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[jtav]

If it came down to it, I'd choose Miranda every time. She's my avatar, not Shep.

[Jebel Krong]

jtav wrote...

We've discussed at some length the possibility of Miranda/FemShep. I believe the nays were pretty decisive. But do you know what I want? The opportunity to broach the subject even if it mean rejection. I have this uncouth Renegade who's desperately in love with her, and is trying (badly) to make her happy. I know I know, flip the gender. But the in-game romance lacks that certain OTT romanticism I want.

This is where I don't get some people - you can't rp that in-game and whilst intellectually it might be a challenge to infer, where's the fun when you have to do all the work in your head? I like the concept of possible rejection though, I think that's possible given the s/s inclusions, and won't that be a fun time round here when people's expectations have been raised and X isn't available?

[mereck7980]

jtav wrote...

I don't think you have to worry about Morrigan 2.0. ME is a much more optimistic universe than DA. While Miranda's is the easiest for me to pass off as a fling, there are numerous indications she does care. A happy ending won't be guaranteed, but it will be possible.

I don't by the fling theroy.  Her character undergoes a pretty dramatic transformation, at least in her interactions with Shepard, over the course of the game.  The last couple of dialog sequences gave her a chance to really show genuine affection and admiration for Shepard, which given how she interacts with everyone else in the game is a pretty rare thing for Miranda.  I highly doubt she would display a "hit it and quit it" mentality in ME3.  

BTW, if you play Witch Hunt you have a chance to hook back up with Morrigan, which I did.  So, that relationship doesn't have to be a fling either.  Just saying...

Modifié par mereck7980, 18 juin 2011 - 09:26 .

[Jebel Krong]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Jebel Krong wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Arijharn wrote...
As much as I like Miranda, I have to say that if it had to come down to between her and me I'd pick me every time... if only because I think it's kinda pragmatic to want to survive.

My main maleShep believes Miranda is more important to humanity's future than he is. So he'd go. My other Shepards - hmm... could go either way.

You'd deserve it if you lack the drive/pragmatism for self-preservation - something neither Shepard nor miranda lack by default. There's also a big difference between giving your life for someone and throwing your own away.

I'm not talking about throwing away. Perhaps I should have added that OF COURSE I'd only do it if there was no alternative but that one of Shepard or Miranda dies. I really thought that went without saying.

Not that I believe we'll get that scenario, unless we make bad choices perhaps

Shep dies = game over (literally and figuratively), so it's really a silly statement to make is really what i was getting at.

Totally agree that'll never come up tho.

[Ieldra]

This has been discussed on the old thread, but it's appropriate to ask it again here:

What kind of epilogue do you want for Miranda (if she's not romanced) or for Miranda and Shepard if they're together? What should be in her/their future that we want to be told?

I have three scenario's I'd like:
(1) After the Reapers are defeated, Miranda and Shepard are going to leave Citadel space and lead a big expedition into the far reaches of the galaxy and vanish from public perception for a very long time. Nobody knows if they'll every come back. Miranda may or may not find or want a way to circumvent her infertility (that should be a choice).

(2) After the Reapers are defeated, Miranda will come to lead an STG-like organization which may or may not be made from the remnants of Cerberus, but she has inherited the moniker "Illusive Woman" nevertheless because she's managed to keep her face off the public grid in spite of her big role in finding a protective measure against indoctrination. So everyone knows of her, but almost nobody knows her. Shepard is on the new Council or an Admiral for whichever faction now rules humanity. They meet less often than they'd like, but that doesn't lessen their relationship. Miranda may or may not find or want a way to circumvent her infertility (that should be a choice).

(3) Like 2, only with a non-romanced Miranda. She might be together with Kaidan in this case or stay single.

[Ieldra]

Jebel Krong wrote...
Shep dies = game over (literally and figuratively), so it's really a silly statement to make is really what i was getting at.

You mean like Shepard could die in ME2? That silly? In ME2 it may be, because there's another game to run, but I am convinced we'll get an option for a heroic sacrifice ending of ME3, with or without LIs involved. We won't be forced into the situation no matter what, but I'm sure there will be decision paths that lead there.

[Jebel Krong]

I'd prefer Miranda to lead a research team or something post-lazarus rather than just ape TIM, or be a poor-man's SB. She and (hopefully) still spectre Shep can develop their relationship with the solid base of wherever that project is located, bringing some stability for both.

[jtav]

Ieldra's #3 complete with Kaidan would be my preferred scenario. Or she takes over her father's empire and is deeply involved in humanitarian efforts to rebuild humanity. And she adopts a few war orphans. Shepard is honorary aunt/uncle.

