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[Steelcan]

Did I miss any important issues or debate today?

[krukow]

o Ventus wrote...

krukow wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

And...? You have a problem with making your point, I'll admit that up front. Never mind that-

A). The inclusion of the VS breaks Bioware's own logic.
. Vega is the least necessary inclusion in the game, regardless of individual preference.

that is so dumb I think I just had a mini-stroke.

And Vega was for the new players.  It's annoying that they're trying to attract new players in a third game, but that's why he's there.  Miranda couldn't have fulfilled that role.

All of the ME2 cast and Wrex don't join "because they could be dead".

Tali, Garrus, Kaidan, and Ashley all join up despite this.

If you aren't seeing the double standard, you need glasses.

the VS can't be dead.

One of them is, but as a rule, one of them is alive.  A VS character is part of ME3, for most of the game (if you're not dumb evil).  So both characters could be written in.  It's not the same.  If an ME2 character is dead, there's no squadmate to stand in for them.

I don't care about Tali or Garrus, but they do violate the logic.

[Taboo]

Yes. We laid down what everyone wanted and came to a consensus.

Some are simply more upset than others.

[krukow]

Taboo-XX wrote...It's just OOC.

I like my Shepard to have a sense of humor. There are some downright hilarious Renegade options in ME2.

What are they like in ME3?

"Everyone dies alone."

I wanted a troll not Arthur Schopenhauer.

They're needed to be a way to laugh at Joker's Thessia joke, or at least not go ape**** angry.

1.  It was funny.
2.  Humor is how people deal with terrible situations sometimes.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

<3:wub:

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 22 septembre 2012 - 02:08 .

[o Ventus]

krukow wrote...

the VS can't be dead.

If you're going to debate me, at least do so without misconstruing my post or twisting the words.

One of them is, but as a rule, one of them is alive.  A VS character is part of ME3, for most of the game (if you're not dumb evil).  So both characters could be written in.

Not the point. 

It's not the same.  If an ME2 character is dead, there's no squadmate to stand in for them.

Other than not-Mordin Padok Wiks, not-Thane Kirrahe, not-Grunt Urdnot Dagg, etc. The only character without anyone to replace them is Garrus, IIRC.

Modifié par o Ventus, 22 septembre 2012 - 02:13 .

[Taboo]

krukow wrote...

They're needed to be a way to laugh at Joker's Thessia joke, or at least not go ape**** angry.

1.  It was funny.
2.  Humor is how people deal with terrible situations sometimes.

I don't know. Sometimes it was in character.

Like punching the Admiral. Or stabbing Kai Leng. Or telling the Prothean VI that my Shepard would stop the Reapers.

And taking the Renegade option with Henry Lawson.

That one is definetly in character.

[o Ventus]

Taboo-XX wrote...

I don't know. Sometimes it was in character.

Like punching the Admiral. Or stabbing Kai Leng. Or telling the Prothean VI that my Shepard would stop the Reapers.

And taking the Renegade option with Henry Lawson.

That one is definetly in character.

Kai Leng is always stabbed. The renegade interrupt only has Shepard smash his ninjato (I assume that's a ninjato) before doing it. Everything else is the same as if you ignored the interrupt.

But yeah, the renegade dialogue (I assume you mean dialogue, not the interrupt) with Henry Lawson is awesome.

Modifié par o Ventus, 22 septembre 2012 - 02:18 .

[Taboo]

Oh yeah. I'm not shooting Oriana. I'm referring to the dialouge. For those who don't know he essentially tells him that if he tries something funny **** will go bad real fast.

This is a Ninjato.



They are not based historically. At least preliminary research states this.

[katcrave]

One of the things I liked about DAII was being able to snark your way through the game. I miss the middle option on the wheel.

Sometimes the Renegade choices fit my Shepherd. Sometimes the Paragon ones do. But most of the time he just sounds crazy. And stupid. Auto-dialogue ftw.

[krukow]

o Ventus wrote...


Other than not-Mordin Padok Wiks, not-Thane Kirrahe, not-Grunt Urdnot Dagg, etc. The only character without anyone to replace them is Garrus, IIRC.

That is the point.  They're a known entity.  One is dead, one is alive.

