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[Steelcan]

To get back on topic... Which side would Miranda pick if peace was not possible, Quarians or Geth? I think quarians

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
Destroy. Promise broken.

I don't understand....

[Terrorize69]

Steelcan wrote...

To get back on topic... Which side would Miranda pick if peace was not possible, Quarians or Geth? I think quarians

Well Miranda is pro-human, and the Geth "did" pose a threat to humanity, so I think she'd side with the Quarians.

[katcrave]

Steelcan wrote...

To get back on topic... Which side would Miranda pick if peace was not possible, Quarians or Geth? I think quarians

I agree.

And if I were not able to make peace, I'd choose the Quarians as well. Not because I think the Geth are 'wrong' but more because I see the geth-quarian conflict as fairly ambiguous and prefer to err on the side of organic life.

Modifié par katcrave, 18 septembre 2012 - 04:56 .

[Steelcan]

Terrorize69 wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

To get back on topic... Which side would Miranda pick if peace was not possible, Quarians or Geth? I think quarians

Well Miranda is pro-human, and the Geth "did" pose a threat to humanity, so I think she'd side with the Quarians.

. I think she'd pick the quarians because thy are a known entity the geth are not, and their past oes not recommend them

[Stalker]

Sonashi wrote...

Mr Massakka wrote...

Question is not the number of those who killed more. Question is who started it.

I have to disagree. You are turning war into statistics. Even ONE killed person is a tragedy. And question who started what doesn't help the victims.

The fault of the tragedy is at those who started it in the first place because without their actions, no one would have been killed. 

That's exactly what happened in that conflict: a group of Quarians first shot at the friendly Geth.
If these Quarians are now killed, should I judge the killer? No.
If these Quarians declare war on the killers now, the dead civilians might be a tragedy, but the fault stays at the Quarians.

Modifié par Mr Massakka, 18 septembre 2012 - 05:04 .

[Terrorize69]

Mr Massakka wrote...

Sonashi wrote...

Mr Massakka wrote...

Question is not the number of those who killed more. Question is who started it.

I have to disagree. You are turning war into statistics. Even ONE killed person is a tragedy. And question who started what doesn't help the victims.

The fault of the tragedy is at those who started it in the first place because without their actions, no one would have been killed. 

That's exactly what happened in that conflict: a group of Quarians first shot at the friendly Geth. If these Quarians are now killed, should I judge the killer? No.

See it this way, if a member of your country went out and killed someone from a different country. Then that country hit back by killing your civvys. Who would you side with?

[Sonashi]

Mr Massakka wrote...

Sonashi wrote...

Mr Massakka wrote...

Question is not the number of those who killed more. Question is who started it.

I have to disagree. You are turning war into statistics. Even ONE killed person is a tragedy. And question who started what doesn't help the victims.

The fault of the tragedy is at those who started it in the first place because without their actions, no one would have been killed. 

That's exactly what happened in that conflict: a group of Quarians first shot at the friendly Geth. If these Quarians are now killed, should I judge the killer? No.

Ok I understand but if one side of started it and half-way through war ,they understood their mistake, but other side despite that decided to continue fighting, who's more guilty then?

Ieldra2 wrote...

jtav wrote...
Destroy. Promise broken.

I don't understand....

I think she meant that she can't choose destroying the Geth despite of made promise.

Modifié par Sonashi, 18 septembre 2012 - 05:10 .

[Stalker]

Terrorize69 wrote...
See it this way, if a member of your country went out and killed someone from a different country. Then that country hit back by killing your civvys. Who would you side with?

That's not a correct analogy.
A fitting analogy would be, if someone from my country tries to shoot someone, gets killed in self-defense and my country declares war on them through dictatorship. If the other country now attacks my country in the war... I side with the other country.

If you hit a bee-hive and get stung all over the body, is it the bees fault?

Sonashi wrote...
Ok I understand but if one side of started it and half-way through war ,they understood their mistake, but other side despite that decided to continue fighting, who's more guilty then?

The Quarians fought their war while billions died. And when they finally realized their failure and left Rannoch... the Geth let them go.

Modifié par Mr Massakka, 18 septembre 2012 - 05:18 .

[enayasoul]

Quarians... Miranda wanted Legion to be studied.

[enayasoul]

Do you think Miranda is a risk taker or play it safe?

From her wanting to see Shepard she plays it safe. Wanting to study the geth... Not wanting to send any one back on the Suicide Misson. Dealing with Niket.

