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[Steelcan]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Yes but where? Here in the character section?

. Fan creations most likely

[Taboo]

I'll look into it then. Ieldra might be of assistance, seeing as we're working with separate endings. That is if he's willing to work with me. We'd be the Odd Couple!

Or would I be putting out fire with gasoline?

[Steelcan]

Taboo-XX wrote...

I'll look into it then. Ieldra might be of assistance, seeing as we're working with separate endings. That is if he's willing to work with me. We'd be the Odd Couple!

Or would I be putting out fire with gasoline?

. I'd help with destroy if you want any help, don't mean to barge in, just offering assistance

[CrutchCricket]

Taboo-XX wrote...

I'm doing something of the sort. Obviously it will have differences of opinion but it would be a nice gesture on my part I suppose.

If you do, put me on file for objecting to the name "Phoenix".

I've already stated why.

[Taboo]

Yes well that's just the thing. You don't have to use anything that you don't like. The general concept is still the same.

I'd simply like to jump on the option that more people are agreeing on. We have different concepts and interpretations but we agree on least on topical information.

[Sable Rhapsody]

CrutchCricket wrote...
If you do, put me on file for objecting to the name "Phoenix".

I've already stated why.

I keep seeing this pop up from time to time.  What exactly IS it?  A post-ME3 organization for Miri and Shep?

[Taboo]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

I keep seeing this pop up from time to time.  What exactly IS it?  A post-ME3 organization for Miri and Shep?

Yes. I suggested it some time ago and it recently took off. Not a Cerberus Clone mind you but something to keep them both occupied professionally.

They can be together and work.

One of the FEW things that are agreed upon in here.

[Steelcan]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

I keep seeing this pop up from time to time.  What exactly IS it?  A post-ME3 organization for Miri and Shep?

Yes. I suggested it some time ago and it recently took off. Not a Cerberus Clone mind you but something to keep them both occupied professionally.

They can be together and work.

One of the FEW things that are agreed upon in here.

. At least we are entertainedB)

[krukow]

Taboo-XX wrote...

One of the FEW things that are agreed upon in here.

Pfff, there is no such thing.

That's like saying there's something thanemancers are happy about.

[CrutchCricket]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...
I keep seeing this pop up from time to time.  What exactly IS it?  A post-ME3 organization for Miri and Shep?

In a nutshell "humanity's STG".

It picks up the slack from Cerberus' destruction, only this time without the atrocities.

Or at least without being the "Highly Visible Covert Agency".

And to recap, that's again part of the reason I would reject "Phoenix" or any similar mythological name. Such a thing is just begging for attention, to say nothing of inspiring too much in terms of heroics.

The perfect covert agency is one where even the operatives aren't fully sure it exists. There's no place for flashy symbolism or romantic ideals. It should be named something practical and more importantly completely innocous.

Something that sounds boring and forgettable, and thus no one would ever give it a second thought.

Modifié par CrutchCricket, 24 septembre 2012 - 11:10 .

[Steelcan]

krukow wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

One of the FEW things that are agreed upon in here.

Pfff, there is no such thing.

That's like saying there's something thanemancers are happy about.

. They are happy he did not die between ME2 and ME3

[Steelcan]

But isn't project Phoenix a Cerberus initiative?

[CrutchCricket]

Steelcan wrote...

But isn't project Phoenix a Cerberus initiative?

Not exactly. Phoenix operatives are defectors, people who bailed before the heavy **** went down (indoctrination).

The symbolism is blatantly obvious. But completely unnecessary for a new organization I think. If it has a front corporation, that can be named Phoenix Technologies or something similar. But there, we're talking about visible, legitimate enterprise.

[Taboo]

You also have to remember that this is...a game. A story.

Shepard will be at the head though with Miranda.

You could call it Turkey and people would still notice who was at the helm.

[CrutchCricket]

Taboo-XX wrote...

You also have to remember that this is...a game. A story.

Shepard will be at the head though with Miranda.

You could call it Turkey and people would still notice who was at the helm.

Common sense and logic should never be sacrificed for "things that sound cool".

By your logic they could start a circus and that'd be alright because everyone would know who runs it.

[Taboo]

CrutchCricket wrote...

Common sense and logic should never be sacrificed for "things that sound cool".

By your logic they could start a circus and that'd be alright because everyone would know who runs it.

