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[ghost9191]

i thought kasumi fans and mirimancers got along. sad times for bsn , sad times indeed

Modifié par ghost9191, 21 septembre 2012 - 04:04 .

[CrutchCricket]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Of course it's one sided but the hostility that you show towards the side that is shown looks very strange to a lot of people. It will not disappear. Ever. No amount of DLC will "fix" some of the issues you have with her now.

Of course it can. The mere hint that Miranda is doing something for the greater good (*chants the greater good) would go a long way to restoring that balance.

It won't be an ideal solution in that it would likely be a text patch in the form of an email or an off hand remark as opposed to seeing her do it or talk about it but it would be a fix nonetheless.

[CrutchCricket]

kratos0294 wrote...

Terrorize69 wrote...

Now I see what the cause of the fighting was the other day between Kasumi fans and Mimancers..

There were fightings between Kasumi fans and mirimancers ?

First I hear of it.

Kasumi fans are not at all militant. And Kasumi hate is practically non-existant (minor trolling aside).

Besides, we're not fighters. We're infiltrators. We are among you even now.

[flemm]

Ieldra2 wrote...
You know, I'm beginning to resent being misrepresented like that.

I understand your views, and can also understand why you would be tired of being misrepresented.

It does happen for a reason, though.

The reason is: your first reflex is to take a fairly adversarial/confrontational approach to discussions about sensitive topics. So, you tend to get the same type of response in return.

Basically: your style tends to rub people the wrong way. It doesn't bother me because I work in academia, where being a hyper-opinionated, over-educated, egotistical ******, with interesting, unorthodox ideas is the rule, rather than the exception.

I share a lot of those qualities, for what it's worth

I just make more of an effort to hide the "egotistical ******" part of my identity on internet forums. Hence the "THRONE OF LIES."

You should try it

Modifié par flemm, 21 septembre 2012 - 04:22 .

[spirosz]

Just because it's not shown in game, doesn't mean it's not there, that's why I think it's best to believe (obviously, it's up to you) that Miranda still has those ideals that we were exposed to through ME2 and that she is not just focusing on family and romance, but again she has changed and it is up to you and how you want to view those changes. Obviously, this ties in on how you view the content, but if you'd rather it be shown in the game, then I don't know - there are obvious limitations in gaming and not every character can get the same type of treatment, but that doesn't mean those qualities aren't present in the universe itself.

There are the obvious cases of character railroading; Jacob, but I don't believe Miranda went through the same thing.

Modifié par spirosz, 21 septembre 2012 - 04:31 .

[Taboo]

^ My point exactly. There is no grand plot to **** people over. It's just bad. I know that at the end of the day Miranda still wants to help humanity. That's why I'm not angry. We can always use more but I won't fall over dead because of the content now.

Pictures!

[jtav]

Actually, if it isn't shown in the game, it isn't there. That's one of the ways fictional people differ from actual people. If Miranda doesn't express something when you would normally expect it to be expressed--like, say, a condemnation of Cerberus and a desire to bring them down--that it isn't there. Can I add it without much trouble? Sure. But it really should be in the game. And Miranda's actual, non-incidental contribution to the war effort shouldn't be shown in a text file.

[Taboo]

Is it THAT big of a problem for some of you? You have a limited role here. Talk to the other people here. No one is satisfied with the ME2 cast in ME3. The Jack people don't have closure. The Thane and Jacob people certainly don't have it. Nothing is really well rounded.

[Skullheart]

If it's not in the game, it never happened. They made that pretty clear with the favored characters. All their content is in the game or in comics, no loose ends for them.

[Lawrence0294]

Picture for unrustling Jimmies

[krukow]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Is it THAT big of a problem for some of you? You have a limited role here. Talk to the other people here. No one is satisfied with the ME2 cast in ME3. The Jack people don't have closure. The Thane and Jacob people certainly don't have it. Nothing is really well rounded.

The thane people have plenty of closure, they just hate it.

[jtav]

Big deal? Yes and no. I've moved on with m life and am downloading games on GOG and awaiting Project: Eternity. But if you asked me why I moved on, Miranda's treatment, the ethos behind it, and the belief it will remain unfixed, is a major reason for that.

[wright1978]

jtav wrote...

Actually, if it isn't shown in the game, it isn't there. That's one of the ways fictional people differ from actual people. If Miranda doesn't express something when you would normally expect it to be expressed--like, say, a condemnation of Cerberus and a desire to bring them down--that it isn't there. Can I add it without much trouble? Sure. But it really should be in the game. And Miranda's actual, non-incidental contribution to the war effort shouldn't be shown in a text file.

Yep exactly this. The limitations of her reduced role have no bearing on the complete absence of this. It is clear someone's sole interest was in using Miranda as tragic tear fodder and hence her one sided, chock full of filler content. That e-mail gives me a lifebelt to hang onto but doesn't stop me from being annoyed at the lack of some of the basic content that should be in Miranda's role.

[Taboo]

THERE'S TOO MUCH LIGHT EXPOSURE.

As for not being in the game that's a load of nonsense.

[Skullheart]

Taboo-XX wrote...

As for not being in the game that's a load of nonsense.

They call it artistic integrity.

[Taboo]

wright1978 wrote...

