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[DarkDragon777]

I don't think she'd want to go back after that. Firstly, she'd probably be afraid to go back and face him. Secondly, if she found out they were working for the Reapers, she'd leave. After what her and Shep went through, she'd know not  to trust them.

Modifié par DarkDragon777, 06 août 2011 - 04:42 .

[LuxDragon]

jtav wrote...

I think she'll be back with Cerberus (reluctantly) regardless of ending.

TIM has an whole army at his beck and call in ME 3. I doubt he'll waste resources on one person, talented as she may be.

Besides, his organization got gutted in Retribution. Miranda will know this.

*Sniffs the air* I smell weakness...

Even if TIM tries to do anything to Oriana, Miranda's knowledge of Cerberus could very well finish the organization off. What do you think he'll do? Forget what he learned about Grayson and put the last of his organization at risk for some petty vengence or even the idea the Miranda will competently work for him against her will? Not to mention the incur the wrath of Shepard (She's a friend and a crewmate, LI or not).

Or will he back off, lick his wounds and get to work on his Omega base and build his army that he doesn't need Miranda's help for? I'm thinking this.

*Or if you kept the base, she finds out what he's doing and leaves quietly.

Modifié par LuxDragon, 06 août 2011 - 04:45 .

[Volandrius]

Stuff like Miranda resigning is all recorded in our files, and is then given to Bioware. They know if she resigned or not in your playthroughs.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

How is that possible? How do they know what I do? O_O

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 06 août 2011 - 04:49 .

[Ieldra]

Miranda will obviously not be with Shepard at the start of ME3. So where will she be? If she starts at the same place for everyone she can't be with Cerberus because she resigned in some games. Even if she wanted to go back, TIM wouldn't trust her...

...or would he? Miranda can always tell him he placed her in an impossible situation at the Collector base, that she wouldn't have been able to keep Shepard from destroying the base. It's nothing more than the truth, actually. Now Cerberus may not have the base, but she has Shepard's trust.

That would create some uncertainty about Miranda's loyalty. Is she Shepard's mole in Cerberus or is she Cerberus way of keeping tabs on Shepard after they remeet? The same would apply for a Shepard who kept the base - Cerberus will be after him, but where does Miranda stand?

I would like such a scenario. The only reason why I don't believe we'll get it is that Bioware has almost always played things painfully straight. I'd love some subtlely and potential for intrigue and deception. Sadly, it doesn't appear that ME3 will have it.

@LuxDragon:
If Cerberus got so "gutted" in "Retribution", why can they muster so big an army? Also, read my above scenario. No blackmail is needed to put Miranda back with Cerberus, even in cases where she resigned.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 06 août 2011 - 04:56 .

[Ieldra]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...
How is that possible? How do they know what I do? O_O

That was misphrased. It's like this:

The game - ME3 - will know what you did by reading your imported savegame, and it will set parameters for events that depend on your old decisions accordingly.

Bioware themselves will not know what you did, but if you left gameplay feedback enabled then they'll have a server that collects your - and others' - data about how often which decision was taken. This is almost certainly anonymous. I don't think they would risk the backlash if it was not and that became known. 

Modifié par Ieldra2, 06 août 2011 - 05:01 .

[LuxDragon]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Miranda will obviously not be with Shepard at the start of ME3. So where will she be? If she starts at the same place for everyone she can't be with Cerberus because she resigned in some games. Even if she wanted to go back, TIM wouldn't trust her...

...or would he? Miranda can always tell him he placed her in an impossible situation at the Collector base, that she wouldn't have been able to keep Shepard from destroying the base. It's nothing more than the truth, actually. Now Cerberus may not have the base, but she has Shepard's trust.

That would create some uncertainty about Miranda's loyalty. Is she Shepard's mole in Cerberus or is she Cerberus way of keeping tabs on Shepard after they remeet? The same would apply for a Shepard who kept the base - Cerberus will be after him, but where does Miranda stand?

I would like such a scenario. The only reason why I don't believe we'll get it is that Bioware has almost always played things painfully straight. I'd love some subtlely and potential for intrigue and deception. Sadly, it doesn't appear that ME3 will have it.

@LuxDragon:
If Cerberus got so "gutted" in "Retribution", why can they muster so big an army? Also, read my above scenario. No blackmail is needed to put Miranda back with Cerberus, even in cases where she resigned.

In Retrubution, TIM says the Cerberus was hurt, not done. I was saying that he needed to focus on rebuilding and he doesn't need Miranda for that.

Besides, how can he muster an army? Didn't the demo say something indocturnation? A throwaway excuse maybe or something sinister is happening. We'll know in ME 3. For now, TIM doesn't have the resources to indulge in petty disputes.

[massiveattack3612]

i just hope she isnt with Cerberus in ME3 and that shes a squadmate

[Caihn]

Volandrius wrote...

Stuff like Miranda resigning is all recorded in our files, and is then given to Bioware. They know if she resigned or not in your playthroughs.

