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[Ieldra]

dtrain24 wrote...

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

I feel so tired. Can someone post some...idk...sexy Miri Pic?

Let the emoticons flow... 

As you wish

I like this picture because it looks as if this could really be Miranda's body. Most NSFW pictures are not of that kind.

[ghost9191]

well Ieldra2, not attacking your headcanon. but i just don't see like the catalystshepard to be the same shepard, or if shep is brought back through the echo shard, same with cloning, it isn't the same person. Might have the memories and such but what they were is no more. the one we knew is gone. but guess that is what you mean by ascended, as in shep becomes something else or whatever . that is just how i feel on cloning and the control ending.

Just a new AI based on shepard, but not really him or her . Echo shard is a interesting idea , but still it isn't the same to me . idk i have a limited view lol

i get the idea, and is interesting i just personally wouldn't see the person the same way

Modifié par ghost9191, 19 septembre 2012 - 08:24 .

[Sable Rhapsody]

Miri fans, I have a quick question.

I'm finally getting my poor neglected ManShep who romanced Miri into ME3. If I maintain her romance after her first conversation on the Citadel, am I still going to have to tiptoe around triggering Ash and Liara's romances? Or will hers take priority?

[ghost9191]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Miri fans, I have a quick question.

I'm finally getting my poor neglected ManShep who romanced Miri into ME3. If I maintain her romance after her first conversation on the Citadel, am I still going to have to tiptoe around triggering Ash and Liara's romances? Or will hers take priority?

should be good with ash, but i think that you can still trigger liaras romance, never tried it but when she says " more time as just friends" or whatever there is a option to choose more then friends. never picked it myself though

[Sable Rhapsody]

ghost9191 wrote...
should be good with ash, but i think that you can still trigger liaras romance, never tried it but when she says " more time as just friends" or whatever there is a option to choose more then friends. never picked it myself though

Assballs.  I like Liara, I really do.  I just don't wanna bang her--is that so hard for the game to understand?

[ghost9191]

well as i said i never picked it . it might be like cortez and such and say that they know you are already with so and so. she does seem to fall for shep no matter what though

[Ieldra]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...
Miri fans, I have a quick question.

I'm finally getting my poor neglected ManShep who romanced Miri into ME3. If I maintain her romance after her first conversation on the Citadel, am I still going to have to tiptoe around triggering Ash and Liara's romances? Or will hers take priority?

You will have to tiptoe, unfortunately. For some time, anyway.

Team member romances take priority and you are never locked out of them by non-team member romances. You need to not-affirm the Ashley romance when the opportunity comes up (first conversation in the clinic where she's awake) and you need to avoid Paragon interrupts with Liara until the option "just friends" comes up. After that, you should be fine. 

Modifié par Ieldra2, 19 septembre 2012 - 09:29 .

[lillitheris]

MisterJB wrote...

 He believes in protecting humanity without showing any indication of xenophobic beliefs. He shows respect and care for all he comes across, humans or aliens, and attempts to minimize casualties whenever possible going so far as to forbid certain strategies due to the danger they posed to both his men and the civillians of Omega.

Once again raising the question why he’s a member of an avowed terrorist organization.

[lillitheris]

Steelcan wrote...

I just finished uploading the first two chapters of my post destroy fan fiction, Mass Effect: Reconstruction. I'd greatly appreciate it if any of you would review it. I can't get links to work, but if you would please find it I would greatly appreciate any feedback. https://www.fanficti...storyid=8537270

Here’s a better link, yours is for the admin interface: http://www.fanfictio...-Reconstruction.

Edit: non-substantive note before reading anything: you should separate your author notes from the actual text. Use a horizontal line, for example.

Modifié par lillitheris, 19 septembre 2012 - 11:15 .

[flemm]

lillitheris wrote...
Once again raising the question why he’s a member of an avowed terrorist organization.

This question isn't really all that mysterious.

Cerberus hasn't been portrayed the same way throughout the series. That's really obvious, and it's also been acknowledged by the devs, at least as far as the transition from ME1 to ME2 is concerned.

That has nothing directly to do with the organisation's "morality," really. One can certainly believe, if one wants, that Cerberus has been pure evil throughout the series, but with regard to the *type* of organisation it is, the portrayal has not been consistent.

In ME1, it's a human extremist group of little importance. In ME2, it's more like a rogue black ops organisation along the lines of Section 31 from the Star Trek universe (which may have influenced the ME2 portrayal).

In the Star Trek storylines, Section 31 exists outside Starfleet Intelligence's influence and deals with threats to Earth's and, later, the Federation's security.

Unlike other similar organizations in the Star Trek universe, such as the Romulan Tal Shiar and the Cardassian Obsidian Order, Section 31 is not an actual branch of government. Accountable to no one, Section 31 focuses on external threats, and pursues those it identifies by whatever means it sees fit.

