going to wait forever"

[Arslanof]

DLC With Miranda Lawson including possibility to invite her
to normandy adding relationship, would be very useful.

[Stalker]

Steelcan wrote...

krukow wrote...

...it's not head canon. It's actual canon.

It's what's said IN-GAME. I mean, call it stupid or change it in you mind, but it's the author's intent. Miranda is supposed to be sterile.

. Once again I'm with Krukow on this.  The Shadow Broker 's files say she is sterile.  I think he knows what he is doing so this information is accurate.  She cannot have children.

This is the universe where you can bring back people who fell from orbit and create babies from only one DNA... It's not too far fetched that an operation to remove the tumor is possible or that there are tons of other options for natural birth. 

That she has that tumor may be canon, she can't have kids right now.
But if it is ever healed is up to head-canon.

[Lawrence0294]

Arslanof wrote...

DLC With Miranda Lawson including possibility to invite her
to normandy adding relationship, would be very useful.

I think most people here will agree 

[wright1978]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

krukow wrote...

...it's not head canon. It's actual canon.

It's what's said IN-GAME. I mean, call it stupid or change it in you mind, but it's the author's intent. Miranda is supposed to be sterile.

. Once again I'm with Krukow on this.  The Shadow Broker 's files say she is sterile.  I think he knows what he is doing so this information is accurate.  She cannot have children.

Well, we can either retcon the cause of the condition, because that's just silly, and stick with Miranda being unable to conceive *naturally*, or retcon the irreversability of the condition. You can't have both. And even in the latter case, creating children ex utero from Shepard's and Miranda's genetic material, children that would be genetically indistinguishable from those naturally conveiced, is *always* possible given the technology of the ME universe.

If the writers can't be bothered to create an infertility scenario that works within the setting, I don't feel required to accept their "intent" as canonical.

Edit:
You can use the same reasoning to reject the Synthesis ending, and I'd be in full agreement that it's a 100% valid reason. Just to say I'm not hypocritical about this. I just choose it in spite of that.

Yep utterly non-sensical and utterly get roundable.

[Steelcan]

kratos0294 wrote...

Arslanof wrote...

DLC With Miranda Lawson including possibility to invite her
to normandy adding relationship, would be very useful.

I think most people here will agree 

. That's o e of the groups actual goals.  When we are not extremely off topic

[flemm]

Arslanof wrote...

DLC With Miranda Lawson including possibility to invite her
to normandy adding relationship, would be very useful.

I'm sold!

[Lawrence0294]

flemm wrote...

Arslanof wrote...

DLC With Miranda Lawson including possibility to invite her
to normandy adding relationship, would be very useful.

I'm sold!

Who isn't 

[Skullheart]

My walletis ready for that.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Skullheart wrote...

My walletis ready for that.

[Steelcan]

We are waiting Bioware

[hot_heart]

In the immortal and wise words of one Miss Lawson...

"YES!"

[Lawrence0294]

Skullheart wrote...

My walletis ready for that.

Btw Skullheart, i always wondered, what anime is your avatar from ?

[Skullheart]

kratos0294 wrote...

Skullheart wrote...

My walletis ready for that.

Btw Skullheart, i always wondered, what anime is your avatar from ?

Char Aznable, from Mobile Suit Gundam. Actually it isn't from an animated series,it's from a manga, Char's Deleted Affair.

[fiendishchicken]

lillitheris wrote...

kaymarierose wrote...

I don't believe that by choosing H-EMS refuse (should the option be available)  is "dooming" anyone. I think its showing faith that we can win this war on our own, which we seem to be doing a hell-of-a job without the crucible.

I disagree. Shepard knows the Reapers will win. There is not a shadow of a doubt—especially with the bulk of the fleets being decimated just outside the window.

Edit: just to clarify, if you want to headcanon something else, that’s cool. It’s just that the game we got—not the game you might have wished for—makes it perfectly clear that the war will be lost, and that everyone knows this to be the case.

We should be able to win, in theory. Bioware won't let us win because art.

And if the fleets are being decimated, they should be just fine (winning in fact), unless the fleet gets decimated every 5 minutes or so. I don't think that was the case though.

If you meant getting annihilated, maybe.