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"I'll always want you in my life." Miranda Lawson in Mass Effect 3


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o Ventus wrote...

Well, I never said it's impossible, it's just pants-on-head retarded and an obvious attempt to appear smarter than one really is. It's Star Trek levels of technobabble.


The Reaper weapon nicknamed "Blackstar" is so advanced that Alliance scientists can only offer speculation about how it works. The gun appears to exploit an element zero core and mass effect fields to fire gravitational singularities - micro black holes - that revert to their natural lethality when they impact a solid object. Researchers theorize that the blast tears apart the strong nuclear forces that hold the target's atoms together, resulting in a localized fusion reaction in light atoms and a fission reaction in heavy atoms. If that hypothesis is correct, the weapon alters nuclei, thus changing the chemical composition of the target. It destroys organic tissue, corrodes surviving armor, and leaves a visible trail of light-emitting particles.


Strong nuclear forces are indeed what holds atoms together, but when they're disrupted (usually in a particle accelerator like the LHC) there's a release of light and thermal energy but no fusion or fission reaction. So the Blackstar would pretty much cause targets within it's area of effect to disintigrate into a cloud of subatomic particles.

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First off, the Reaper Blackstar initiates a fusion reaction in light atoms and a fission reaction in heavy atoms. What is the threshold between a light and heavy atom? So it would bond hydrogen but, at the same time, destroys platinum atoms? What kind of energy is capable of doing both of these at the same time?

It destroys a target by changing the chemical composition of objects. Well, cooking food can change the chemical composition in objects, but the hotpocket I put into my microwave doesn't come out a chocolate cake.

 

Light atoms have a low atomic mass. Elements like Oxygen, Hydrogen, Helium, etc are considered to be light atoms. Heavy atoms would be elements like Uranium, Gold, Platinum, etc.

The threshold defining what a heavy atom is and what a light atom is is called the Iron Peak. Any atom that comes before iron on the periodic table will release energy when it undergoes nuclear fusion. Any atom that comes after iron on the periodic table will consume energy when it undergoes nuclear fusion. For these "heavy" atoms the only way to release their nuclear energy is by a fission reaction. 

As for changing the chemical composition of objects caught in the Blackstar's area of effect that part's not entirely wrong. Fission reactions work off of the concept of radioactive decay certain isotopes of elements such as Uranium are structually unstable and over time start to fall apart. When these elements decay they throw off subatomic particles like protons and neutrons. When an atom starts to lose protons it changes into a different element, this process is called nuclear transmutation and it most commonly occurs in fission reactions. While changing the elements in a compound would cause the chemical composion of an object  it can take anywhere from a few hours to a few centuries for an atom to transmute into another element. So the Blackstar suddenly causing the chemical composition of an object to change is pure fiction.

Pretty much the Blackstar codex entry is trying to use too much hard science to explain how a black hole gun works. Anyway, back to Miranda:

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Modifié par Dr. Doctor, 16 septembre 2012 - 05:36 .


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If Miranda got a name drop in the Omega DLC would that excite you?

Best not to get my hopes up but I wish Bioware would throw me a bone for once.

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i would giggle personally .

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Taboo-XX wrote...

If Miranda got a name drop in the Omega DLC would that excite you?

Best not to get my hopes up but I wish Bioware would throw me a bone for once.


Anything Miranda related in a DLC would give me a happy face. Something like this:

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Taboo-XX wrote...

If Miranda got a name drop in the Omega DLC would that excite you?

Best not to get my hopes up but I wish Bioware would throw me a bone for once.


Probably not.

Because it's a DLC (and knowing Bioware's recent track record with DLC's, not to mention Miranda's status as a background character now) I just can't envision anything worthwhile for Miranda. Nothing too huge, anyway. Shepard is still going to be the one who saves the day, acquires the war assets, and storms the castle.

I would only be "happy" is Miranda were to be a squadmate in the DLC, storming the castle alongside Shepard.

Modifié par o Ventus, 16 septembre 2012 - 05:41 .


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I would as well.

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o Ventus wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

If Miranda got a name drop in the Omega DLC would that excite you?

Best not to get my hopes up but I wish Bioware would throw me a bone for once.


Probably not.

Because it's a DLC (and knowing Bioware's recent track record with DLC's, not to mention Miranda's status as a background character now) I just can't envision anything worthwhile for Miranda. Nothing too huge, anyway. Shepard is still going to be the one who saves the day, acquires the war assets, and storms the castle.

