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[Taboo]

No dawg that's Roger Waters. And you're quoting Dean Martin.

Modifié par Taboo-XX, 18 septembre 2012 - 05:09 .

[krukow]

BringBackNihlus wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

No dawg that's Roger Waters. And you're quoting Dean Martin.

I know who I'm quoting.

Rat Pack > Pink Floyd dawg.

You're wrong and you're a bad person and you should feel bad.

the wall is amazing and makes me wish I could go on drugs and lose my mind.

I'd probably romance tali...

[Taboo]

You're both wrong. That's from a solo album from Waters not Pink Floyd.

[krukow]

Well screw you taboo, Miranda cheated on you because she wants a baby and you can't give it to her.

[Taboo]

What is this I don't even. Have you brought the IC into focus again?

Now I feel bad.

The poor dear.

[Taboo]

No I'll just remain vague here.

It hits me in the feels though.

Struggle with what I mean and maybe I'll tell you in PM.

[ghost9191]

[Taboo]

I'm going to bed and I don't want to talk about it here. If you send me a PM because you really want to know I'll answer you tomorrow.

I promise.

[enayasoul]

Why do you think Miranda is not as open about what she's doing? For example, ME3, Apartment scene? She'd rather leave then tell Shepard what and why she needed those resources.

All I can think of is that she doesn't want to worry Shepard. She wants to do it herself... or she hasn't really abandoned her feelings towards Cerberus or the one she use to know. She's working with ex-Cerberus operatives. I always wondered if she knew Jacob's girlfriend's cell and working with them...

[ghost9191]

@enayasoul

figured something along those lines. she just feels it is something she needs to do herself, and if she told shepard he would want to help her

[t3HPrO]

I love this comic.

[Ieldra]

enayasoul wrote...
Why do you think Miranda is not as open about what she's doing? For example, ME3, Apartment scene? She'd rather leave then tell Shepard what and why she needed those resources.

All I can think of is that she doesn't want to worry Shepard. She wants to do it herself... or she hasn't really abandoned her feelings towards Cerberus or the one she use to know. She's working with ex-Cerberus operatives. I always wondered if she knew Jacob's girlfriend's cell and working with them...

Shepard is an Alliance soldier. If she told him what she was doing he might feel obligated to tell his superiors about it, and she might have ex-Cerberus contacts she wants to protect.

Of course that's all speculation. I doubt the writers thought long and hard about this.

[lillitheris]

enayasoul wrote...

Why do you think Miranda is not as open about what she's doing? For example, ME3, Apartment scene? She'd rather leave then tell Shepard what and why she needed those resources.

Because of poor writing. However,

All I can think of is that she doesn't want to worry Shepard. She wants to do it herself... or she hasn't really abandoned her feelings towards Cerberus or the one she use to know. She's working with ex-Cerberus operatives. I always wondered if she knew Jacob's girlfriend's cell and working with them...

If you wish to explain it as it appears, either of these seems reasonable.

[Ieldra]

KyleR92 wrote...

krukow wrote...

But slap fights in the miri thread are the best thing ever!

Quick, somebody ask if the shadowbroker dossier means Miranda cheated on Shep!

Ooooh, or point out how the line on the collector base (it seems like a betrayal) is the line that redeems her ME2 character!!

I Haven't heard people argue about the collector base thing, What is peoples problem with that?

I'll explain the controversy:

If, in the conversation with TIM at the Collector base, you select "this is an abomination" (Paragon response) in the first conversation node, you'll trigger an exchange between Miranda and TIM where she says "Seeing it first-hand, using anything from this base seems like a betrayal".

I and some others maintain that this line is out of character, since Miranda has never before shown any consideration for the notions of the sacred that underly a statement like this. If she recommends not keeping the base, she would do it for more tangible risks like "It's too dangerous" or "I know what the Illusive Man will do with it and that's going too far".