Hence the comparison Miranda makes, for example, with the Salarian STG.

In ME3, Cerberus is portrayed more like the Sith, bent on galactic domination in a comic book-y sort of way, complete with drone soldiers and so on.

Characters like Miranda and Petrovsky fit the ME2 concept, where you have gray characters who have commendable motivations, such as protecting humanity, who can be sincerely idealistic, but who use means to accomplish those goals that would be widely considered immoral or at least of dubious morality. They make the argument that crossing certain lines is necessary to protect humanity/the Federation, etc. That's really the whole point of that type of story element.

Modifié par flemm, 19 septembre 2012 - 11:09 .

[lillitheris]

flemm wrote...

lillitheris wrote...
Once again raising the question why he’s a member of an avowed terrorist organization.

This question isn't really all that mysterious.

Cerberus hasn't been portrayed the same way throughout the series. That's really obvious, and it's also been acknowledged by the devs, at least as far as the transition from ME1 to ME2 is concerned.

That has nothing directly to do with the organisation's "morality," really. One can certainly believe, if one wants, that Cerberus has been pure evil throughout the series, but with regard to the *type* of organisation it is, the portrayal has not been consistent.

I’m not arguing that ME2 didn’t present such a front. I’m arguing that it’s not consistent with the ME lore, which quite clearly states that it is a known terrorist organization. Not a questionable organization, not one whose actions could be interpreted as terrorist—it’s an actual terrorist organization. Bombings, assassinations, you name it.

In this light, many elements of the ME2 Cerberus are, if you will, OOC.

Edit: ME3 tried to also insinuate that the ME2 Cerberus was, in fact, a front. That still leaves the question of how these nice people came to be in it to begin with—the ones who joined before this front was set up (ignoring that it was supposedly for Shepard’s benefit only).

Modifié par lillitheris, 19 septembre 2012 - 01:39 .

[Ieldra]

ghost9191 wrote...
well Ieldra2, not attacking your headcanon. but i just don't see like the catalystshepard to be the same shepard, or if shep is brought back through the echo shard, same with cloning, it isn't the same person. Might have the memories and such but what they were is no more. the one we knew is gone. but guess that is what you mean by ascended, as in shep becomes something else or whatever . that is just how i feel on cloning and the control ending.

Just a new AI based on shepard, but not really him or her . Echo shard is a interesting idea , but still it isn't the same to me . idk i have a limited view lol

i get the idea, and is interesting i just personally wouldn't see the person the same way

I like my scenarios exactly because they bring up those questions of identity. If you can still love and still love the same person, if you recall what you did and why, recall how you felt about things decades ago, how can you not be the same person? Or rather, how would you be less different post-ascension than your pre-ascension self was from what you were 20 years ago? You gain different perspectives in a human life and still count yourself identical to the one who didn't have the new perspectives, a long time ago. As I see it, if identity has any meaning beyond the moment and isn't just a delusion (which is a distinct possibility), then it's carried by continuity of memory. Not even of emotion, btw, because emotions can change, but for instance, the memory of how it felt when you loved someone will always be part of you.

If you ask if Shepard will be the same before and after, there can be no 100% correct answer. Yes, and no. There will be continuity of memory and experience, and the new Shepard will be no more - and no less - the same person than you are the same person you were a few years ago. 

[Sable Rhapsody]

Ieldra2 wrote...
You will have to tiptoe, unfortunately. For some time, anyway.

Team member romances take priority and you are never locked out of them by non-team member romances. You need to not-affirm the Ashley romance when the opportunity comes up (first conversation in the clinic where she's awake) and you need to avoid Paragon interrupts with Liara until the option "just friends" comes up. After that, you should be fine. 

OK.  Thanks so much for the detailed instructions.  Y'all are awesome.

[Steelcan]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
You will have to tiptoe, unfortunately. For some time, anyway.

Team member romances take priority and you are never locked out of them by non-team member romances. You need to not-affirm the Ashley romance when the opportunity comes up (first conversation in the clinic where she's awake) and you need to avoid Paragon interrupts with Liara until the option "just friends" comes up. After that, you should be fine. 

OK.  Thanks so much for the detailed instructions.  Y'all are awesome.

.  Another way is to kill Ashley on Virmire/Citadel and dump Liara quickly in ME3 then do all the renegade options

[ghost9191]

@Ieldra2

now i am actually starting to think about it more. not sure what to type in response. putting more thought into then i did before.

i mean part of me would still think that person is gone, but then again same thoughts and memories . idk like say if i was cloned. would it be me, or someone else with my memories. in short i am gonna have to put thought into this now lol

[ghost9191]

Steelcan wrote...

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
You will have to tiptoe, unfortunately. For some time, anyway.

