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[Dragon_Claw]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Watching DVD's makes me hate compression artifacts.

****ing insane.

I want a 35mm projector in my home.

BUY IT FOR ME!

EDIT: And I got TOP MIRI.




Hmmm, kinda Andy Warholesk...

Modifié par Dragon_Claw, 20 septembre 2012 - 03:50 .

[Taboo]

I hate Onions.

But I love Funions.

[Taboo]

Dragon_Claw wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Watching DVD's makes me hate compression artifacts.

****ing insane.

I want a 35mm projector in my home.

BUY IT FOR ME!

Dawg that is my dream goal. Can you imagine date night?

No compression artifacts

*fans self*

[ghost9191]

katcrave wrote...

ghost9191 wrote...

Playing ME 3 makes me hate Cerberus, for various raisins

Although i am interested in your reasons fiendishchicken

Playing ME3 makes me hate raisins too!

well as long as we are all aware i was referencing futurama <_< and just like that i killed my own joke:innocent:

Modifié par ghost9191, 20 septembre 2012 - 03:56 .

[krukow]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Dragon_Claw wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Watching DVD's makes me hate compression artifacts.

****ing insane.

I want a 35mm projector in my home.

BUY IT FOR ME!

Dawg that is my dream goal. Can you imagine date night?

No compression artifacts

*fans self*

I don't know what that is, and I don't care.

Projectors retain lousy quality over time.

Blu-ray FTW.

[Taboo]

krukow wrote...

I don't know what that is, and I don't care.

Projectors retain lousy quality over time.

Blu-ray FTW.

Blu-Ray gives you the quality of a film being screened through a projector. Compression artifacts are things like pixelation.

Ever notice how big an improvement Blu-Ray is over DVD? Less compression of the files.

Magnificent.

[wright1978]

fiendishchicken wrote...

Playing ME3 makes me hate the alliance.

Yep, i'm with you there.

[krukow]

wright1978 wrote...

fiendishchicken wrote...

Playing ME3 makes me hate the alliance.

Yep, i'm with you there.

That's because you're all indoctrinated.

Actually, honest question:  given how rampant indoctrination is in Cerberus in ME3, do you think Miranda was exposed to any given her decade(s?) there?  Obvsiously she never goes proreaper and is fine in the end, but do you think she ever has some slight affect from it?

[Taboo]

I think that most people have some degree of it. Garrus, Tali, Liara, Grunt.

All of them.

Strong willed people resist easier. Miranda would be harder to Indoctrinate than say...Conrad Verner.

I think one of the cut dialogues actually revealed that Shepard was immune to Indoctrination. He was a unique organic.

[wright1978]

krukow wrote...

That's because you're all indoctrinated.

Actually, honest question:  given how rampant indoctrination is in Cerberus in ME3, do you think Miranda was exposed to any given her decade(s?) there?  Obvsiously she never goes proreaper and is fine in the end, but do you think she ever has some slight affect from it?

No as far as i'm concerned the indotcrination of Cerberus troops is a recent strategy of TIM, just as the execution of his scientists is a recent action.  Now he's gone off the reservation so to speak he needs to try and clean house of anyone who might not agree with his vision and ensure there's no chance of the rest rebelling.

[Steelcan]

wright1978 wrote...

krukow wrote...

That's because you're all indoctrinated.

Actually, honest question:  given how rampant indoctrination is in Cerberus in ME3, do you think Miranda was exposed to any given her decade(s?) there?  Obvsiously she never goes proreaper and is fine in the end, but do you think she ever has some slight affect from it?

No as far as i'm concerned the indotcrination of Cerberus troops is a recent strategy of TIM, just as the execution of his scientists is a recent action.  Now he's gone off the reservation so to speak he needs to try and clean house of anyone who might not agree with his vision and ensure there's no chance of the rest rebelling.

. Indoctrination of Cerberus makes more sense of the base is kept intact

[hot_heart]

Dragon_Claw wrote...
EDIT: And I got TOP MIRI.

*awesome pics*

Nice! Thanks for sharing.

[CrutchCricket]

Just finished ME.

I have to say the most satisfying moment was watching Sovereign blow up...conventionally. Using outdated 3-year old weaponry at that.

[Taboo]

I don't know.

TIM wanted the tech in ME2. I believe one of the last images you see if everyone dies in the Suicide Mission is of Cerberus Ships going through the relay.

He's been slowly Indoctrinated for twenty years. The next step was Indoctrinating his troops.

[Steelcan]

Taboo-XX wrote...

I don't know.

TIM wanted the tech in ME2. I believe one of the last images you see if everyone dies in the Suicide Mission is of Cerberus Ships going through the relay.

He's been slowly Indoctrinated for twenty years. The next step was Indoctrinating his troops.

. Then why is he actively anti reaper in ME2 and the beginning of ME3

[hot_heart]

Steelcan wrote...
Then why is he actively anti reaper in ME2 and the beginning of ME3

Because he's resisting to a certain extent.

Plus, he's not anti-Reaper at the start of ME3. He's already been indoctrinating his troops.

Modifié par hot_heart, 20 septembre 2012 - 04:32 .

[Taboo]

Steelcan wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

I don't know.

TIM wanted the tech in ME2. I believe one of the last images you see if everyone dies in the Suicide Mission is of Cerberus Ships going through the relay.

He's been slowly Indoctrinated for twenty years. The next step was Indoctrinating his troops.

. Then why is he actively anti reaper in ME2 and the beginning of ME3

One might easily perceive it as a facade. I wouldn't put it past him. He does it during the course of the game and it upsets Miranda visibly on the Collector Ship.