The point is that for any rational application of morality, keeping the base and studying it as such is not in any way objectionable. What was done there is done, and you don't punish places for what was done there. Miranda might feel bad about keeping it, but she wouldn't recommend destroying a potentially valuable strategic resource in a war for survival because of mere sentimentality.

Of course this is all water under the bridge now, since ME3 is out. The conflict was more virulent back when we still thought we could influence what the writers would do with her. Well, that was delusional as it turned out, even those who like her ME3 content say she's incomplete.

[lillitheris]

Ieldra2 wrote...

The point is that for any rational application of morality, keeping the base and studying it as such is not in any way objectionable.

And some of us feel this is an inaccurate statement, leading to an irreconcilable conflict.

[Ieldra]

KyleR92 wrote...

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...
Ok, some of you are saying ridiculous bull**** about Miri and it's pissing me off. I know what you are going to say about my comments, but don't even bother, because at least don't state false crap like Miri having sex with other characters

She at the very least has a cannon relationship with Jacob. From the dossier you can infer that she is into casual sex. I don't see why you would have such a problem with this though. One of the greatest draws to Miranda as a character is the fact that she is a strong, assertive, independant etc etc woman and part of that is being unapolgetically sexual without conforming to our sexist societys idea that its OK for men to have casual sex but not women. Miranda is a human (maybe transhuman but thats debatable) and that means that she is going to have sexual desires but that doesnt detract at all from her character or her relationship with Shepard.

Well said. And don't listen to krukow, he's a fundamentalist. The LotSB dossier is inconclusive. It's only suggestive. And what she reads is not "housekeeping", but a magazine for seductive fashion, which would appear rather appropriate given that she's going into a romance with Shepard. Also it might be a shout-out to her appearance in the engine room scene. The only part that makes it annoying is that she unsubscribes a science journal at the same time. 

As for her narrow focus on Oriana in ME3, it is now rather apparent that wasn't how it was supposed to come across. We got the e-mail we get some time after Sanctuary, and her writer has admitted that his writing could have been better. I still don't understand what made them keep her out of the Cerberus HQ mission, but that was a high-level decision we can't exactly blame her writer for.

[Ieldra]

BringBackNihlus wrote...

lillitheris wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

The point is that for any rational application of morality, keeping the base and studying it as such is not in any way objectionable.

And some of us feel this is an inaccurate statement, leading to an irreconcilable conflict.

Ahhhh.

I see what Taboo was talking about now. Interesting.

I wonder how many of those who feel (!!!) this is an inaccurate statement have no problem with Mordin's use of Maelon's research to cure the genophage...

BTW: interesting to see how lillitheris's statement proves my point

Modifié par Ieldra2, 18 septembre 2012 - 08:40 .

[Ieldra]

BringBackNihlus wrote...

KyleR92 wrote...

Is it actually insinuated that Miranda has slept with TIM? Or is that just speculation? I Know they heavily suggest Jacob in both the comics and a little bit in game but besides that and the shadow broker dossier not much else is said.

Also, when Miranda hooks up with the guy from the dating site (Shadow broker dossier) is that while she is serving on the Normandy or before? If it is while she on the Normandy are you guys okay with that?

No, it isn't. It's just some mess Ghost uses to troll on people. Jacob is canon. Jacob talks about it in ME2. Didn't seem to last long, though.

As for the guy on the dating site, I don't think it's ever made clear if it happened pre-Normandy or not. I'd imagine beforehand.

Also, I don't think she hooked up with him anyways. IIRC, she cut the chat off.

She tells him a meeting place. I would tentatively conclude the meeting took place.

[Ieldra]

[quote]Steelcan wrote...
So who did you all romance in ME?[/quote]
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I replayed my main Shepard to romance no one in ME1. When I played him through ME1 first, I didn't have his characterization in my mind as I do no. And now, Ashley's not a fitting LI for him, they'd never get along. As for my other Shepards, it varies. I even have one femShep who romanced Liara (don't shoot me).

Modifié par Ieldra2, 18 septembre 2012 - 09:04 .