Yep exactly this. The limitations of her reduced role have no bearing on the complete absence of this. It is clear someone's sole interest was in using Miranda as tragic tear fodder and hence her one sided, chock full of filler content. That e-mail gives me a lifebelt to hang onto but doesn't stop me from being annoyed at the lack of some of the basic content that should be in Miranda's role.

You can't prove any of that. I'm more inclined to believe in this instance that people don't like the other half and are reacting accordingly. Going back and looking at some of the reactions from a few years ago I'm more inclined to believe it. Some of the reactions to the dossiers are downright disturbing.

The irony against said people however is downright hilarious.

Both sides to be represented but only one is constantly bemoaned by certain people here.

[flemm]

Honestly, Miranda's "ideals" are the least of my concerns. Yes, she should have some, and talk about them.

But I've already outlined my concerns at great length, so now it's really just a matter of supporting a more balanced portrayal and hoping it happens.

I shouldn't only see this in a flashback:

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Modifié par flemm, 21 septembre 2012 - 05:10 .

[Skullheart]

still can't see the pic flemm xD. You should try tinypic

[Caihn]

If people want more than a Miranda rescuing her sister, they should ask for more content instead of disparaging what's already in the game.

And I'm certainly one of the most disappointed here because I expected more than just a Cerberus and Oriana arc for Miranda in ME3.

[flemm]

Skullheart wrote...

still can't see the pic flemm xD. You should try tinypic

Yeah, I fixed it with the gif.

But anyway my point is: ideals? Yeah, ok, but let's start with energy, drive, ambition, a sense of mystery and challenge. That is what the flashback captures.

How about, intelligence and enthusiasm, like we are seeing here:



I don't need an affidavit about "ideals." I need Miranda's *personality* to be complete and well-rounded.

Modifié par flemm, 21 septembre 2012 - 05:15 .

[krukow]

flemm wrote...

Skullheart wrote...

still can't see the pic flemm xD. You should try tinypic

Yeah, I fixed it with the gif.

But anyway my point is: ideals? Yeah, ok, but let's start with energy, drive, ambition, a sense of mystery and challenge. That is what the flashback captures.

How about: intelligence and enthusiasm, like we are seeing here:



I don't need an affidavit about "ideals." I need Miranda's *personality* to be complete and well-rounded.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but she's working with alliance personel here, right?

So suck it alliance haters, Miri's all about human military!

[Taboo]

She hasn't lost anything. You have a limited role. Limited resources. You ram in what is only absolutely essential and don't consider anything else. Two or three lines about Cerberus wouldn't fix people's issues here.

It's just bad just like a lot of things in ME3.

[Ieldra]

@Taboo:
Well, yes. I bemoan the lack of the side I consider more important. Because you know, I can have female characters fitting the conventional role model any day, and I liked Miranda not because she was cold, but because she went against that stereotype, because she was controversial in several ways, and still someone you could get close to. I liked her LM in ME2 because it brought balance, it showed she wasn't one-sided in the aspects I liked in her. But nonetheless, I've always seen the professional side, the one who cared about things bigger than herself, as the core of her, something that made her different from the conventional types, without which she wouldn't be the same character. It was what made me want to romance her in the first place.

And of course the complaints are one-sided. The other side is present, so there's really nothing to complain about.

As for LotSB, that's where things started to go downhill. Please note: I like, I *really* like the side she showed in the LM. That I always make her speak to her sister should be evidence enough that I don't want her restricted to the cold and detached side. In the dossier, well..... It's not about cold vs. emotional. It's the increasing pre-eminence of a traditionalist viewpoint in her presentation that bothers me.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 21 septembre 2012 - 05:31 .

[Ieldra]

Taboo-XX wrote...
She hasn't lost anything. You have a limited role. Limited resources. You ram in what is only absolutely essential and don't consider anything else. Two or three lines about Cerberus wouldn't fix people's issues here.

Repeat it often enough and I may start to believe you
I want it to be so. It's just not so easy to believe with almost no evidence.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 21 septembre 2012 - 05:32 .

[Taboo]

Ieldra2 wrote...

@Taboo:
Well, yes. I bemoan the lack of the side I consider more important. Because you know, I can have female characters fitting the conventional role model any day, and I liked Miranda not because she was cold, but because she went against that stereotype, because she was controversial in several ways, and still someone you could get close to. I liked her LM in ME2 because it brought balance, it showed she wasn't one-sided in the aspects I liked in her. But nonetheless, I've always seen the professional side, the one who cared about things bigger than herself, as the core of her, something that made her different from the conventional types, without which she wouldn't be the same character. It was what made me want to romance her in the first place.

And of course the complaints are one-sided. The other side is present, so there's really nothing to complain about.

As for LotSB, that's where things started to go downhill. Please note: I like, I *really* like the side she showed in the LM. In the dossier, well..... It's not about cold vs. emotional. It's the increasing pre-eminence of a traditionalist viewpoint in her presentation that bothers me.

That's just the thing though. I don't see that in the Dossiers. What I do see is someone who has a very difficult time understanding how people work. That isn't a conservative/traditionalist/fundamental anything. That's liberal or even leftist in some cases where I come from especially given her other half.

She's the loyalist who mellows out. That's an incredibly common story trope especially in Science Fiction.

You're never going to see the side you prefer be treated as optimal.

Do you know what happens to those characters in Leftist films?

They die.