I would only be "happy" is Miranda were to be a squadmate in the DLC, storming the castle alongside Shepard.


My hope is for one last mission with Miranda; but I agree with you, unfortunately. No offense, of course.

I'll keep crusading for Miranda DLC (and anything involving her at all), but it seems like a losing fight.

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I did say why. Your complaints aren't valid. Including this one.

I think we've discussed the semantics of "light" and "heavy" enough. Any physicist or chemist would be perfectly comfortable and clear with a reference to heavy and light elements. There really isn't much more to say.

And as for the particles being "sucked in," no, they wouldn't be. Firstly, because the black holes would almost certainly collapse before the reaction is complete anyway. Secondly, even if that wasn't true, any force the black holes emit is going to drop off sharply with radius, and very few particles are going to be close enough to be significantly affected.

Modifié par David7204, 16 septembre 2012 - 05:45 .


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ROFL @ that GIF.

I'll survive with her in her current state. Others won't.

As for screen time I suppose I could head canon something interesting.

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David7204 wrote...

Secondly, even if that wasn't true, any force the black holes emit is going to drop off sharply with radius, and very few particles are going to be close enough to be significantly affected. 


Aside from Shepard. And the enemies that the shot is fired toward. And the immediate surrounding area.

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That's caused by the nuclear reactions. Not the "black holes" themselves.

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David7204 wrote...

That's caused by the nuclear reactions. Not the "black holes" themselves.


Then what function is the black hole serving? Just sitting there, looking pretty?

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ROFL @ that GIF.

I'll survive with her in her current state. Others won't.

As for screen time I suppose I could head canon something interesting.


That's me.

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The "black holes" disrupt the atoms, which in turn causes nuclear reactions, which in turn causes damage.

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I'LL SEND AN SOS TO THE WORLD DAWG.

But in all seriousness. I had no issues with any of it until I came here.

Okay I did but not as severe as some peoples here. I feel bad for them.

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@o Ventus

you are probably right about miranda , but will keep holding out hope, i mean as it is it is somewhat ok,. but always want more


@Taboo-XX

you know i was doing jsut fine without that song stuck in my head

Modifié par ghost9191, 16 septembre 2012 - 05:52 .


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Well if the rumors are true Aria will be a fling in the new Omega DLC.

At least it isn't Allers.

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David7204 wrote...

The "black holes" disrupt the atoms, which in turn causes nuclear reactions, which in turn causes damage.


Going from the codex entry, the black hole and whatever-the-f**k else happens appear to be treated as two seperate occurences, knowing how black holes are actually formed.

Modifié par o Ventus, 16 septembre 2012 - 06:01 .


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Taboo-XX wrote...

Well if the rumors are true Aria will be a fling in the new Omega DLC.

At least it isn't Allers
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you know if they did that, as in add a little part for her, like have her following your shep around. and expand on her romance, not sure how i would react to bioware

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ghost9191 wrote...

you know if they did that, as in add a little part for her, like have her following your shep around. and expand on her romance, not sure how i would react to bioware


Bioware employee #1: Welp, we have at least 3 characters (Miranda, Jack, Aria) who would seriously benefit from some development in this DLC. Any ideas on who we should focus on?

Bioware employee #2: What about Diana Allers? I mean, she had like, no screen time at all in the core game...

BWE1: My God... It's so clever! 

Modifié par o Ventus, 16 septembre 2012 - 06:07 .


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Any other complaints, Ventus? Or can we all go ahead and admit that while this weapon is certainly futuristic, it isn't "real scientific stupid."

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@o Ventus

while that is funny, i doubt her being in the dlc would be lol

that did make me LoL though:D

Modifié par ghost9191, 16 septembre 2012 - 06:07 .


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David7204 wrote...

Any other complaints, Ventus? Or can we all go ahead and admit that while this weapon is certainly futuristic, it isn't "real scientific stupid."

. No it is techno babble that in rel life makes no sense

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Taboo-XX wrote...

Well if the rumors are true Aria will be a fling in the new Omega DLC.

At least it isn't Allers.

. If Allers is expanded on and other much more important characters aren't.:sick:

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Steelcan wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Any other complaints, Ventus? Or can we all go ahead and admit that while this weapon is certainly futuristic, it isn't "real scientific stupid."

. No it is techno babble that in rel life makes no sense


Why don't you read the last couple of pages. I think you'll get the gist of things.