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[fiendishchicken]

Taboo-XX wrote...

They never confirmed it.

Use some ****ing head canon guys.

I mean seriously. She has a fibroid. Look this **** up.

I see it, and this is just me, and I am extrapolating it now as a symptom, not the actual cause.

As to why Miranda didn't have the fibroid removed, that's only something she would know. My guess is so that it would drive off her fans so they would switch over to Ashlely or Liara. Or at least, that's how I think Bioware intended it.

They wanted to show the perfect woman isn't so perfect, I guess.

[Taboo]

She isn't perfect. She never was. No one is.

She learns about it after she talks to her sister. She hasn't had time to have a grapefruit from her uterus.

Being on the run from Cerberus has a tendency to do that.

[Ieldra]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Like Miranda's infertility being supposedly not curable. Total BS.

It doesn't say anything of the sort.

Given the time frame in which she learns about it she hasn't much time to you know, fix it.

You can fix this issue NOW, like with real medicine.

It does say so, by implication. The medical report recommends adoption, not a cure. How should I take this - as the measurement of the doctor's incompetence?

Not that I accept it, btw.. As far as I'm concerned, it is curable. But as far as the writers are concerned, it clearly isn't meant to be.

Edit:
The cause is never confirmed. The doctor *speculates* it might be connected to her genetic modifications, but given the incompetence he shows elsewhere....

Modifié par Ieldra2, 24 septembre 2012 - 12:48 .

[Skullheart]

At least the doctor didn't recommend her to have an asari daugther.

[Taboo]

Ieldra2 wrote...

It does say so, by implication. The medical report recommends adoption, not a cure. How should I take this - as the measurement of the doctor's incompetence?

Not that I accept it, btw.. As far as I'm concerned, it is curable. But as far as the writers are concerned, it clearly isn't meant to be.

You're bringing Shepard back in Synthesis. I'd be incredibly disappointed in you if you just sat about and did nothing about it. 

However it says nothing about being incurable, simply that adoption is more viable. That happens in the real world as well.

I...did more research on the matter than I probably should have. 

[fiendishchicken]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

It does say so, by implication. The medical report recommends adoption, not a cure. How should I take this - as the measurement of the doctor's incompetence?

Not that I accept it, btw.. As far as I'm concerned, it is curable. But as far as the writers are concerned, it clearly isn't meant to be.

You're bringing Shepard back in Synthesis. I'd be incredibly disappointed in you if you just sat about and did nothing about it. 

However it says nothing about being incurable, simply that adoption is more viable. That happens in the real world as well.

I...did more research on the matter than I probably should have. 

It's true. But Bioware meant it as a stain on her character. But I'm not leaving Miranda for that. I don't think there's anything that can throw me away from her.

[Taboo]

I don't think we really know. You don't put information like that in something optional.

I'm more convinced it's simply a way of forcing sympathy. Seeing as most people who don't romance her think she's... unpleasant, showing that she has fertility issues is a sure fire way to invoke pity.

[Skullheart]

You still can have blue babies with the true LI. And she's the only character who has lines about childs in the romance (even if it was a joke).

Miranda was only cheat bait, a temptation to separate Shepard from his true love.

That is bioware (or rather super mac) thoughts about Miranda.

ME2 Miranda before LotSB still is awesome anyways.

[Taboo]

And yet she has no forced death, stays loyal to Shepard, and still gets the job done.

I refuse to let bad writing cloud my judgement. I'm not planning on looking for "plots" amongst meaningless data.

That'd make me the same as an IT person.

[Ieldra]

Skullheart wrote...
You still can have blue babies with the true LI. And she's the only character who has lines about childs in the romance (even if it was a joke).

Miranda was only cheat bait, a temptation to separate Shepard from his true love.

That is bioware (or rather super mac) thoughts about Miranda.

ME2 Miranda before LotSB still is awesome anyways.

I think you're correct that Mac Walters had an agenda here he wanted to push at the expense of all other possible LIs. But that wasn't the only influence, or Miranda's treatment would've been much worse. What she does isn't bad at all, it's just that her motivations are one-sided and that she was kept out of the place where her story arc should have had its conclusion.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 24 septembre 2012 - 01:17 .

[Taboo]

Looking back at my old notes from film school it says right here what NOT to do to invoke pity.

Poverty Porn (Making the protagonist poor)
Handicapped (Mental handicaps being the top one)

And look at the one I have circled. Fertility issues.

Miranda has survived all the way back to the 2011 E3 demo. The files have existed since then. There was no last minute plot to save the poor woman.

It's just pity pandering. Which is JUST as bad as forced symbolism.

[hot_heart]

Taboo-XX wrote...
I'm more convinced it's simply a way of forcing sympathy. Seeing as most people who don't romance her think she's... unpleasant, showing that she has fertility issues is a sure fire way to invoke pity.

As far as I'm concerned, that's hitting the nail right on the head. It's just a poorly thought-out way of making the character more sympathetic.

[fiendishchicken]

Taboo-XX wrote...

And yet she has no forced death, stays loyal to Shepard, and still gets the job done.

