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"I'll always want you in my life." Miranda Lawson in Mass Effect 3

Débuté par jtav , juin 13 2011 05:39

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Posté 19 septembre 2012 - 11:01

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hot_heart wrote...
I don't want to get into a whole endings discussion but, essentially, these are mental 'workarounds' that go against the intent of BioWare. This can apply to many areas outside of the endings.

I'm not saying that you have to accept them (because some really do stretch credulity), it's just that we all tend to cherry-pick which bits we like to acknowledge, and that will vary from person to person.

Well I've made the point before that arguing over intent is useless without clarification from the source.

And like jtav pointed out, debates (the good ones anyway) tend to stick with in-game facts. If you go too far into headcanon land, you'll usually be called out on it.

In any case, given the ****pile we're left with I can safely say I don't give a rat's ass what Bioware's intent is.

If we accepted Bioware intent the galaxy would've stayed irrevesibly screwed. As it is it's only 98% screwed.

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Posté 19 septembre 2012 - 11:11

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I don't know if anyone else here is a Tolkien fan but the next Hobbit trailer was released and it is awesome

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Posté 19 septembre 2012 - 11:16

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I sure picked a hell of a day to not go on BSN.

The Doctors retire, Omega DLC is announced and a new Mass Effect game is in the works.

My timing be bad, yo.

Modifié par BringBackNihlus, 19 septembre 2012 - 11:17 .

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Posté 19 septembre 2012 - 11:20

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BringBackNihlus wrote...
I sure picked a hell of a day to not go on BSN.

Could be worse. You could've been banned.

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Posté 19 septembre 2012 - 11:21

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hot_heart wrote...

BringBackNihlus wrote...
I sure picked a hell of a day to not go on BSN.

Could be worse. You could've been banned.


True.

Divine intervention, perhaps.

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Posté 19 septembre 2012 - 11:27

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CrutchCricket wrote...
Well I've made the point before that arguing over intent is useless without clarification from the source.

And like jtav pointed out, debates (the good ones anyway) tend to stick with in-game facts. If you go too far into headcanon land, you'll usually be called out on it.

In any case, given the ****pile we're left with I can safely say I don't give a rat's ass what Bioware's intent is.

If we accepted Bioware intent the galaxy would've stayed irrevesibly screwed. As it is it's only 98% screwed.

As you're probably aware, I'm not really arguing or disagreeing with you. But you've already acknowledged that BioWare was trying to 'balance' the endings, so negating certain factors as presented would be undermining their intent.

That's all I'm saying, really. Nothing against doing that, just that it's important to recognise that we all tend to play a little loose with certain factors or feel comfortable challenging BioWare's decisions based around such things. In regards to the original topic, it would be the altered representation of Cerberus (which has its clarification in an interview linked earlier).

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Posté 19 septembre 2012 - 11:34

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hot_heart wrote...

CrutchCricket wrote...
Well I've made the point before that arguing over intent is useless without clarification from the source.

And like jtav pointed out, debates (the good ones anyway) tend to stick with in-game facts. If you go too far into headcanon land, you'll usually be called out on it.

In any case, given the ****pile we're left with I can safely say I don't give a rat's ass what Bioware's intent is.

If we accepted Bioware intent the galaxy would've stayed irrevesibly screwed. As it is it's only 98% screwed.

As you're probably aware, I'm not really arguing or disagreeing with you. But you've already acknowledged that BioWare was trying to 'balance' the endings, so negating certain factors as presented would be undermining their intent.

That's all I'm saying, really. Nothing against doing that, just that it's important to recognise that we all tend to play a little loose with certain factors or feel comfortable challenging BioWare's decisions based around such things. In regards to the original topic, it would be the altered representation of Cerberus (which has its clarification in an interview linked earlier).


I wasn't really too upset with Cerberus going all the way bad. BW need their geth of ME/collectors of ME2 for ME3, and Cerberus was an easy target to do so. As I said earlier in the thread as well, I feel Cerberus' morality shift was foreshadowed (somewhat) in the ME2 mission reports; specifically the one after the derelict Reaper.

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Posté 19 septembre 2012 - 11:40

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Oh, no, we're talking about between ME1 and 2.

But on that topic, yes, I don't really have a problem with what happened with Cerberus in ME3 because it is, as you say, foreshadowed and it's indoctrination and all that (though, the massive increase in manpower and resources is...odd). And Miranda knew when to get out. I think some people just wished that things hadn't become so blunt. Of course, you'd have to completely rewrite the game for that, but I think a more subtle sort of betrayal would've been interesting to see. Have them as an uneasy (and unwanted?) ally. Perhaps have them try and infiltrate the Crucible project, something like that.

Modifié par hot_heart, 19 septembre 2012 - 11:42 .

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Posté 19 septembre 2012 - 11:40

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I accidentally stapled my finger tip. Where is that Miri Nurse Picture? lol

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Posté 19 septembre 2012 - 11:52

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hot_heart wrote...

Oh, no, we're talking about between ME1 and 2.

But on that topic, yes, I don't really have a problem with what happened with Cerberus in ME3 because it is, as you say, foreshadowed and it's indoctrination and all that. And Miranda knew when to get out. I think some people just wished that things hadn't become so blunt. Of course, you'd have to completely rewrite the game for that, but I think a more subtle sort of betrayal would've been interesting to see. Have them as an uneasy ally. Perhaps have them try and infiltrate the Crucible project, something like that.


