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[katcrave]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Well then get on Skype and we'll talk to you. There's plenty of dirty jokes for everyone.

I can ruin so many things for you. Including Burritos! But you'll have to be on Skype to hear that story.

It's far too dirty for the BSN.

Somehow I'm not surprised

I have to confess, I'm a bit shy when it comes to skyping...but I'm curious about this...Burrito...

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Modifié par katcrave, 25 septembre 2012 - 12:59 .

[Taboo]

Dear let me warn you that it is a NASTY story. I sent you a request on Skype. I hope I reached the right woman.

[katcrave]

I'll make sure to prep myself for it

And yup. You got me!

[Steelcan]

This thread will not stagnate! I refuse to let it happen

[katcrave]

I applaud your efforts!

[Taboo]

Okay then, here's a topic. Babs and I were talking last night and the topic of boyfriend and girlfriend came up. Would Miranda use such terms with herself and Shepard? We came to the conclusion that she wouldn't.

Thoughts?

[fiendishchicken]

CrutchCricket wrote...

Turn that coin over and let's talk about Pragia, Akuze, and the stuff related to Hades Dogs. To say nothing of the Collector Ship and his mini-freakout if you decide to destroy the base.

Bottom line is he's a ruthless manipulative bastard who uses people like tools. Sometimes that's necessary, but what's worse is he's allowed his organization to become the Highly Visible Covert OP terrorist Space Camp from Hell. Again, either he enjoys authoring atrocities or he's too much of a screw up to prevent them, or to prevent them from going public.

Either way he was starting to slip way before ME3. And for that he needed to be replaced.

Oh and don't get too self-righteous with the whole "he's fighting the Reapers and backing Shepard." Even Palpatine was grooming his Empire to fight the Yuuzhan Vong in Star Wars. You going to tell me he was noble and misunderstood? And even Aria, badass as she may be is just a gang leader thug, but she knows enough to back Shepard in the war. It's just survival. Neither deserve medals from wanting to avoid becoming Reaper goo. It just appears special because everyone that isn't them, Shepard, or his crew is terminally infected with Stupid and are living in denial.

Oh and for the record, TIM wasn't "right" about control. He still wanted to control the Reapers pre-Crucible when there was zero evidence that this was possible. That the Crucible did enable control is incidental. That's like me guessing random numbers and when they turn out to be winning lottery numbers, I get all high and mighty that I somehow "predicted" the winning numbers. Please.

I agree with the top part. He was a ruthless manipulative bastard, and in my opinion, that's exactly what the galaxy needed. I draw the line at a few cases (CB, Akuze, Pragia). 

You missed mentioning the option of rogue cells. Teltin Facility was rogue, and they were actively hiding it from TIM. It's stated by researchers in the facility that TIM is in the dark about what they are really doing. And these are his own employee's. If you trust them enough to do ethically and morally questionable research for you, you tend to have a little faith that they're doing the right thing. Of course, Teltin wasn't, and TIM eventually learned about what was really going on there. He ordered the remains of the facility shut down, and its remaining staff to be forcibly "retired". I'm sure this was a case where he resolved to keep a closer eye on his projects, seeing as to what could happen if he didn't keep his eye on cells. 

And no one in the alliance ever heard about Teltin. At least, not until years after the projects demise.

As for Akuze going public, the only person who knew it was really Cerberus was Corporal Toombs. I don't know about you, but my Shepard is a Sole Survivor, having lost his entire unit at Akuze. He, and everyone else, had no idea that Cerberus was behind the whole incident. Toombs, who was captured and experimented on by them, was the only person who knew about what was going on.That became public because Toombs escaped and started a killing spree on scientists involved with the project. When Shepard found him, Toombs had the last scientist in his gunsights. When Shepard learned about what was going on, he convinced Toombs to go public with his knowledge. The scientist, Dr. Wayne testified for his own immunity, that he did work for an organization known as Cerberus. 

As for the Hades Dogs scenario, Admiral Kohoku had knowledge of the name Cerberus, but little else other than they were a "covert alliance black ops and research group that had gone rogue". Yes, people know they exist, but it's like the DEVGRU, or the 1st SFOD-D, or any other JSOC unit today. No one knows what they're doing really. 
Kahoku, an alliance Admiral, had to get information from the Shadow Broker about Cerberus. The SB provided a source for locations, but requested that any data recovered be handed over to the Shadow Broker. Even the SB didn't have much information on them in the first game.