When I read that he was using Reaper Tech in a novel some years ago after LotSB came out I knew where he was headed.

[Steelcan]

hot_heart wrote...

Steelcan wrote...
Then why is he actively anti reaper in ME2 and the beginning of ME3

Because he's resisting to a certain extent.

Plus, he's not anti-Reaper at the start of ME3. He's already been indoctrinating his troops.

. I think he did that to fight the Reapers, but he couldn't control the signal once the reapers arrived, hence Cerberus attack on Benning nd work at Sanctuary to use the signal

[Steelcan]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...
I don't know.

TIM wanted the tech in ME2. I believe one of the last images you see if everyone dies in the Suicide Mission is of Cerberus Ships going through the relay.
He's been slowly Indoctrinated for twenty years. The next step was Indoctrinating his troops.

. Then why is he actively anti reaper in ME2 and the beginning of ME3

One might easily perceive it as a facade. I wouldn't put it past him. He does it during the course of the game and it upsets Miranda visibly on the Collector Ship.
When I read that he was using Reaper Tech in a novel some years ago after LotSB came out I knew where he was headed.

. Maybe in ME3 but in ME2 he is definitely opposing the reapers

[ghost9191]

Modifié par ghost9191, 20 septembre 2012 - 04:38 .

[Taboo]

Javik states that the Reapers Indoctrinate one splinter cell every cycle.

What does that Indoctrinated group want? Control.

TIM and Cerberus are nothing more than a long, long plot to do this. He's been a puppet for twenty years.

[lillitheris]

flemm wrote...

lillitheris wrote...
The view that Miranda’s somehow involved in this organization—but not really, just the nice parts, and she doesn’t really even know about anything else—and that it has no bearing on her character…that is simplistic.

This is merely a strawman, at least as far as any recent conversation on the topic is concerned.

No one has made this argument. You are arguing against a simplistic idea that no one has asserted.

Interpretations differ, but *everyone* agrees that it is important to Miranda's character, and generally that it should be more important than it ever was in ME3.

I disagree, I think several people assert exactly that. Almost in the exact words, too.

lillitheris wrote...

@flemm: I’ll drop it here, but it’s funny that you argue against something being simplistic, since I’m
specifically trying to argue against a simplistic view of Cerberus as a ‘gray’ organization. Yes, simplistic. Just  because it’s ‘gray’ doesn’t make it complex, it just removes the need to reconcile the various aspects. Just say ‘gray’ and all is well. It’s ‘gray’ and therefore one thing can be one way while another is the  complete
opposite. That’s simplification, not complexity. It’s label that avoids actually thinking about the complexity.

At no point in this discussion have I presented the view you are describing here.

Good. As I said just below that part, that may or may not be what your view is. It’s only the view that I seek to argue against—along with the other specific arguments I stated earlier.

If you have no problem with those arguments, then…

Modifié par lillitheris, 20 septembre 2012 - 04:39 .

[Stalker]

TIM was never "slowly getting indoctrinated". He was fully aware of what he was doing in ME2 when he stopped the Reapers again.

He just turned insane, seeking for the power the Reapers have and that lead him to implant Reaper tech. First in his troops, then in himself. Latter part is where he lost control, not slowly in the back of his head for 20 years.

Modifié par Mr Massakka, 20 septembre 2012 - 04:41 .

[fiendishchicken]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

I don't know.

TIM wanted the tech in ME2. I believe one of the last images you see if everyone dies in the Suicide Mission is of Cerberus Ships going through the relay.

He's been slowly Indoctrinated for twenty years. The next step was Indoctrinating his troops.

. Then why is he actively anti reaper in ME2 and the beginning of ME3

One might easily perceive it as a facade. I wouldn't put it past him. He does it during the course of the game and it upsets Miranda visibly on the Collector Ship.

When I read that he was using Reaper Tech in a novel some years ago after LotSB came out I knew where he was headed.

I don't believe it's a facade. I think he is genuinely anti-reaper. They're just starting to twist him as they get closer until he is obsessed with controlling them as a means to stopping them instead of outright destroying them. And he is right. They can be controlled with the crucible. But should they? 

Cerberus were the only ones who opposed the Reapers. If Shepard had it his way, he'd be working with them while having the Council and the alliance come grovelling at his feet. My Shepard is a big "I told you so kind of person". After the Reapers are destroyed and his true opinions made public, he makes an alliance admiral get on his knee's and beg for his forgiveness. He makes it clear that the alliance owes him and the galaxy.

[Ieldra]

hot_heart wrote...

Steelcan wrote...
Then why is he actively anti reaper in ME2 and the beginning of ME3

Because he's resisting to a certain extent.

Plus, he's not anti-Reaper at the start of ME3. He's already been indoctrinating his troops.

That's not necessarily connected. He can be anti-Reaper and still Indoctrinating his troops. Besides we know the indoctrination was a side effect of the upgrades he gave his soldiers, not a sign of being under Reaper influence. Remember the conversation:

Scientist: "I'm concerned about the side effects. Some of them are already hearing voices."
TIM: "When our research at Sanctuary pays off, the only voice they'll hear is ours."

I think he was genuinely anti-Reaper until he got himself implanted. The Reapers may have gained some foothold in his mind in the twenty-five years since ME:Evolution, but his words in the conversation on Thessia are pretty clear. There's nothing of the justification of Reaper actions we see in Saren, for instance. Or in Kenson. 

Modifié par Ieldra2, 20 septembre 2012 - 04:45 .