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[Taboo]

Fifteen minutes is a lot better than Thane.

Modifié par Taboo-XX, 24 septembre 2012 - 08:50 .

[Caihn]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Fifteen minutes is a lot better than Thane.

She's not the only one who deserves more content.


good old days ...

Modifié par Yannkee, 24 septembre 2012 - 09:21 .

[Babi_Siha]

lillitheris wrote...

krukow wrote...

lillitheris wrote...

hot_heart wrote...

lillitheris wrote...
Liara has the least romance-specific content, so…

You sure about that one?

Yes.

Just stop.  The only one who has a comperable amount is Ashley/Kaidan.

Romance. Specific. Content.

If you really think that now I can see why you took my mental disorder comment so personally. Let's see, when they meet on Mars, Shepard can take the paragon response related to the romance content; then there's the scene in Liara's quarters which you can reaffirm the romance; there's the scene Liara calls Shepard a flatterer; the Citadel date; their romance scene, which was the biggest one in the game; and the goodbye scene.

[dtrain24]

jtav wrote...

Actually here, lilitheris is right. There is noticeably less romance content compared to the VS and Garrus.

No, she's not. Liara gets the scene with her "Dad", a date on the Citadel, plenty of romance dialogs (she's a squadmate the entire game), a sex scene longer than other characters romances, and more. 

Also, Lilitheris said "least". That implies less than Miranda, Jacob, Thane, Jack, etc. So the argument is techinically invalidated right there.

[krukow]

Babi_Siha wrote...If you really think that now I can see why you took my mental disorder comment so personally. Let's see, when they meet on Mars, Shepard can take the paragon response related to the romance content; then there's the scene in Liara's quarters which you can reaffirm the romance; there's the scene Liara calls Shepard a flatterer; the Citadel date; their romance scene, which was the biggest one in the game; and the goodbye scene.

She also gets to do the nameplate and/or know you're alive.  That counts.

[Taboo]

krukow Garrus does my Shepard's nameplate.

He knows.

[krukow]

Taboo-XX wrote...

krukow Garrus does my Shepard's nameplate.

He knows.

Well, that would fit with your headcanon since you already said Miri was bi-curious about EDI.

The couple that swings together...

[Taboo]

EDI didn't have a body then krukow.

[krukow]

Virtual interface. Just like the geth consensus mission.

No wonder you don't like that mission, it reminds you about Miri's dalliances...

[Taboo]

That level reminds me of games I played as a child.That's why I don't like it.

Miranda wouldn't be able to interface with the consensus anyway.

[CrutchCricket]

I think the subtlety here is around the romance specific content. As in the amount of content you have to be in the romance to see isn`t that lengthy.

Which means nothing if you`re trying to gain sympathy since a lot of the overall Liara content happens anyway, feeding into the notion that she will pursue you, regardless of whether you want her to or not. Which as it happens, is another big complaint levied against her.

Personally I don`t see why any of this matters. Trying to prove ME1 bias or Liara bias in particular at this point in time is about as productive as proving the sky`s blue.

Modifié par CrutchCricket, 24 septembre 2012 - 09:30 .

[Sable Rhapsody]

CrutchCricket wrote...
I think the subtlety here is around the romance specific content. As in the amount of content you have to be in the romance to see isn`t that lengthy.

Which means nothing if you`re trying to gain sympathy since a lot of the overall Liara content happens anyway, feeding into the notion that she will pursue you, regardless of whether you want her to or not. Which as it happens, is another big complaint levied against her.

This.  It's bad for everyone, romanced or not.  The issue is the lack of the uniqueness.  People romancing Liara feel they didn't get much extra or different, and the rest of us feel like we have to constantly keep her romance at bay with a ten foot pole.  It's honestly just sloppy writing, and there's no excuse for it.

Garrus and Tali's romances work much better in this regard.  Their dialogue changes significantly based on romance/friendship status, and they don't feel like you have to romance them at any point.

Modifié par Sable Rhapsody, 24 septembre 2012 - 09:35 .

[Steelcan]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

CrutchCricket wrote...
I think the subtlety here is around the romance specific content. As in the amount of content you have to be in the romance to see isn`t that lengthy.

Which means nothing if you`re trying to gain sympathy since a lot of the overall Liara content happens anyway, feeding into the notion that she will pursue you, regardless of whether you want her to or not. Which as it happens, is another big complaint levied against her.

