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[Steelcan]

Agreed with Mordin, but he doesn't question him so much. James does not question. Agreed with Ashley, she's terrible

[fiendishchicken]

Steelcan wrote...

fiendishchicken wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

I've always said Liara was an annoying whelp. The Thessia mission made me hate Liara.  But Javik is kind of a douche, not much sympathy for him.  He's an awesome squadmate but he's not a sympathetic guy

He has it right. In a war such as this, you can't afford to have mercy or pity or compassion. It comes down to survival.
If a million must die so that 2 million can live, I'm good with it. 
If a billion must die so a thousand can live, I'm good with it.
Javik knows the score. Shepard does too. And his reasons for disliking Cerberus are much better than any other crewmember. He won't tolerate any other enemy beside the Reaper, simple as that.
And he's not looking to be sympathetic, he's looking to kill Reapers.

He has the most correct opinions when it comes to war. Everyone else is brutally naive. Garrus knows it too, but his goody two shoes approach gets old.
My Shepard is the same, or as much as BW will let me make him the same in ME3.

. Agreed to a certain degree.  I think that curing the genophage is better for the war than not.  Rachni is a toss up.  And he does not want the geth to aid the war effort.  He makes Machiavelli look squeamish but sometimes he is wrong about what is best for the war effort.  That said he knows the score better than anyone else.

I can see where he is coming from with Synthetic life. And you can see how he doesn't trust them, considering his entire race was wiped out by them.

We've also had talks about how he would feel about Miranda. She is odd in that she is a synthetically created organic. 

The genophage, I believe in it for being good for the war effort, but also because I believe the Krogan can be so much more. I believe in Wrex and Bakara's vision for Tuchanka. They believe the Krogan can become a proud, strong and great race once more.

The Rachni, I'm for saving. Yes they're territorial and possibly isolationist, but you leave them be, and they leave you be. They have no reason to bother you if you don't bother them.

Modifié par fiendishchicken, 24 septembre 2012 - 03:16 .

[Steelcan]

I wasn't letting them run around without supervision. Acid tanks activated

[Taboo]

All the dossiers really do is show that people have private wants and desires. That was the point. They just suck at expressing them.

Miranda wants connection
Thane wants a cure
Garrus wants revenge
Tali wants Shepard (wat)

It's that we simply are biased because it's Miranda. Look at how she turned out in regards to the other ME2 cast members.

Would you have preferred she ended up like Thane?

Modifié par Taboo-XX, 24 septembre 2012 - 03:55 .

[fiendishchicken]

Steelcan wrote...

I wasn't letting them run around without supervision. Acid tanks activated

I don't think the Rachni were that bad. They are a peaceful race, and very industrious. They killed some pirates who were attacking an asari courier. 

They rebuilt the couriers ship and helped her escape.

They're more than just animals you know. 

[fiendishchicken]

Taboo-XX wrote...

All the dossiers really do is show that people have private wants and desires. That was the point. They just suck at expressing them.

Miranda wants connection
Thane wants a cure
Garrus wants revenge
Tali wants Shepard (wat)

It's that we simply are biased because it's Miranda. Look at how she turned out in regards to the other ME2 cast members.

Would you have preferred she ended up like Thane?

I believe some people would have. Some very bad people.

Miranda gets her connection with Shepard. 

Grunt is funny. He wants more of a connection with his past.
Jack... I don't know what Jack wants.

Legion wants to understand organics. It's funny looking at his game review history. He gets banned, but overturns a lot of cheating claims, yet he also gets banned for taunting and trolling.

[jtav]

Yes actually I would have, except maybe for being forgotten about post-death. Characters dying doesn't bother me that much. Characters being mangled to conform to sexist stereotypes bothers me much more. Miranda's romance content was decent but there wasn't much else there.

[fiendishchicken]

jtav wrote...

Yes actually I would have, except maybe for being forgotten about post-death. Characters dying doesn't bother me that much. Characters being mangled to conform to sexist stereotypes bothers me much more. Miranda's romance content was decent but there wasn't much else there.

Are you some kind of Femi****? Honestly, your stuff is wtf worthy in nearly every post. What exactly do you want?

The romance was very good, though it was lacking. Everything was lacking.

The spectre terminal conversation was bad. Just bad dialogue and a lot of beating around the bush about nothing.

Modifié par fiendishchicken, 24 septembre 2012 - 04:11 .

[Taboo]

Nothing is gone it's merely cast aside. I wish I could make you understand how this works.

This isn't a book. This is an interactive medium. You work within what you have to.

And had she not grown as a character she would have died. And don't pull right wing cliches at me either. This is a liberal or even leftist ideal.

Modifié par Taboo-XX, 24 septembre 2012 - 04:08 .