 
I said nothing of it being more legitimate because they headed it, I simply stated that whatever they headed would be noticed. There's a difference there.

The issue at hand is not whether or not you think it's viable. It's a story. A work of fiction. People can do whatever they want.

[Steelcan]

Taboo-XX wrote...

CrutchCricket wrote...

Common sense and logic should never be sacrificed for "things that sound cool".

By your logic they could start a circus and that'd be alright because everyone would know who runs it.

 
I said nothing of it being more legitimate because they headed it, I simply stated that whatever they headed would be noticed. There's a difference there.

The issue at hand is not whether or not you think it's viable. It's a story. A work of fiction. People can do whatever they want.

. Your argument is skirting into the" it's ART I say" range

[fiendishchicken]

CrutchCricket wrote...

I still think it sounds like she tries to break it off during the last holocall.

That's why I'm not really a fan of that last conversation.

I have it headcanoned as Miranda is terrified that is going to die, and she is trying her hardest to keep her distance from him.

[Taboo]

It's creative conceptualization. It's no more retarded than any other STG group name.

Black Watch? People aren't going to get suspicious of that either?

[CrutchCricket]

Taboo-XX wrote...

I said nothing of it being more legitimate because they headed it, I simply stated that whatever they headed would be noticed. There's a difference there.

Oh I thought you mean fans would notice.

Characters should never notice who's in charge of this organization, regardless of who it is and done right, they never will.

Miranda and Shepard would best disappear without a trace.

I like the idea of Oriana running the front organization (which would also imply that the front itself is helpful) and Miranda swapping with her with things get too tense. I like the "twins pretending to be one person" scenario

[flemm]

hot_heart wrote...

I believe, to Americans, it means 'irrelevant', whereas Flemm actually meant that it is open to debate or speculation.

Well, both, in a sense. You're right, of course, that it's open to debate or speculation. But I also meant that, as an argument for us to engage in, it has little practical value past a certain point.

That doesn't mean that the "why" is not important, though. It is very important, of course.

Edit:
To be clear, what we have to say on the subject is significant, but what we can do is identify concrete issues. Stuff like: Miranda was originally a character who had a variety of different interests and priorities, including big picture goals, family, and even incidental stuff like music, etc. She had opinions, ideas, a point of view, etc.

So, it's probably not a good idea to reduce her to family/romantic concerns only because that plays into certain stereotypes and makes the character less balanced and interesting anyway. Her opinions/ideas can and probably should evolve, but she should always have some, and so on.

That type of thing isn't dependent on what was "intended." It's harder for us to make a meaningful contribution on that particular subject.

Modifié par flemm, 24 septembre 2012 - 11:47 .

[Taboo]

You have to be very careful with that though. You have to remember that something that looks just like Cerberus will be shat upon like a car near a flock of birds.

They'd have to maintain some level of public recognition because skulking around looks bad.

I mean disappearing like TIM is a great way to start making the same mistakes he did.

[CrutchCricket]

Taboo-XX wrote...

You have to be very careful with that though. You have to remember that something that looks just like Cerberus will be shat upon like a car near a flock of birds.

They'd have to maintain some level of public recognition because skulking around looks bad.

I mean disappearing like TIM is a great way to start making the same mistakes he did.

TIM's biggest mistake was getting caught.

You underestimate the sneakiness of this agency.

If they do their jobs right, it'll look like they've done nothing at all.

To anyone not smack in the middle of it (i.e. Miranda and Shepard) this agency will not exist.

Next to them the MIB may as well have a Facebook page.

[Taboo]

TIMs biggest mistake was withdrawing from society.

You can't expect me to believe that they'll be sitting side by side smoking and drinking in funny little chairs.

You have to see what's happening in the Galaxy first hand. To understand the needs of the people you need to protect. That's the difference.

Using something as a front sounds like a good idea you simply have to be smart about it.

[hot_heart]

fiendishchicken wrote...

CrutchCricket wrote...

I still think it sounds like she tries to break it off during the last holocall.

That's why I'm not really a fan of that last conversation.

I have it headcanoned as Miranda is terrified that is going to die, and she is trying her hardest to keep her distance from him.

She does seem almost precognitive during that last conversation.

But, yeah, I think that's the idea. There's that brief moment of doubt, where she tries to spare herself - or him - the pain but then he talks her round and makes a promise.

That's the way I saw it anyway.