This.  It's bad for everyone, romanced or not.  The issue is the lack of the uniqueness.  People romancing Liara feel they didn't get much extra or different, and the rest of us feel like we have to constantly keep her romance at bay with a ten foot pole.  It's honestly just sloppy writing, and there's no excuse for it.
Garrus and Tali's romances work much better in this regard.  Their dialogue changes significantly based on romance/friendship status, and they don't feel like you have to romance them at any point.

. But their "scene" is a cut to black, then pillow talk, unexcusable

[krukow]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...Garrus and Tali's romances work much better in this regard.  Their dialogue changes significantly based on romance/friendship status, and they don't feel like you have to romance them at any point.

...Well, that's because you can't romance them unless you import said romance.

[Taboo]

Miranda's changes though. We discussed this earlier. She's actually (or it appears this way) is far more excited to see Shepard than he is her.

I mean had Shepard picked her up and spun her around she'd have gotten mad but it would have been really funny.

You just know.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Steelcan wrote...
 But their "scene" is a cut to black, then pillow talk, unexcusable

Personally, I've never seen a video game sex scene that didn't make me cringe.  Animation just hasn't gotten good enough where it looks anything but awkward, so fade to black > weird pixelated humping.

krukow wrote...
...Well, that's because you can't romance them unless you import said romance.

 

True.  But Shepard is always the instigator of the romance in ME2, and it never comes up otherwise.  And I don't think many people play ME3 without having played ME2, though I could be wrong there.

[CrutchCricket]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...
This.  It's bad for everyone, romanced or not.  The issue is the lack of the uniqueness.  People romancing Liara feel they didn't get much extra or different, and the rest of us feel like we have to constantly keep her romance at bay with a ten foot pole.  It's honestly just sloppy writing, and there's no excuse for it.

Interesting. That makes it a valid complaint from people who romance Liara but I'm much less inclined to buy it from anyone else.

The fact that one LI was handled better than yours (hypothetical random fan) may be grounds for dev resentment, for allocating their resources in a way that left you wanting.

But drawing hate on that character for this reason is just petty. And laughable. "umad bro?" is the only appropriate answer.

Modifié par CrutchCricket, 24 septembre 2012 - 09:44 .

[Taboo]

I really like the content I saw though. I'm not going to complain about it. Miranda's content in ME3 is very low on my **** list.

[krukow]

agreed.

And everybody needs to calm down. Your waifu wasn't the one bioware destroyed.

JACOB was the waifu bioware destroyed.

[Discotheque]

What was there was good, just far too brief.

[Sable Rhapsody]

CrutchCricket wrote...
Interesting. That makes it a valid complaint from people who romance Liara but I'm much less inclined to buy it from anyone else.

The fact that one LI was handled better than yours (hypothetical random fan) may be grounds for dev resentment, for allocating their resources in a way that left you wanting.

But drawing hate on that character for this reason is just petty. And laughable. "umad bro?" is the only appropriate answer.

I think people have a right to complain when one character was clearly the dev's favorite and allocated additional resources, whether it was their favorite character or not.  I understand that all NPCs are not created equal--Miranda herself had extra plot importance in ME2, and dialogue to reflect it.  But allocating so much to Liara when other LIs like Thane or Jacob weren't even considered important enough to bother with is certainly grating.

I do agree with your last point, though.  I really like Liara--she's one of my favorite characters.  I honestly feel a little bad for her--she's strong enough a character to carry her weight without the dev coddling, and the preferential treatment only breeds player resentment.

[Taboo]

I believe the term for Jacob would be Manfu.

[Discotheque]

Want to romance Jacob? Sure , he cheats on you and knocks someone else up !

[Prudii Aden]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

CrutchCricket wrote...
I think the subtlety here is around the romance specific content. As in the amount of content you have to be in the romance to see isn`t that lengthy.

Which means nothing if you`re trying to gain sympathy since a lot of the overall Liara content happens anyway, feeding into the notion that she will pursue you, regardless of whether you want her to or not. Which as it happens, is another big complaint levied against her.

This.  It's bad for everyone, romanced or not.  The issue is the lack of the uniqueness.  People romancing Liara feel they didn't get much extra or different, and the rest of us feel like we have to constantly keep her romance at bay with a ten foot pole.  It's honestly just sloppy writing, and there's no excuse for it.

Garrus and Tali's romances work much better in this regard.  Their dialogue changes significantly based on romance/friendship status, and they don't feel like you have to romance them at any point.

Certainly in 3, I got the distinct impression that Liara was obsessed with Shepard. Even if you'd never romanced her.  It was really creepy.

[Steelcan]

krukow wrote...

agreed.

And everybody needs to calm down. Your waifu wasn't the one bioware destroyed.

JACOB was the waifu bioware destroyed.

. Thane?