Therefor, you can write the Mars mission and one of them will be there to get curbstomped by EDI (), and then later one of them will be there for the coup scene.

You can't do that with Miranda because she could be dead.  You can't write a specific scene with her in mind, because she might not be there.

And yes, I'll agree that they overlooked this for Tali/Garrus, I'm not defending their inclusion.  And I agree, Miranda should have been included.  However, the VS doesn't "violate" bioware's logic, they actually work very well in that regard.

Plus, Ash/Kaidan were better characters for the third game.  Shep isn't a terrorist cerberus employee anymore.  He's an alliance soldier again.  Ash/Kaidan make more sense as an XO.

[Taboo]

katcrave wrote...

One of the things I liked about DAII was being able to snark your way through the game. I miss the middle option on the wheel.

Sometimes the Renegade choices fit my Shepherd. Sometimes the Paragon ones do. But most of the time he just sounds crazy. And stupid. Auto-dialogue ftw.

We all know that feel ma'am.

That ****ing feel.

[krukow]

BringBackNihlus wrote...

katcrave wrote...

One of the things I liked about DAII was being able to snark your way through the game. I miss the middle option on the wheel.

Sometimes the Renegade choices fit my Shepherd. Sometimes the Paragon ones do. But most of the time he just sounds crazy. And stupid. Auto-dialogue ftw.

Auto-dialogue.

The bane of my existence, it be.

Your Shep is in love with Liara.  Get over it

[Taboo]

That's not funny krukow.

Not in the slightest.

[Steelcan]

krukow wrote...

BringBackNihlus wrote...

katcrave wrote...

One of the things I liked about DAII was being able to snark your way through the game. I miss the middle option on the wheel.
Sometimes the Renegade choices fit my Shepherd. Sometimes the Paragon ones do. But most of the time he just sounds crazy. And stupid. Auto-dialogue ftw.

Auto-dialogue.
The bane of my existence, it be.

Your Shep is in love with Liara.  Get over it

. The worst part of ME3, Liara T'soni

Modifié par Steelcan, 22 septembre 2012 - 02:41 .

[krukow]

Steelcan wrote... .The worst part of ME3, Liara T'soni

Star child is not amused by this statement.

[Taboo]

krukow wrote...

Steelcan wrote... .The worst part of ME3, Liara T'soni

Star child is not amused by this statement.

[o Ventus]

krukow wrote...

That is the point.  They're a known entity.  One is dead, one is alive.

Yet they both get a "substantial" (I use that word very loosely) amount of content, despite either of them being potential casualties. Strictly speaking, Wrex is far less likely to be dead than either VS, since there is a lower number of times where Wrex can be killed, but he isn't a squadmate either.

You can't do that with Miranda because she could be dead.  You can't write a specific scene with her in mind, because she might not be there.

Oh please. Behind Jacob and Grunt (I think it was, Jacob and somebody else, whatever), Miranda has the highest survival rate for the suicide mission. You have to try to get her killed. Never mind that writing a sceneassuming a character is alive wouldn't be too difficult anyway, given how many people have "perfect" ME2 playthroughs (meaning, they don't go full retard on the suicide mission and kill everybody).

Plus, Ash/Kaidan were better characters for the third game.

Yeah, those trust issues really stuck on me. Really got to me when Ashley suggested that I could be brainwashed by Cerberus, or when she made the comparison between Shepard and the dead Cerberus trooper on Mars.

Ash/Kaidan make more sense as an XO.

 

Yup. Other than the whole "pulling a gun on a superior officer" thing, and the "getting totally wasted on a military vessel".

Modifié par o Ventus, 22 septembre 2012 - 02:49 .

[Taboo]

What about Kai Leng?

[Taboo]

He's simply a Phantom that won't die. It's absurd that my Shepard can beat the **** out of him and still ****ing lose.

[o Ventus]

BringBackNihlus wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

What about Kai Leng?

I could deal with that poser as long as Harbinger was heavily featured in the endings.

But he was! He was there for a whole 37 seconds! He said 2 whole words to Shepard (I think those were words, anyway)!

Modifié par o Ventus, 22 septembre 2012 - 02:47 .