[wright1978]

Well i'm very relieved that they didn't create a railroaded death for her. I'm annoyed about her awfully unbalanced story arc as it stands, a forced death would have had me livid.

[Taboo]

She has content intended for new players. That's why it's all rehashed. They added romance dialogue because that's important too.

You people expect far too much in such a small role.

She hasn't lost anything she is simply put within certain parameters. She's still Miranda. Look at the EC slides.

The portrayal just sucks.

[Steelcan]

fiendishchicken wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

I wasn't letting them run around without supervision. Acid tanks activated

I don't think the Rachni were that bad. They are a peaceful race, and very industrious. They killed some pirates who were attacking an asari courier. 

They rebuilt the couriers ship and helped her escape.

They're more than just animals you know. 

. Still wasn't going to let them run around without any way to monitor them.  We promise to be good is not a good enough reason to spare them.

[jtav]

What I want(ed)? I wanted about half a dozen lines where she reacts to what Cerberus has become. I wanted her to be nosing around Sanctuary because she'd heard rumors of what was going on. Weekes, God bless him, tried to suggest it; but her own words suggest otherwise. I wanted her actual arc from ME2 (struggling with whether she owns her successes) to be resolved.

[Steelcan]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Nothing is gone it's merely cast aside. I wish I could make you understand how this works.

This isn't a book. This is an interactive medium. You work within what you have to.

And had she not grown as a character she would have died. And don't pull right wing cliches at me either. This is a liberal or even leftist ideal.

. Do explain

[Taboo]

jtav wrote...

What I want(ed)? I wanted about half a dozen lines where she reacts to what Cerberus has become. I wanted her to be nosing around Sanctuary because she'd heard rumors of what was going on. Weekes, God bless him, tried to suggest it; but her own words suggest otherwise. I wanted her actual arc from ME2 (struggling with whether she owns her successes) to be resolved.

Madam you seriously misunderstand how this works. Other than the romance content there is no real difference between a romanced and unromanced Miranda.

Guess what? You don't need Cerberus to finish the story for new players. They kill her off and it's over. Should she be romanced she gets a bit more and survives because that's the bare minimum they can get away with.

You mistake stereotypes for laziness. Never, ever, underestimate how lazy people can be in these situations.

Occam's Razor in this case is far more telling than a grand plot to ruin the character we all like.

Modifié par Taboo-XX, 24 septembre 2012 - 04:24 .

[fiendishchicken]

jtav wrote...

What I want(ed)? I wanted about half a dozen lines where she reacts to what Cerberus has become. I wanted her to be nosing around Sanctuary because she'd heard rumors of what was going on. Weekes, God bless him, tried to suggest it; but her own words suggest otherwise. I wanted her actual arc from ME2 (struggling with whether she owns her successes) to be resolved.

What you want is valid, but you seem to think there was a big conspiracy to ruin her character.

While I believe they strongly push you towards the ME1 romances, Miranda isn't in there, because they don't want her there. 

It's just a lack of accountability on BW's part. Somewhere in the development of the game, everything got botched, so they decide to half-ass everything in the game, then get a craw in their junk when people call them out for it.

[wright1978]

fiendishchicken wrote...

jtav wrote...

What I want(ed)? I wanted about half a dozen lines where she reacts to what Cerberus has become. I wanted her to be nosing around Sanctuary because she'd heard rumors of what was going on. Weekes, God bless him, tried to suggest it; but her own words suggest otherwise. I wanted her actual arc from ME2 (struggling with whether she owns her successes) to be resolved.

What you want is valid, but you seem to think there was a big conspiracy to ruin her character.

While I believe they strongly push you towards the ME1 romances, Miranda isn't in there, because they don't want her there. 

It's just a lack of accountability on BW's part. Somewhere in the development of the game, everything got botched, so they decide to half-ass everything in the game, then get a craw in their junk when people call them out for it.

Well think it is very clear from the sheer amount of filler in her content that either her poor content is down to incompetence of a deliberate attempt to keep her out of the Cerberus arc which she has a major claim to be tied to.

[Taboo]

wright1978 wrote...
Well think it is very clear from the sheer amount of filler in her content that either her poor content is down to incompetence of a deliberate attempt to keep her out of the Cerberus arc which she has a major claim to be tied to.

Look at what I posted above. There is very little difference between her being romanced and not. Why? Less work.

There is no grand plot. It's just laziness.

You're looking for conspiracies where there are none.

[Steelcan]

fiendishchicken wrote...

jtav wrote...

What I want(ed)? I wanted about half a dozen lines where she reacts to what Cerberus has become. I wanted her to be nosing around Sanctuary because she'd heard rumors of what was going on. Weekes, God bless him, tried to suggest it; but her own words suggest otherwise. I wanted her actual arc from ME2 (struggling with whether she owns her successes) to be resolved.