My bad. Guess I wasn't paying attention.

There's some part of me that wanted an "Anakin" moment of ME3; it goes against the aura of Shepard, but yes, I mean Shepard gone bad. Of course, you find out Vader is a tragic hero in the end (well, the beginning, I guess), but my point still remains.

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Posté 20 septembre 2012 - 12:25

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Was my idea so bad that everyone left the thread?

...or is it a slow time for the Miranda thread, and I'm being paranoid?

Hmmm.

Modifié par BringBackNihlus, 20 septembre 2012 - 12:30 .

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Posté 20 septembre 2012 - 01:07

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BringBackNihlus wrote...

Was my idea so bad that everyone left the thread?

...or is it a slow time for the Miranda thread, and I'm being paranoid?

Hmmm.


It is pretty slow right now...

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Posté 20 septembre 2012 - 01:11

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BringBackNihlus wrote...

Was my idea so bad that everyone left the thread?

...or is it a slow time for the Miranda thread, and I'm being paranoid?

Hmmm.


Your idea was so bad, I retroactively deleted all my posts from today.

And, actually, yeah, I thought there would be a more pro cerberus way to play ME3 (though I paid little attention to development until a month before it came out) and I was suprised you were shoehorned out of cerberus so blatantly.

...Then again, I don't know how feasible a pro-cerberus shep would have been.  It might have had to be a totally different game?

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Posté 20 septembre 2012 - 01:37

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krukow wrote...

BringBackNihlus wrote...

Was my idea so bad that everyone left the thread?

...or is it a slow time for the Miranda thread, and I'm being paranoid?

Hmmm.


Your idea was so bad, I retroactively deleted all my posts from today.

And, actually, yeah, I thought there would be a more pro cerberus way to play ME3 (though I paid little attention to development until a month before it came out) and I was suprised you were shoehorned out of cerberus so blatantly.

...Then again, I don't know how feasible a pro-cerberus shep would have been.  It might have had to be a totally different game?


I think they could have broke it off at the Cerberus coup attempt. Of course, they would have needed more time to flesh both storylines out (Shepard staying with the Alliance or rejoining Cerberus), which they just didn't have.

...because reasons.

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Posté 20 septembre 2012 - 01:46

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MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

I accidentally stapled my finger tip. Where is that Miri Nurse Picture? lol


Image IPB

"Hey Luis...I heard you have a boo-boo....would you like me to make it all better?" 

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Posté 20 septembre 2012 - 01:54

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Well, I have a boo-boo too.

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Posté 20 septembre 2012 - 01:57

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BringBackNihlus wrote...

krukow wrote...

BringBackNihlus wrote...
Was my idea so bad that everyone left the thread?
...or is it a slow time for the Miranda thread, and I'm being paranoid?
Hmmm.


Your idea was so bad, I retroactively deleted all my posts from today.
And, actually, yeah, I thought there would be a more pro cerberus way to play ME3 (though I paid little attention to development until a month before it came out) and I was suprised you were shoehorned out of cerberus so blatantly.
...Then again, I don't know how feasible a pro-cerberus shep would have been.  It might have had to be a totally different game?

I think they could have broke it off at the Cerberus coup attempt. Of course, they would have needed more time to flesh both storylines out (Shepard staying with the Alliance or rejoining Cerberus), which they just didn't have.
...because reasons.

. Because art!!!!

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Posté 20 septembre 2012 - 01:59

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BringBackNihlus wrote...

Well, I have a boo-boo too.


"Oh, dammit. Alright, come here BBN."

(I do get the reference btw. ;))

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Posté 20 septembre 2012 - 01:59

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Well this thread slowed down today

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Posté 20 septembre 2012 - 02:03

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dtrain24 wrote...

BringBackNihlus wrote...

Well, I have a boo-boo too.


"Oh, dammit. Alright, come here BBN."

(I do get the reference btw. ;))


I'm glad you get the reference, but I wasn't aware I made one. Maybe I'm...losing my touch.

Speaking of Boo Boo, has anyone watched "Here Comes Honey Boo Boo" yet?

Greatest show of all-time, tbh.

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Posté 20 septembre 2012 - 02:05

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dtrain24 wrote...

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

I accidentally stapled my finger tip. Where is that Miri Nurse Picture? lol


Image IPB

"Hey Luis...I heard you have a boo-boo....would you like me to make it all better?" 


<3:innocent:<3

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Posté 20 septembre 2012 - 02:05

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I think Dtrain and bringbacknhilus are about to make out. That'll liven up the thread!

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Posté 20 septembre 2012 - 02:06

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krukow wrote...

I think Dtrain and bringbacknhilus are about to make out. That'll liven up the thread!


Only if Dtrain has a pretty mouth.

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Posté 20 septembre 2012 - 02:07

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krukow wrote...

I think Dtrain and bringbacknhilus are about to make out. That'll liven up the thread!

. Someone cause controversy!:bandit:

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Posté 20 septembre 2012 - 02:08

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BringBackNihlus wrote...

krukow wrote...

I think Dtrain and bringbacknhilus are about to make out. That'll liven up the thread!


Only if Dtrain has a pretty mouth.


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