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[Steelcan]

Taboo-XX wrote...

He can't troll in ME3 though. Much to my disappointment.

. Note the psychopath option:bandit:

[ghost9191]

Steelcan wrote...

ghost9191 wrote...

same, never really thought about selling legion. but would prefer that to the whole " this unit have a soul" and tali responding with a yes. where the hell is my renegade interrupt to say no and shoot again , not that that is my belief but would still think that would be a good interrupt

but i do play through as paragade, try to do the right thing, based on right and wrong, but sometimes you have to make the hard choices to save the many

. It's ok to comfort him in his dying moments

NO IT'S NOT

joke btw, just saying that it would be a good renegade interrupt

Modifié par ghost9191, 23 septembre 2012 - 06:50 .

[Taboo]

flemm wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...
I'm simply trying to make a point. Sometimes being hasty and pragmatic is not prefereable. Sometimes relying on certain doubts IS the right choice.

Actually, the point that's often made is that the game should probably reward different kinds of choices situationally, whereas it tends to reward the "feel good" choice and punish the more rational, pragmatic choice very frequently, or offer less of a reward for it.

It achieves the exact same effect in all three games. Paragon or Renegade makes no difference.

Renegade is not evil. I hope that wasn't the implication you were getting from my post as it wasn't my intention.

Modifié par Taboo-XX, 23 septembre 2012 - 06:51 .

[flemm]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Renegade is not evil. I hope that wasn't the implication you were getting from my post as it wasn't my intention.

No, not at all. I wasn't even really disagreeing with the point you were making (though I guess it may have come across that way).

I don't think I've ever not activated Legion, for example. But... that's partly because I like Legion well enough, and also because I'm meta-gaming and I know that's probably going to be the better thing to do:happy:

[Taboo]

flemm wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Renegade is not evil. I hope that wasn't the implication you were getting from my post as it wasn't my intention.

No, not at all. I wasn't even really disagreeing with the point you were making (though I guess it may have come across that way).

I don't think I've ever not activated Legion, for example. But... that's partly because I like Legion well enough, and also because I'm meta-gaming and I know that's probably going to be the better thing to do:happy:

I'm well aware of how bad games are in the morality department. They simply play into emotions as it's more marketable. They do the same thing in film. I can't tell you how often I put my face in my hands when watching certain films.

That's one of the reasons the endings anger so many people. It doesn't function on that logic.

I can't stand it because of the narrative contrivances.

[t3HPrO]

I dunno...it just seemed like Bioware purposely designed paragon to be a pushover, and renegade to be a size 9002 mega jerkdick. I just wish the choices could've been less 'one extreme to the other'.

[David7204]

How is Shepard a pushover as a Paragon...?

[Steelcan]

Taboo-XX wrote...

I'm well aware of how bad games are in the morality department. They simply play into emotions as it's more marketable. They do the same thing in film. I can't tell you how often I put my face in my hands when watching certain films.

That's one of the reasons the endings anger so many people. It doesn't function on that logic.

I can't stand it because of the narrative contrivances.

. Which films?  Just curious.  And I agree with the narrative problems with the endings.  I don't mind it being bittersweet or anything, but really a ghost/AI/Child/God

[Steelcan]

David7204 wrote...

How is Shepard a pushover as a Paragon...?

. He's a boy scout. Never does nothing morally ambiguous and is always rewarded for being naive and blindly trusting of strangers

[Taboo]

Steelcan wrote...
. Which films?  Just curious.  And I agree with the narrative problems with the endings.  I don't mind it being bittersweet or anything, but really a ghost/AI/Child/God

War films are the biggest offenders in the United States. They're usually very one sided, to the point that the other side isn't even human anymore.

[David7204]

Shepard isn't rewarded out of luck. S/he's rewarded because she's a competent and capable person.

And as for trusting people...that's what an Ideal Hero does.

[Taboo]

David7204 wrote...

Shepard isn't rewarded out of luck. S/he's rewarded because she's a competent and capable person.

And as for trusting people...that's what an Ideal Hero does.

DANN SIND WIR HELDEN NUR DIESEN TAG!

[ghost9191]

which is what i am saying, i do dislike that there is no paragon ending, would be nice but understand and accept that there isn't . no war is without sacrifice as said, and that goes with all choices, destroy is just more straightforward , the others are unknown, but can guess


but why i play as paragade, don't make my choices on blue or red , but right and wrong, and what needs to be done. sometimes you have to make the hard decisions

[Steelcan]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Steelcan wrote...
. Which films?  Just curious.  And I agree with the narrative problems with the endings.  I don't mind it being bittersweet or anything, but really a ghost/AI/Child/God

War films are the biggest offenders in the United States. They're usually very one sided, to the point that the other side isn't even human anymore.

. Well most war films aren't supposed to tell the other side, that might make the audience have to think.

[Taboo]

But goody goodies are so boring. I mean, can't we appeal to the old American archetype of the Anti-Hero sometimes?

Modifié par Taboo-XX, 23 septembre 2012 - 07:08 .

[Lawrence0294]

Wait a minute.....i've seen this guy somewhere ?

[David7204]

People are way too easily impressed by "morally ambiguous" crap. In video games, 99% of the time it's due to idiocy on someone's part. It's much better in other media, but often still pretty lousy.

[Taboo]

That GIF only captures HALF of the mess that occurs in that hotel room.

[Taboo]

I don't know. I was reading about The Witcher yesterday and that sounded REALLY successful in that department.

[Steelcan]

Taboo-XX wrote...

But goody goodies are so boring. I mean, can't we appeal to the old American archetype of the Anti-Hero sometimes?

. Not in a war movie.  It's easier if the hero wears a white hat, Anericans are not great with moral shades of grey. Some movies can pull it off, others, ie war movies, cannot

[Lawrence0294]

Taboo-XX wrote...

That GIF only captures HALF of the mess that occurs in that hotel room.

Poor Blanche......

[Taboo]

The Thin Red Line does it just fine. No one has any real idea why they're fighting such a pointless war.

That's a great film.

[Lawrence0294]

My favourit war film is "Letters from Iwo Jima".

Eastwood nailed it to perfection.

[Dragon_Claw]

Platoon is my favorite of all time.

Oliver´s own personal experince. *breaths out*

[Steelcan]

kratos0294 wrote...

My favourit war film is "Letters from Iwo Jima".

Eastwood nailed it to perfection.

. That is a really good one.  But probably the main reason moral ambiguity is absent in American war films is because most take place in WW2. That was a warvAmerica definitely had moral superiority.  Before anyone whines about internment camps, Auswitch, Rape of Nanking> Internment camps