@Jebel: When RP options are so thin, making stuff up is the fun. I'm divided on how I feel about her as an s/s option, but I'd almost certainly take it.

[Jebel Krong]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Jebel Krong wrote...
Shep dies = game over (literally and figuratively), so it's really a silly statement to make is really what i was getting at.

You mean like Shepard could die in ME2? That silly? In ME2 it may be, because there's another game to run, but I am convinced we'll get an option for a heroic sacrifice ending of ME3, with or without LIs involved. We won't be forced into the situation no matter what, but I'm sure there will be decision paths that lead there.

Yes - the game ends/galaxy is screwed etc. Game/story wise Shepard is by far and away the most important character, as befits player-status. Saying that miranda is more important to the future is therefore impossible.

There may be AN ending like that, but it's so trite and cliche I sure hope it's not easy to get.

[jtav]

Disagree. Shepard is important because it's wartime. Churchill was a great wartime leader. {eacetime? Not so much. Once the war is over, Shepard is no longer necessary. It's the administrators/scientists/activists that will be needed.

I'm actually looking forward to the heroic sacrifice.

[Jebel Krong]

jtav wrote...

Disagree. Shepard is important because it's wartime. Churchill was a great wartime leader. {eacetime? Not so much. Once the war is over, Shepard is no longer necessary. It's the administrators/scientists/activists that will be needed.

I'm actually looking forward to the heroic sacrifice.

yeah but you have no way to properly gauge something like lazarus, which for all anyone knows be exceptionally important in the future (bringing people back to life - gotta be worth something, right?), and hiw do you weigh up the two, without shep there'd be no one around to use lazarus.

[jtav]

Lazarus is the most important medical advance in the history of medicine, but Shepard doesn't understand it anymore than I understand the spine surgery I had. Miranda and TIM are likely the only people who understand the specifics. It's the doctor, not the patient, who makes history.

[Jebel Krong]

might wanna vote for the miranda t-shirt here.

[Rawke]

jtav wrote...

Disagree. Shepard is important because it's wartime. Churchill was a great wartime leader. {eacetime? Not so much. Once the war is over, Shepard is no longer necessary. It's the administrators/scientists/activists that will be needed.

I'm actually looking forward to the heroic sacrifice.

Churchill wasn't even a great wartime leader. Just saying. I never understood why the Brits are so fond of him.

yeah but you have no way to properly gauge something like
lazarus, which for all anyone knows be exceptionally important in the
future (bringing people back to life - gotta be worth something,
right?), and hiw do you weigh up the two, without shep there'd be no one
around to use lazarus.

Uhm...so what? If you listen closely in ME2, you'll realise that it cost Cerberus a fortune to rebuild Shepard. The amount of money that was poured into the Lazarus project was huge, and we don't even know if it can be reproduced. Either way, the cost would be far too high for any government to justify actually using it. Cerberus is a private organisation and doesn't have to explain what they spend money on to taxpayers. Also, Miranda was the project leader; she knows a lot, but I guess the specific scientific details died with Wilson and the other scientists.

After the Reapers are dead, Shepard's a war hero, nothing more, nothing less. Dead or not. He's not a politician, he's not a scientist. A figurehead at best. The cleaning up can be done by any capable leader.

[Jebel Krong]

jtav wrote...

Lazarus is the most important medical advance in the history of medicine, but Shepard doesn't understand it anymore than I understand the spine surgery I had. Miranda and TIM are likely the only people who understand the specifics. It's the doctor, not the patient, who makes history.

Rawke wrote...

Uhm...so what? If you listen closely in
ME2, you'll realise that it cost Cerberus a fortune to rebuild Shepard.
The amount of money that was poured into the Lazarus project was huge,
and we don't even know if it can be reproduced. Either way, the cost
would be far too high for any government to justify actually using it.
Cerberus is a private organisation and doesn't have to explain what they
spend money on to taxpayers. Also, Miranda was the project leader; she
knows a lot, but I guess the specific scientific details died with
Wilson and the other scientists.

After the Reapers are dead,
Shepard's a war hero, nothing more, nothing less. Dead or not. He's not a
politician, he's not a scientist. A figurehead at best. The cleaning up
can be done by any capable leader.

um, that's not what i meant in either case - i actually meant that miranda's running of (as an example only of something important) Lazarus could be considered very important by future generations, however without shepard to ensure said generations, there'd be no story anyway, so it's kind of a catch-22 -- this applies to JTav's churchill example, too.

[alperez]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Heh...from the recent discussion it appears that most of us here don't see anyone but Ashley as a serious contender for Shepard's affection after Miranda. It is as if Tali, Jack and to a certain extent even Liara don't even exist. Is that so?

