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[Lee337]

Yannkee wrote...

Lee337 wrote...

Sheps not a babysitter either yet he helps each squadmate with thier missions, because it helps get them focused on the task. It wouldn't take a lot for her to simply say that although she wasn't part of that operation, it was wrong just to calm her down and get her focused. Instead of her being angry and reckless. I wouldn't want the pissed off Jack watching my back or anyone on the squad. Keeping focused and calming her down would help a lot, so it isn't if shes a baby sitter or whatever. It's doing whats best for the mission and pissing either of them off doesn't help anyone.

It helps my Shepard and Miranda to feel better.
And there is a difference between helping squadmates, and babysitting.
My only regret is that we don't have the opportunity to leave Purgatory without her. To me, what is best for the mission is to not recruit someone like Jack.

I'm not going further,  don't want to bash a character here.

Agree that I'd rather not recruit her at all. You keep seeing babysitting but she spends most of her time below alone. One conversation doesn't make it babysitting. And regardless, a good leader puts personal feelings aside and does what is needed, even if it is helping Jack.

[Melra]

Also a good leader knows when someone is a lost cause.

[Caihn]

Lee337 wrote...

And regardless, a good leader puts personal feelings aside and does what is needed, even if it is helping Jack.

A good leader also knows to let pity aside when someone threatens the life of an another squadmate and put the mission in danger.
I will never support her personal vendetta against every person who have a Cerberus logo on his chest. Even if I don't like Cerberus.

Modifié par Yannkee, 06 août 2011 - 08:09 .

[Lee337]

Doesn't matter if she's a lost cause or not, she's staying on the team so it's irrelevant.
And yes, Shep should come down hard on Jack for losing it but Miranda shouldn't have let it get to that. And Shep still shouldn't side with either because of personal preference, at least not in front of them. If he sides with Miranda, say so later in private but theres no need to provoke her futher especially in front of Miranda,

[Melra]

She's staying just for the sake of gameplay, so it's not irrelevant. You can't control a cannon ball, you can only try to point it into right direction, which in my case is nice cup of self-destruct.

[Caihn]

Lee337 wrote...

Doesn't matter if she's a lost cause or not, she's staying on the team so it's irrelevant.
And yes, Shep should come down hard on Jack for losing it but Miranda shouldn't have let it get to that. And Shep still shouldn't side with either because of personal preference, at least not in front of them. If he sides with Miranda, say so later in private but theres no need to provoke her futher especially in front of Miranda,

It doesn't work like this : it's exactly the opposite.
Never criticize someone in front of his/her subordonates : it's the best way to make this person lose respect from them.
Shepard has the right to say what he thinks of Jack in front of his XO (even if it pisses Jack off).

Modifié par Yannkee, 06 août 2011 - 08:28 .

[Lee337]

I have no idea what you just tried to say Yannkee, since you disagreed and then as far as I can make out just repeated what I said.

[Jynxd_WOlf]

I think the real reason everyone loves Miri is because she's one of the only characters who can rival Shepard's cunning, athletism, and much much more. People see her as a person who won't walk behind them but keep them on top of their game and wanting to keep pushing forward.

[LuxDragon]

Ieldra2 wrote...

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...
Hypothetically, if we weren't there on time, would Miri have "smeared the wall" with jack? I believe so.

Definitely not. Miranda is not nearly Jack's equal in raw biotic power. She'd only have a chance in a protracted fight, where Miranda's superior control could win the day in the end - assuming that Jack didn't kill her in her first "charge".

Or engage in hand-to-hand combat. A quick biotic attack to distract and close the distance. Bam.

I'm sure Jack is scrappy, but she comes off as a biotic brawler. Throw a few punches to inflict some personal, physical pain for resorting to her biotics.

Miranda is most likely trained and physically superior (in many ways ) and while not as powerful as Jack, she's probably more diciplined. She'll know she can't match in power, but in everything else...

@Wolf:

Yeah. I like that about her. Among other things. Complexity always intrigues me.

Modifié par LuxDragon, 06 août 2011 - 08:47 .

[Arijharn]

So Lux, when is Miranda and Shep going to pounce on each other again?

[LuxDragon]

Chapter after this one or the one after. Near NC-17 this time. I'm going to earn the M rating.

[Caihn]

Lee337 wrote...

I have no idea what you just tried to say Yannkee, since you disagreed and then as far as I can make out just repeated what I said.

Criticize your second in command in front of subordinates is the last thing to do if you want to keep your chain in command intact. On the opposite, a commander who criticize a subordinate in front of superiors is something usual and normal, it's how chain of command works, if Jack don't like this, she can leave the ship.
If you don't want to pick a side, it's your choice. Personally, I don't consider this solution the best one : it's only putting off the evil hour.

Ok enough of Jack ... back to Miranda.

Modifié par Yannkee, 06 août 2011 - 09:35 .

[True Zarken]

We're still talking about Jack and Miranda among other things? Okay.

I'll just watch and pop in when I can think of something to say.

EDIT: Good picture. Need it at a resolution of 2560x1440 though. Actually anyone know a good program to take screenshots with? I've gotten a few HD textures thanks to JeanLuc's hard work and I might do a bunch of screenshots of Miri and Shepard when Uni assignments die down.