And for the stuff that Shepard gets involved in, he is actively going from base to base looking for clues to fight Cerberus. Any info he gets is coming from the base that he destroys on his way to the next. And in the end, I turn over the info to the SB as well.

Not many know of Cerberus really. But they do have a PR and recruiting team out there. How else would they get employee's?

I'm saying in essence that a lot of the screw-ups aren't TIM's fault really. And everyone is going to screw up at some point, sometimes repeatedly. As of ME3 he needed to be replaced, but that was because his beliefs concerning the Reapers have become irreconcilable with the reality of them, due to indoctrination.

And I will get "self-righteous" with him backing Shepard and fighting the Reapers. In an entire galaxy with dozens of species and massive militaries and everything, TIM is the only one to acknowledge and work against the Reapers besides Shepard.

The alliance disowns him (while using his image to promote recruiting), the council labels him a traitor and an unstable nutjob, and many others don't do anything at all. I never said TIM or Aria deserved a medal, but they understand what the real threat is, and that something must be done to stop it. They all have their own motivations: TIM wants to preserve, and if possible, ascend humanity. Aria wants to keep Omega and her organization as a Pirate and Gang leader intact. Shepard, by the end of ME3 for me, just wants to keep Miranda safe and live to see her again.

And yes, I agree with the Empire reference btw. Palpatine knew what was coming and knew that it had to be stopped, but that wasn't his only motivation. Don't make it sound like it was. He was the biggest megalomaniac in the history of the SW galaxy, minus maybe the Sith Emperor.

And TIM *was* right about control. He wasn't shooting in the dark. He had evidence to back his theory up. He had Miranda's father running his experiments on Sanctuary. He had research done to figure out how indoctrination worked. That information was gained from the husk experiments. He had a method to control them. Granted, it was on a shorter scale than the actual Reapers, but he had the information on a baseline method to control them that actually worked.

Then their was the Leviathans. Doubtless, TIM learned about them, even though nothing was done on Cerberus' part about them. I'm willing to bet he had information on their nature, through his sources in the alliance, the Reapers, or his own.

So TIM did have knowledge that the Reapers could be controlled. It wasn't a total stab in the dark. As for the Crucible, I will say it was a bit of an educated guess, but he was right in the end. Even if he couldn't control the Reapers himself, the Reapers could be controlled by the Crucible. 

[fiendishchicken]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Okay then, here's a topic. Babs and I were talking last night and the topic of boyfriend and girlfriend came up. Would Miranda use such terms with herself and Shepard? We came to the conclusion that she wouldn't.

Thoughts?

They have a.... complicated relationship. 

It's there and it's real, but neither know for sure if it's real.

[fiendishchicken]

katcrave wrote...

I applaud your efforts!

Add me on skype. Actually, you'll probably see me in there anyway. But you can add me anyway.

[Taboo]

fiendishchicken wrote...

They have a.... complicated relationship. 

It's there and it's real, but neither know for sure if it's real.

She's uncertain if she likes him but she knows she really loves him.

[katcrave]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Okay then, here's a topic. Babs and I were talking last night and the topic of boyfriend and girlfriend came up. Would Miranda use such terms with herself and Shepard? We came to the conclusion that she wouldn't.

Thoughts?

I'd agree that she probably wouldn't use those terms. I can't see Miranda being to concerned with labels. Also, I see them as being more than 'boyfriend' and 'girlfriend'. I tend to associate those terms more with puppy love than with actual, mature relationships. (Disclaimer: Not that there's anything wrong with those who do use bf/gf for themselves. Just stating the connection that pops up in my mind. Its purely subjective)

Modifié par katcrave, 25 septembre 2012 - 04:06 .

[Steelcan]

katcrave wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Okay then, here's a topic. Babs and I were talking last night and the topic of boyfriend and girlfriend came up. Would Miranda use such terms with herself and Shepard? We came to the conclusion that she wouldn't.

Thoughts?

I'd agree that she probably wouldn't use those terms. I can't see Miranda being to concerned with labels. Also, I see them as being more than 'boyfriend' and 'girlfriend'. I tend to associate those terms more with puppy love than with actual, mature relationships. (Disclaimer: Not that there's anything wrong with those who do use bf/gf for themselves. Just stating the connection that pops up in my mind. Its purely subjective)

. I agree with that.  It does seem the kind of thing she wouldn't care about.