What you want is valid, but you seem to think there was a big conspiracy to ruin her character.

While I believe they strongly push you towards the ME1 romances, Miranda isn't in there, because they don't want her there. 

It's just a lack of accountability on BW's part. Somewhere in the development of the game, everything got botched, so they decide to half-ass everything in the game, then get a craw in their junk when people call them out for it.

. The most likely scenario.  Unfortunately I detest the romances from ME1.  So for those of us who d not worship Liara, and I'd not romance Ashley or Kaidan, we get a screw you from BW

[fiendishchicken]

wright1978 wrote...

fiendishchicken wrote...

jtav wrote...

What I want(ed)? I wanted about half a dozen lines where she reacts to what Cerberus has become. I wanted her to be nosing around Sanctuary because she'd heard rumors of what was going on. Weekes, God bless him, tried to suggest it; but her own words suggest otherwise. I wanted her actual arc from ME2 (struggling with whether she owns her successes) to be resolved.

What you want is valid, but you seem to think there was a big conspiracy to ruin her character.

While I believe they strongly push you towards the ME1 romances, Miranda isn't in there, because they don't want her there. 

It's just a lack of accountability on BW's part. Somewhere in the development of the game, everything got botched, so they decide to half-ass everything in the game, then get a craw in their junk when people call them out for it.

Well think it is very clear from the sheer amount of filler in her content that either her poor content is down to incompetence of a deliberate attempt to keep her out of the Cerberus arc which she has a major claim to be tied to.

I can see that argument too. It could be said that BW really didn't want her in the game more. 

Remember though, if it didn't happen in the first game, or isn't pro alliance, it's not canon

[fiendishchicken]

Steelcan wrote...

fiendishchicken wrote...

jtav wrote...

What I want(ed)? I wanted about half a dozen lines where she reacts to what Cerberus has become. I wanted her to be nosing around Sanctuary because she'd heard rumors of what was going on. Weekes, God bless him, tried to suggest it; but her own words suggest otherwise. I wanted her actual arc from ME2 (struggling with whether she owns her successes) to be resolved.

What you want is valid, but you seem to think there was a big conspiracy to ruin her character.

While I believe they strongly push you towards the ME1 romances, Miranda isn't in there, because they don't want her there. 

It's just a lack of accountability on BW's part. Somewhere in the development of the game, everything got botched, so they decide to half-ass everything in the game, then get a craw in their junk when people call them out for it.

. The most likely scenario.  Unfortunately I detest the romances from ME1.  So for those of us who d not worship Liara, and I'd not romance Ashley or Kaidan, we get a screw you from BW

After playing through ME3 with both VS, I much prefer Kaidan. I only metagame with Ashley to get her angry dialogue. Shepard really needs to have a talk with her about how wrong she is with everything.

[Steelcan]

fiendishchicken wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

fiendishchicken wrote...
What you want is valid, but you seem to think there was a big conspiracy to ruin her character.
While I believe they strongly push you towards the ME1 romances, Miranda isn't in there, because they don't want her there. 
It's just a lack of accountability on BW's part. Somewhere in the development of the game, everything got botched, so they decide to half-ass everything in the game, then get a craw in their junk when people call them out for it.

. The most likely scenario.  Unfortunately I detest the romances from ME1.  So for those of us who d not worship Liara, and I'd not romance Ashley or Kaidan, we get a screw you from BW

After playing through ME3 with both VS, I much prefer Kaidan. I only metagame with Ashley to get her angry dialogue. Shepard really needs to have a talk with her about how wrong she is with everything.

. Kaidan is a lot better than the rifleman with a racist attitude(but she loves poetry<_<). Her angry dialogue is really fun to use. 

[wright1978]

Taboo-XX wrote...

wright1978 wrote...
Well think it is very clear from the sheer amount of filler in her content that either her poor content is down to incompetence of a deliberate attempt to keep her out of the Cerberus arc which she has a major claim to be tied to.

Look at what I posted above. There is very little difference between her being romanced and not. Why? Less work.

There is no grand plot. It's just laziness.

You're looking for conspiracies where there are none.

Overlapping romance-non romance content makes sense from a resource usage standpoint.
Bloating her content wih filler does not. It either suggests a junior writer writing very poorly or for her tragic story arc reasons they were keen to keep her removed from her major ties to the Cerberus arc.

[jtav]

Personally, I vote for Jay being new at his job, probably not thinking very deeply, and orders to make her "likable." No conspiracy, just lazy thinking.

But ultimately motives don't matter. Results do.

Modifié par jtav, 24 septembre 2012 - 04:53 .

[Steelcan]

jtav wrote...

Personally, I vote for Jay being new at his job, probably not thinking very deeply, and orders to make her "likable." No conspiracy, just lazy thinking.

But ultimately motives don't matter. Results do.

. Who?