I think she does take a risk with Sanctuary... putting a stop to the evil... She takes the risk of loving Shepard? But then she wants to say goodbye in ME3

She seems like a pessimist at times. "We all knew this was a one way trip."

Anything else?

[Sonashi]

Mr Massakka wrote...

Sonashi wrote...
Ok I understand but if one side of started it and half-way through war ,they understood their mistake, but other side despite that decided to continue fighting, who's more guilty then?

The Quarians fought their war while billions died. And when they finally realized their failure and left Rannoch... the Geth let them go.

Yes I know that. I was talking about wars overall, sorry for confusion. But the question is. Did the Geth kill only those Quarians who attacked them? Or they killed innocents too? If they did then they are as guilty as Quarians. And it doesn't matter who started war, that's what I'm trying to tell you.

Modifié par Sonashi, 18 septembre 2012 - 05:24 .

[lillitheris]

I find a good way to think about the geth-quarian situation is as if one species attacked their slaves when they started showing signs of indepedence, and then there was a war.

[Stalker]

Sonashi wrote...

Mr Massakka wrote...

Sonashi wrote...
Ok I understand but if one side of started it and half-way through war ,they understood their mistake, but other side despite that decided to continue fighting, who's more guilty then?

The Quarians fought their war while billions died. And when they finally realized their failure and left Rannoch... the Geth let them go.


If you hit a bee-hive and get stung all over the body, is it the bees fault?

Yes I know that. I was talking about wars overall, sorry for confusion. But the question is. Did the Geth kill only those Quarians who attacked them? Or they killed innocents too? If they did then they are as quilty as Quarians. And it doesn't matter who started war, that's what I'm trying to tell you.

It's never clearly stated. At least not in the wiki. It just says "billions" there.
If the Geth would have killed millions of unarmed civilians, I agree: I couln't sympathize with the Geth too much anymore.
But I also couldn't support the Quarians: After all, they were the ones who started and without their actions the civilians would be alive.

Crimes on both sides equally.

Modifié par Mr Massakka, 18 septembre 2012 - 05:29 .

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

I can't wait to rip Kai Leng apart again. I'ii execute him for the atempted murder of my Love Interest, Miss Lawson.

[Sonashi]

Mr Massakka wrote...

Crimes on both sides equally.

I agree completely. Maybe we should get back on topic...

[katcrave]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

I can't wait to rip Kai Leng apart again. I'ii execute him for the atempted murder of my Love Interest, Miss Lawson.

Killing Leng is one of my favorite Renegade interrupts. That and neck snapping the merc in her LM.

[Sonashi]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

I can't wait to rip Kai Leng apart again. I'ii execute him for the atempted murder of my Love Interest, Miss Lawson.

But your Shepard will kill him coz of Thane, sorry

Modifié par Sonashi, 18 septembre 2012 - 05:39 .

[Steelcan]

Sonashi wrote...

Mr Massakka wrote...

Crimes on both sides equally.

I agree completely. Maybe we should get back on topic...

. Yes, one is organic the other synthetic, my side was easy to pick

[Stalker]

Steelcan wrote...

Sonashi wrote...

Mr Massakka wrote...

Crimes on both sides equally.

I agree completely. Maybe we should get back on topic...

. Yes, one is organic the other synthetic, my side was easy to pick

... aaand we are right back at the question how to define life.

I agree with the bolded.

[CrutchCricket]

Steelcan wrote...
Yes, one is organic the other synthetic, my side was easy to pick

So just good old bias then, is it?

Glad I moved on to something else.

[Sonashi]

I have a question, some of you might think it's a silly one but nevertheless....

Would Miranda celebrate her birthday in any way or she would be ashamed of the way she was born?

[lillitheris]

That is actually a really interesting question. I think she would completely ignore it—at least until/if Ori or Shepard made a big deal of it.

That aside, I think Miranda’s the type who wouldn’t like celebrating her birthday anyway, but I may be projecting.

[hot_heart]

Sonashi wrote...

I have a question, some of you might think it's a silly one but nevertheless....

Would Miranda celebrate her birthday in any way or she would be ashamed of the way she was born?

No, that's a very good question!

...and I hadn't even considered it. Though, actually, I don't think it would have anything to do with how she was born (which is still unclear). I guess, since she doesn't really have friends and keeps secrets, that she wouldn't 'celebrate' it as such. She might remember it...perhaps have some private and personal sort of way of commemorating it?

I wonder what birthdays were like in the Lawson household.

[katcrave]

Good question . Birthdays are sentimental occasions that I can't see Miranda having much interest in.