[Taboo]

That's just the thing. Everyone knows that they're together. She makes sure of it in ME2. She'd certainly let people know post war.

She doesn't need labels.

[skuid]

Hi everyone, I've been working in a fan made video game of space battles (Mass Effect: Fighters Alliance) and decided to include Miranda and Legion using the combat dialogues from me2, so I thought you may find it interesting. Here is a video of Miranda and Legion flying fighters

I want to add a special texture design to Miranda's fighter so I thought this is the best place to ask for ideas. I already did one, but it's not very good.

The project page is here: http://social.biowar...m/project/8446/
The latest version available doesn't include Miranda. I'll try to include her in the next update.

Modifié par skuid, 25 septembre 2012 - 04:39 .

[Skullheart]

skuid wrote...

I want to add a special texture design to Miranda's fighter so I thought this is the best place to ask for ideas. I already did one, but it's not very good.

What about a Cerberus fighter using the colors from her loyalty outfit

[skuid]

Skullheart wrote...

skuid wrote...

I want to add a special texture design to Miranda's fighter so I thought this is the best place to ask for ideas. I already did one, but it's not very good.

What about a Cerberus fighter using the colors from her loyalty outfit

The one I did was with the white outfit and the hexagon pattern. Maybe
the loyalty outfit colors fit better, I'll try it and upload some
pictures.

[hot_heart]

skuid wrote...
Hi everyone, I've been working in a fan made video game of space battles (Mass Effect: Fighters Alliance) and decided to include Miranda and Legion using the combat dialogues from me2, so I thought you may find it interesting. Here is a video of Miranda and Legion flying fighters

I want to add a special texture design to Miranda's fighter so I thought this is the best place to ask for ideas. I already did one, but it's not very good.

The project page is here: http://social.biowar...m/project/8446/
The latest version available doesn't include Miranda. I'll try to include her in the next update.

That's amazing. Very nice work!

(From where did you get those audio files, may I ask? And no "Down you go!"? )

As for a Miranda texture, not sure what to suggest beyond the loyalty colours...or using whatever that symbol on her collar is.

Modifié par hot_heart, 25 septembre 2012 - 05:16 .

[skuid]

hot_heart wrote...
That's amazing. Very nice work!

(From where did you get those audio files, may I ask? And no "Down you go!"? )

As for a Miranda texture, not sure what to suggest beyond the loyalty colours...or using whatever that symbol on her collar is.

Thanks:)
I extracted the audio files from ME2 using this tool http://social.biowar...3/index/9321886. I already included the "Down you go!" though the concept of down in 0 gravity is a bit confusing:D.
Here the pictures:
White
Black

[Skullheart]

Too bad that none of her outfits was red, she could have been the red comet.

[ghost9191]

[CrutchCricket]

fiendishchicken wrote...
You missed mentioning the option of rogue cells. Teltin Facility was rogue, and they were actively hiding it from TIM. It's stated by researchers in the facility that TIM is in the dark about what they are really doing. And these are his own employee's. If you trust them enough to do ethically and morally questionable research for you, you tend to have a little faith that they're doing the right thing. Of course, Teltin wasn't, and TIM eventually learned about what was really going on there. He ordered the remains of the facility shut down, and its remaining staff to be forcibly "retired". I'm sure this was a case where he resolved to keep a closer eye on his projects, seeing as to what could happen if he didn't keep his eye on cells. 

And no one in the alliance ever heard about Teltin. At least, not until years after the projects demise.

If you're going to be running an extremist covert op group, allowing "rogue cells" is simply not an option. To adapt the Citadel Gunnery Chief's speech: If you start perforing brutal experiments to gain admittedly useful information, you are ruining someone else's day, somewhere, sometime. That is why you maintain checks and balances at all times, that is why you monitor every aspect and every stage of the operation, that is why you do not simply "trust" or "have faith" that everything will be hunky-dory.

The bottom line is TIM didn't find the type of researchers willing to be that brutal at the local Y or the Good Shepard. If you hire monsters or those with monstrous tendencies and do not guard against said tendencies getting out of hand, you are either a monster yourself, or a moron. Pick one.