I refuse to let bad writing cloud my judgement. I'm not planning on looking for "plots" amongst meaningless data.

That'd make me the same as an IT person.

**** you 

I'm an Intel Officer, and before that, I was an Intelligence Analyst.

It's my job to collect the data and analyze the crap out of it, draw incorrect extrapolations, stipulate those to unit commanders, then get chewed out when the light scout force goes to a town looking for an enemy platoon and ends up running into a battalion size element, or the town you just ordered to be leveled by artillery was actually a French training base.

That happened once. Lucky for us, the French were on leave. But they really weren't happy when they found out their camp was destroyed...

In our defense, the frogs never should have built a training station in a region where we fire a lot of "practice" shells.

Modifié par fiendishchicken, 24 septembre 2012 - 01:26 .

[Taboo]

Seriously. I'm looking here at my notes and I remembered freaking out because I wanted to make a female character who didn't fit any of those types I listed above. The task was to create a sympathetic portrayal without forcing it.

I made her pregnant and didn't have her tell her boyfriend in the short.

I passed.

[Skullheart]

Oh yes, the november leak.It was a dark age in the BSN. Atthat time we thought it was just a rough draft, especulating about extra scenes regarding her history with Cerberus.

Somehow I fell trolled by super mac and bw.

[Ieldra]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

It does say so, by implication. The medical report recommends adoption, not a cure. How should I take this - as the measurement of the doctor's incompetence?

Not that I accept it, btw.. As far as I'm concerned, it is curable. But as far as the writers are concerned, it clearly isn't meant to be.

You're bringing Shepard back in Synthesis. I'd be incredibly disappointed in you if you just sat about and did nothing about it. 

If I'm ever going to write my headcanon up, it will not disappoint in that. Promise. But some people will not like how I'll treat the matter nonetheless.

[Skullheart]

fiendishchicken wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

And yet she has no forced death, stays loyal to Shepard, and still gets the job done.

I refuse to let bad writing cloud my judgement. I'm not planning on looking for "plots" amongst meaningless data.

That'd make me the same as an IT person.

**** you 

I'm an Intel Officer, and before that, I was an Intelligence Analyst.

It's my job to collect the data and analyze the crap out of it, draw incorrect extrapolations, stipulate those to unit commanders, then get chewed out when the light scout force goes to a town looking for an enemy platoon and ends up running into a battalion size element, or the town you just ordered to be leveled by artillery was actually a French training base.

That happened once. Lucky for us, the French were on leave. But they really weren't happy when they found out their camp was destroyed...

In our defense, the frogs never should have built a training station in a region where we fire a lot of "practice" shells.

I totally LROTF after reading this.

Didn't you see any french flag?

[Taboo]

Ugh. Looking back at these notes make me wonder what the **** I was thinking. This was only a few years ago too.

I mean it says here in big letters "DON'T FORCE SYMPATHY".

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

<3:wub:

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 24 septembre 2012 - 01:39 .

[lillitheris]

Oh hey, clothes! Armor, even.

[Taboo]

Yes, thank you for breaking the tension Luis. Here's more happy thoughts!

[Ghost]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...


<3:wub:

Oh look its wannabe Ash.

[fiendishchicken]

Skullheart wrote...

fiendishchicken wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

And yet she has no forced death, stays loyal to Shepard, and still gets the job done.

I refuse to let bad writing cloud my judgement. I'm not planning on looking for "plots" amongst meaningless data.

That'd make me the same as an IT person.

**** you 

I'm an Intel Officer, and before that, I was an Intelligence Analyst.

It's my job to collect the data and analyze the crap out of it, draw incorrect extrapolations, stipulate those to unit commanders, then get chewed out when the light scout force goes to a town looking for an enemy platoon and ends up running into a battalion size element, or the town you just ordered to be leveled by artillery was actually a French training base.

That happened once. Lucky for us, the French were on leave. But they really weren't happy when they found out their camp was destroyed...

In our defense, the frogs never should have built a training station in a region where we fire a lot of "practice" shells.

I totally LROTF after reading this.

Didn't you see any french flag?

I was looking at it from a top-down gridsquare map. It wasn't on any of the local area maps, so we assumed the Tali's had been setting up camp to launch strikes in the region. So we recommended to the Commander a fire mission. Any scouts or forward observers we had didn't say anything about flags, but since it was unoccupied at the time, they would have no flying colors. 

In hindsight, we probably should have thought it through better. We have drones, apaches, and various other aircraft looking for the Taliban. This was back in early 2011. They would have to have been mentally retarded in a way such as to defy human knowledge to set up an open camp in a valley, clearly visible from all directions and the air, regularly patrolled by us, our attack birds, and Afghan Military forces, and in strike distance of our 155 Howitzers. 

So yeah. We screwed up. 

Somehow, the unit commander got a Combat Action Badge for it though...

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Ghost1017 wrote...

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...


<3:wub:

Oh look its wannabe Ash.

Actually it's the other way around. Ash is the wannabe Miranda, especially in ME3. A Biotic and Tech Specialist with Military Combat Training is greater than a mere soldier who reads poetry.

[Skullheart]

luis, just ignore our domestic troll.