Modifié par True Zarken, 06 août 2011 - 09:41 .

[Ieldra]

Jynxd_WOlf wrote...
I think the real reason everyone loves Miri is because she's one of the only characters who can rival Shepard's cunning, athletism, and much much more. People see her as a person who won't walk behind them but keep them on top of their game and wanting to keep pushing forward.

Absolutely. See entry one of the wishlist in the OP: We want her to walk at Shepard's side instead of just following. The romance isn't exactly the best in that regard (though still better than the other two), but I hope ME3 will do it better.

(And while she hasn't got Shepard's raw strength and not his charisma, given the way Shepard is presented in the games, I think we can safely say she's smarter than him)

Modifié par Ieldra2, 06 août 2011 - 09:48 .

[Caihn]

True Zarken wrote...

We're still talking about Jack and Miranda among other things? Okay.

I'll just watch and pop in when I can think of something to say.

EDIT: Good picture. Need it at a resolution of 2560x1440 though. Actually anyone know a good program to take screenshots with? I've gotten a few HD textures thanks to JeanLuc's hard work and I might do a bunch of screenshots of Miri and Shepard when Uni assignments die down.

I use fraps.

[True Zarken]

I completely forgot about Fraps. Cheers.

[Ieldra]

Yet another Miranda picture from the SM:

[Arijharn]

Ieldra2 wrote...
(And while she hasn't got Shepard's raw strength and not his charisma, given the way Shepard is presented in the games, I think we can safely say she's smarter than him)

Hmm, in sheer intellectual capacity I think Miranda crushes Shephard, but in terms of wisdom or even 'low animal cunning' I think Shephard is superior. I think Miranda would attempt to apply critical thinking to occurences perhaps, whereas Shephard just intuitively makes (correct) decisions.

[True Zarken]

Nice pic Ieldra2

I guess this a topic that I guess you've all discussed quite extensively but; What did everyone think about the Miranda Armour from the second appearance pack?

Personally I am very indifferent about it. I haven't really formed a strong opinion about it. But to me mostly it doesn't seem quite right. Hmm but hey that's just me.

[Ieldra]

True Zarken wrote...
I guess this a topic that I guess you've all discussed quite extensively but; What did everyone think about the Miranda Armour from the second appearance pack?

That's easy. Those of us who find Miranda's original outfits oversexualized to the point of being insulting generally appreciate the armor, while those who are fine with her original outfits don't care much for the armor.

For me it was a *huge* relief when the armor came out, for now I could dress Miranda in something appropriate for combat. I find that Miranda's catsuits are a bad joke when used for combat, and even as civilian outfits they don't look as classy as would befit her, instead going for the cheap thrill. Enyala has it exactly right with her comment about the white one. However, the armor's artistic merit is debatable.

BTW, I think this is largely the fault of the modelling. In the Mass Effect Redemption 4 cover, the white catsuit is very much OK as a civilian outfit, while still very sexy. I'd say way more sexy than the in-game version (though I should add that I don't like outfits that look like they're painted on the skin):

Modifié par Ieldra2, 06 août 2011 - 02:11 .

[Caihn]

True Zarken wrote...

Nice pic Ieldra2

I guess this a topic that I guess you've all discussed quite extensively but; What did everyone think about the Miranda Armour from the second appearance pack?

Personally I am very indifferent about it. I haven't really formed a strong opinion about it. But to me mostly it doesn't seem quite right. Hmm but hey that's just me. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/tongue.png[/smilie]

I don't like hate it. (the only DLC I didn't buy)

I have no problem with Miranda's catsuits (except the white one I find ugly). I would have been ok with a light armor like the ME1 Asari commando one, but not this crapy bulky armor. And there is also the visor ... 

I prefer biotics who rely on shields and agility, not on plate armors like soldiers.
And I also find that the catsuits fits more to her character ... but it's an another debate.
If they give an armor like this for Miranda in ME3, I hope it will be optional.

Modifié par Yannkee, 06 août 2011 - 02:12 .

[Arijharn]

While I like that she's wearing armour, to me it looks just a little too bulky for her body. I mean, not even Ashley's armour in ME1 was all that bulky, even the sick ass Colossus armour.

[jtav]

We've discussed it. We've had flame wars about it. I like it because it's appropriate for combat and actually manages to look sexier. I don't use it much, though, because I use the hi-res mod and the difference in quality is noticeable.

Shep gives me the impression of average intelligence, no subtlety and minimal strategic ability. His default MO is to bludgeon through everything, with either force or charisma. Exactly my least favorite type of hero.

[Ieldra]

Yannkee wrote...
I would have been ok with a light armor like the ME1 Asari commando one

I have some hope we'll get something more like that in ME3. Though I hope they won't go about it like with Ashley - the armor they gave her had textures that made it look like armored underwear.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
Shep gives me the impression of average intelligence, no subtlety and minimal strategic ability. His default MO is to bludgeon through everything, with either force or charisma. Exactly my least favorite type of hero.

Yeah. Why couldn't they give us options for intelligent responses? It's hugely annoying to have to make so many mental twists and knots in order to even imagine my Shepard as reasonably smart.

I've just finished Alpha Protocol. After that, I find it hard to get back into Shepard.