As for Akuze going public, the only person who knew it was really Cerberus was Corporal Toombs. I don't know about you, but my Shepard is a Sole Survivor, having lost his entire unit at Akuze. He, and everyone else, had no idea that Cerberus was behind the whole incident. Toombs, who was captured and experimented on by them, was the only person who knew about what was going on.That became public because Toombs escaped and started a killing spree on scientists involved with the project. When Shepard found him, Toombs had the last scientist in his gunsights. When Shepard learned about what was going on, he convinced Toombs to go public with his knowledge. The scientist, Dr. Wayne testified for his own immunity, that he did work for an organization known as Cerberus.

Ignoring again the questionable risk vs reward of the whole operation (I'd very much love to know exactly what Cerberus got out of watching people get torn new ****s by thresher maws), where was the response team to deal with Toombs? If it was so well kept under wraps why was one disgruntled marine allowed to cause so much damage, both in PR and in loss of personnel (amoral scientists don't just grow on trees you know)?

In ME2 Shepard gets spammed with all sorts of inane requests from Cerberus. "Hey, if you're not busy taking on the entire Collector race with your ONE ship, you know, while our army just sits this one out (and don't try and tell me ALL of Cerberus' war machine in ME3 didn't exist before the war), why don't you go and find out what happend to this random operative who ran into a gang?" Or how about: "Shepard! Our prototype hovercraft crashed, can you get our ride back? kthnx."

They've got cleaners to take out an Alliance Admiral but they can't make one crazy marine disappear? Again, incompetent at best.

As for the Hades Dogs scenario, Admiral Kohoku had knowledge of the name Cerberus, but little else other than they were a "covert alliance black ops and research group that had gone rogue". Yes, people know they exist, but it's like the DEVGRU, or the 1st SFOD-D, or any other JSOC unit today. No one knows what they're doing really. 
Kahoku, an alliance Admiral, had to get information from the Shadow Broker about Cerberus. The SB provided a source for locations, but requested that any data recovered be handed over to the Shadow Broker. Even the SB didn't have much information on them in the first game.

Organizations don't get called "terrorists" on a whim. You can call it Citadel/Alliance propaganda all you want but the point is, if Cerberus is visible enough for the authorities to make that claim, it's already failed.

I'm saying in essence that a lot of the screw-ups aren't TIM's fault really. And everyone is going to screw up at some point, sometimes repeatedly. As of ME3 he needed to be replaced, but that was because his beliefs concerning the Reapers have become irreconcilable with the reality of them, due to indoctrination.

They are TIMs fault. I recognize the necessity of some of Cerberus' actions. But the fact that some of their operations go too far and/or go public is a direct result of his failing. Because he's in charge, he set all this up, he thought up how it was going to work. If someone under his commander ****ed up, that's on him as well, for failing to prevent the ****up or to deal with it appropriately.  It's all on him. And while I don't expect him or anyone else to be infallible, he started making too many mistakes. That's been my point all along.

And I will get "self-righteous" with him backing Shepard and fighting the Reapers. In an entire galaxy with dozens of species and massive militaries and everything, TIM is the only one to acknowledge and work against the Reapers besides Shepard.

The alliance disowns him (while using his image to promote recruiting), the council labels him a traitor and an unstable nutjob, and many others don't do anything at all. I never said TIM or Aria deserved a medal, but they understand what the real threat is, and that something must be done to stop it. They all have their own motivations: TIM wants to preserve, and if possible, ascend humanity. Aria wants to keep Omega and her organization as a Pirate and Gang leader intact. Shepard, by the end of ME3 for me, just wants to keep Miranda safe and live to see her again.

That's no credit to TIM, but merely a black mark for everyone else. Like I said, apart from a few individuals, everyone else is infected with Stupid. Nearly fatally so. At least as far as the Reapers go.

But now turn your attention back to Shepard. Why does the Council (and parts of the Alliance) call him a traitor, why does the VS keep ****ing about it? Because he joined Cerberus. Cerberus who as far as they`re concerned is the SS and Al Queda rolled in one. And why, pray tell is that? Because of Cerberus' utter inability to stop being the Highly Visible Secret Agency of Baby Killers. Thus you add more to TIM's failure. Not only does he not have as much control over the jerkasses who work for him as he should, but he also can't keep away from the public eye and to top it all of, the stuff that does make it to the public is all the crap. He fails at being an effective administrator, he fails at the "covert" part of "covert ops" and now, he's failing at PR.