Yes, but I don't think this will count in ME3. It's not really a player's choice.
The real choice is to keep or not the base. And considering what she says to Shepard after the suicide mission, I doubt she will working for Cerberus in ME3 (in both case).

Also, her absence at the begining of the game has not been confirmed, it's only speculations.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Miri could be there at the beginning. We won't know for sure.

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 06 août 2011 - 05:17 .

[jtav]

I consider blackmail via Oriana very likely. "Oriana is the easiest method of ensuring Miranda's loyalty." So she begins as an enemy, fights Shepard, loses, joins the squad to take down TIM, etc.

And, considering the comic and what we know of ME3, I think Cerberus' status has been retconned.

Modifié par jtav, 06 août 2011 - 05:20 .

[DarkDragon777]

In that case, she'd just be a temporary squadmate. I don't see her as being permanent. She's more likely to be a very important NPC.

[The Elder King]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

Miri could be there at the beginning. We won't know for sure.

As much as I like the idea, I really, really doubt that this would happen. She can't stay on the SR-2 at the start of ME3. The Alliance would arrest her (and I don't think that it's possible for her to join the Alliance).

[Vertigo_1]

Let's not forget the 6-12 month timeline between the end ME2 and the beginning of ME3
Anything could happen in that time frame.

[Tarlyn03]

Cerberus is after Shepard in ME3 right. What if she was a temporary squad mate in ME3 where she helped you take down the illusive man. Or she asked to help her hide Oriana.

[Caihn]

hhh89 wrote...

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

Miri could be there at the beginning. We won't know for sure.

As much as I like the idea, I really, really doubt that this would happen. She can't stay on the SR-2 at the start of ME3. The Alliance would arrest her (and I don't think that it's possible for her to join the Alliance).

Why she would not be arrested ? She could make a deal with the Alliance. She has many useful informations on Cerberus, and this would make more reasons for TIM to turn against Shepard and his team.

[Vertigo_1]

Tarlyn03 wrote...

Cerberus is after Shepard in ME3 right. What if she was a temporary squad mate in ME3 where she helped you take down the illusive man. Or she asked to help her hide Oriana.

No, not this again.

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 06 août 2011 - 05:26 .

[massiveattack3612]

It would be great to do a mission with Miranda where you take down the Illusive Man. Cuz in my opinion he needs to go.

[Caihn]

Tarlyn03 wrote...

Cerberus is after Shepard in ME3 right. What if she was a temporary squad mate in ME3 where she helped you take down the illusive man. Or she asked to help her hide Oriana.

If she want to hide Oriana, I think she would do this herself between ME2 and ME3.
As for her temporary squadmate status, I don't like it, I don't want a LotSB 2.0 for her. I need her at my side to defeat the reapers, not only Cerberus.

[MegaBadExample]

massiveattack3612 wrote...

It would be great to do a mission with Miranda where you take down the Illusive Man. Cuz in my opinion he needs to go.

^

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Yannkee wrote...

Tarlyn03 wrote...

Cerberus is after Shepard in ME3 right. What if she was a temporary squad mate in ME3 where she helped you take down the illusive man. Or she asked to help her hide Oriana.

If she want to hide Oriana, I think she would do this herself between ME2 and ME3.
As for her temporary squadmate status, I don't like it, I don't want a LotSB 2.0 for her. I need her at my side to defeat the reapers, not only Cerberus.

^ THIS!!!!

[The Elder King]

Yannkee wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

Miri could be there at the beginning. We won't know for sure.

As much as I like the idea, I really, really doubt that this would happen. She can't stay on the SR-2 at the start of ME3. The Alliance would arrest her (and I don't think that it's possible for her to join the Alliance).

Why she would not be arrested ? She could make a deal with the Alliance. She has many useful informations on Cerberus, and this would make more reasons for TIM to turn against Shepard and his team.

You're right, a deal seems reasonable. The Alliance needs information about Cerberus (especially if they're working with the Reapers).
It's an interesting an reasonable theory, but I prefer to don't be too optimistic. It would be a great surprise if she's with us from the start. And Miranda working in some way with the Alliance enters perfectly in the definition of "big spoiler".

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Cerberus has a disadvantage. Miri knows everything about Cerberus that she can give to the Alliance, or Just Shepard, in order to bring Cerberus' downfall.

[The Elder King]

About Oriana: I don't want another mission about this. And if Liara is still the SB, she could easily aske her to hide Oriana, without asking Shepard and make us do the same mission of ME2.

[MisterJB]

Yannkee wrote...
Why she would not be arrested ? She could make a deal with the Alliance. She has many useful informations on Cerberus, and this would make more reasons for TIM to turn against Shepard and his team.

The Alliance is not going to let a former Cerberus agent roam free, not matter how much information she gives them. At best she will be put in a witness protections program. But eventually, one of Cerberus' agents inside the Alliance would get to her. Paul Grayson said as much at the end of "Ascension". Altough, of course, warring with the Reapers could change a few things.
And if Oriana is living in the Termynus Sistems, the Alliance couldn't protect her.

Modifié par MisterJB, 06 août 2011 - 05:33 .