Team member romances take priority and you are never locked out of them by non-team member romances. You need to not-affirm the Ashley romance when the opportunity comes up (first conversation in the clinic where she's awake) and you need to avoid Paragon interrupts with Liara until the option "just friends" comes up. After that, you should be fine. 

OK.  Thanks so much for the detailed instructions.  Y'all are awesome.

.  Another way is to kill Ashley on Virmire/Citadel and dump Liara quickly in ME3 then do all the renegade options

:devil:EVIL


i mean to do that would lead someone down the path of evil. not calling you evil

just in case you took offense

Modifié par ghost9191, 19 septembre 2012 - 11:57 .

[katcrave]

lillitheris wrote...

flemm wrote...

lillitheris wrote...
Once again raising the question why he’s a member of an avowed terrorist organization.

This question isn't really all that mysterious.

Cerberus hasn't been portrayed the same way throughout the series. That's really obvious, and it's also been acknowledged by the devs, at least as far as the transition from ME1 to ME2 is concerned.

That has nothing directly to do with the organisation's "morality," really. One can certainly believe, if one wants, that Cerberus has been pure evil throughout the series, but with regard to the *type* of organisation it is, the portrayal has not been consistent.

I’m not arguing that ME2 didn’t present such a front. I’m arguing that it’s not consistent with the ME lore, which quite clearly states that it is a known terrorist organization. Not a questionable organization, not one whose actions could be interpreted as terrorist—it’s an actual terrorist organization. Bombings, assassinations, you name it.

In this light, many elements of the ME2 Cerberus are, if you will, OOC.

I wonder if this is intentional or just poor writing on BW's part...

I thought that making Cerberus a more 'grey' organization added an interesting layer to the gaming experience. But either that perspective is flatly false, or ultimately inconsequential as the writers chose to go somewhere else with it (cue Imperial March).

[Steelcan]

^ Agreed wholeheartedly, they became the Galactic National Socialist German Workers party

[flemm]

lillitheris wrote...
In this light, many elements of the ME2 Cerberus are, if you will, OOC.

From outside the story, we can just recognize that Cerberus has been what the writers wanted it to be for a particular game.

Inside the story, we would have to come up with something along these lines:

1) What appeared, superficially, or to the public eye, as a human extremist organisation of minor importance, was actually a rogue covert ops organisation, with advanced technology and significant resources, dedicated to defeating external threats to humanity, if necessary by crossing certain moral boundaries, with a permeable relationship to the Alliance military.

2) An organisation that acted for a time as a rogue covert ops group protecting humanity's interests was actually being run by a Dark Lord/Sith Emporer-esque figure bent on galactic domination, perhaps because of an indoctrination influence that grew more powerful over time.

We won't be able to make all the details fit, because... they don't all fit.

Generally, "Section 31"-esque organisations are implied to have some sort of informal relationship with established military leaders. There are some hints of that in Mass Effect, no doubt because of that tendency.

[Ieldra]

According to Bioware, TIM was meant encompass both the best and the worst of humanity. So no, I don't think the "grey" presentation in ME2 was an anomaly. We get things like bringing Shepard back from the dead, part responsibility for building the first Normandy, and generally pushing the envelope in science and technology. Then take TIM in ME:Evolution and the Cerberus Manifesto. He knew there was "something out there to protect humanity against" and acted on it.

Then they turned into Space N*zis in ME3.

[lillitheris]

@flemm:

The details fit

3) A terrorist organization of some importance, masquerading as something else.

Much better. I don’t think your 2) is a necessary implication.

[lillitheris]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Then they turned into Space N*zis in ME3.

Why are you ignoring that they were already that all the way until ME2?

[flemm]

lillitheris wrote...

3) A terrorist organization of some importance, masquerading as something else.

That makes no sense. ME2 Cerberus has more advanced tech than anyone, and is able to accomplish a nigh-impossible medical miracle. Mordin Solus is at home in the SR2's lab.

The terrorist/extremist organisation from ME1 could never accomplish those things/have those resources or that technology.

[Stalker]

lillitheris wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Then they turned into Space N*zis in ME3.

Why are you ignoring that they were already that all the way until ME2?

No, they were not.  It was just retconned that way.

In ME2 (and partly 1) they have been the institution with great results but questionable methods, operating in the shadows. The galaxy would be completely different for Humanity if they would not exist. In a bad way.

In ME3 they suddenly have a whole fleet and army, and attack absolutely everywhere without any reason.

Modifié par Mr Massakka, 19 septembre 2012 - 01:58 .

[ghost9191]

lillitheris wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Then they turned into Space N*zis in ME3.

Why are you ignoring that they were already that all the way until ME2?

weren't they that in ME2 , he just did a good job of hiding it. not n*zis but i mean the bad ppls that are terrorist, the evil doers if you will

Modifié par ghost9191, 19 septembre 2012 - 01:56 .