BTW, that choice between Ashley and Miranda would only make sense if it was plot-related, not romance-related. It makes no sense that choosing our LI for the team will make four others unavailable. Also there's the romance conflict. It must happen somewhere for those Shepards with different LIs in ME1 and ME2.

I think its the fact that by the looks of things they've made Ash more physically Miranda like whereas the rest are how they always looked (its only a perception based on how some people reacted to Ash's new look).

In terms of plot reasons why Ash over Miranda well there's none really other than contrived reasons.

I said what i said about a romance vs a non romanced Miranda defining squadmate status for the very reason you put in at the end the conflict.

There are only 5 ways to resolve the romance conflict IMO.

1. Every character has a standard story role one that doesn't change no matter whether you romanced them or not, but if you romanced a character that character also has a full squadmate role above and beyond their standard story role.

So you get temp roles for practically all the me2 specific crew where you resolve their arcs but if you romanced one of them you also get that one to join you as a full squadmate allowing the romance arc to finish and the conflict to be resolved.

2. All me2 li's have full squadmate roles

3. All me2 li's have temp roles and mission related missions where you meet them , do their thing and they leave for a time only to return at the beginning of the end point allowing you to resolve their romances and resolve the conflict.

4. A me2 Li has a temp role and at the end of it a do you wish to continue or end your romance dialogue choice, you pick end and that's it they're gone not to return, character and story arc finished, you pick yes they return pre end mission you complete the romance arc, resolve the conflict.

5. al me2 characters have temp roles, you do their mission they leave only to all return pre end mission allowing you to finish their story arcs, romance arcs and resolve any conflicts.

[alperez]

jtav wrote...


As for what role she could play on the galactic stage, restructuring the remnants of Cerberus into something that helps Shepard. And I don't see why she should be a permanent squaddie only if she's a LI.

Not to sure there'll be a cerberus post shepard (depending on the reasoning for cerberus working with reapers) or how important the remnants of cerberus would be galatically (a divisive organaisation not really something you need in uniting a galaxy. There could be tech and stuff that might help in fighting the reapers but again you'll probably have access to that once you defeat them. But if they go a certain route then perhaps Miranda could play a part.

I agree completely that it shouldn't make a difference whether she's an Li or not, but it might.

[Vertigo_1]

alperez wrote...
I think its the fact that by the looks of things they've made Ash more physically Miranda like whereas the rest are how they always looked (its only a perception based on how some people reacted to Ash's new look).

If you're going by what was shown at the E3 demo one thing you should know is that the other redesigns probably weren't ready to be shown just yet so they used the models from ME2 (Mordin, Tali)

Developers have said everyone is getting a redesign:
We didn't get to see the redesigned Jack FYI

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 19 juin 2011 - 02:48 .

[jtav]

Call me shallow, but I hope she keeps her basic hairstyle. And trades the catsuit for something that doesn't make her look like she belongs in a porn vid. Armor would be lovely.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Vertigo_1 wrote...

Developers have said everyone is getting a redesign:

Even Miri? O.O

I hope that she will STILL be voiced by AND modeled after Yvonne Strahovski!!!!<3<3<3<3

[Vertigo_1]

jtav wrote...

Call me shallow, but I hope she keeps her basic hairstyle. And trades the catsuit for something that doesn't make her look like she belongs in a porn vid. Armor would be lovely.

Stop reading my mind!

I agree completely, especially the hair...

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 19 juin 2011 - 03:04 .

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

jtav wrote...

 Armor would be lovely.

But Miri is a Biotic. Armor would be too heavy. She has magnificent agility.<3<3<3<3

Armor is too Bulky:(

[jtav]

What I'm hoping they do with her hair is make it look more natural. Ash's hairstyle leaves me frothing at the mouth, but it certainly looks good.

As for armor being too bulky, Kaidan, Liara, and adept Shepard all wear armor. And all the agility in the world doesn't protect from a hostile atmosphere. It's pure fanservice.

Modifié par jtav, 19 juin 2011 - 03:12 .

[Vertigo_1]

Note that Kaidan is getting heavy armor as part of his redesign and he's a Biotic
I doubt they would do that for Miranda but something that is sexy but also looks like it offers some protection would be a nice compromise for fans IMO

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 19 juin 2011 - 03:21 .

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Vertigo_1 wrote...
 Miranda but something that is sexy but also looks like it offers some protection would be a nice compromise for fans IMO

You make a good point, as long as it's NOT bulky and does NOT have a Visor.

But I have with the jumpsuit either. 

BioWare may redesign that. Especially if she resigned from Cerberus.

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 19 juin 2011 - 03:24 .