If Cerberus is so damn beneficial why is the only person who sees it already dismissed as an "unstable nutjob"? ME2 is supposed to be all "oh, look at the good side of Cerberus"- well ****, don't just show me, I'm supposed to be dead! Show the rest of the galaxy. Or at least the Alliance. Because as stupid as you may believe them to be having them on your side at least provides a distraction.

We say Cerberus should be "humanity's STG" right? Well I guarantee you, if Mordin was the hero here and he got the STG to back him up, he wouldn't get a tenth of the flack Shepard gets with Cerberus. Why? Is it because the STG is so much more clean and friendly and never does anything bad? **** no. They just about sterilized an entire goddamn race. But see, they don't come across as mad scientists with serial-killer levels of bodycounts. They just have better management.

And yes, I agree with the Empire reference btw. Palpatine knew what was coming and knew that it had to be stopped, but that wasn't his only motivation. Don't make it sound like it was. He was the biggest megalomaniac in the history of the SW galaxy, minus maybe the Sith Emperor.

And you think TIM's motivation was only "stopping the Reapers"? Please. TIM may not be the monster Palpatine is but don't kid yourself. The pattern is there.

And TIM *was* right about control. He wasn't shooting in the dark. He had evidence to back his theory up. He had Miranda's father running his experiments on Sanctuary. He had research done to figure out how indoctrination worked. That information was gained from the husk experiments. He had a method to control them. Granted, it was on a shorter scale than the actual Reapers, but he had the information on a baseline method to control them that actually worked.

Then their was the Leviathans. Doubtless, TIM learned about them, even though nothing was done on Cerberus' part about them. I'm willing to bet he had information on their nature, through his sources in the alliance, the Reapers, or his own.

So TIM did have knowledge that the Reapers could be controlled. It wasn't a total stab in the dark. As for the Crucible, I will say it was a bit of an educated guess, but he was right in the end. Even if he couldn't control the Reapers himself, the Reapers could be controlled by the Crucible.

Ah but now you're shooting in the dark. First off, TIM had leanings of control as early as ME2 with the Collector base. That may seem like just seizing enemy tech but when the enemy's a race of machines, that distinction gets quite a bit blurry.

Second of all Sanctuary in no way proves Reapers can be controlled. That's like saying you manage to lure an attack dog away from mauling you with a steak and throwing that steak at someone else makes it attack them, and from this you conclude you can make its master your puppet with steak. Please. Don't be too proud of that concentration camp he was running. The ability to have an army of husks is insignificant next to the power of the Reapers.

Bottom line is control is impossible without the Crucible and there is no evidence that even that is a possibility until the holokid flat out tells you. If I believe I can fly and I launch myself off the roof in a shopping cart and later someone gives me a plane, I was not "right" that I could fly. Events merely coincided.

Modifié par CrutchCricket, 25 septembre 2012 - 07:26 .

[lillitheris]

Lalalalalala rogue cells lalalalalala

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@skuid: Of those, black.

[Lawrence0294]

Taboo-XX wrote...



Miranda Lawson





Carl Sagan!



It's nice to see you could at least listen to us Nihlus. I hope I wasn't too weird for you. We're doing it again tonight, around the same time.

Ah, i see i missed another skype party, may i join the next one ?

[Ghost]

BringBackNihlus wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Yeah I'll be on Skype until whenever I decide to go to bed. If you need to rustled I'll be there.

I see. If my jimmies need a good ol' rustling, I know just who to call; but for now, I'll be fine.

SEE WHAT I DID THERE?

Also, is anyone else dreading the upcoming game releases/games just coming out (I know everyone doesn't care about all of these games, but I plan on getting all of these at some point):

Borderlands 2
Resident Evil 6
WWE '13
NBA 2K13
FIFA '13
AC3
Halo 4
Black Ops 2

Ugh.

I'm waiting *breath* on Halo 4 *breath* and AC3!

[hot_heart]

skuid wrote...
I already included the "Down you go!" though the concept of down in 0 gravity is a bit confusing:D.
Here the pictures:
White
Black

Well, the 'down' is figurative.

Really digging the black version.