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[Taboo]

The relationship between Shepard and Miranda is a lot more than just a physical attraction though. It's a complex one. In a good way.

Modifié par Taboo-XX, 27 septembre 2012 - 04:57 .

[katcrave]

CrutchCricket wrote...

katcrave wrote...

"Superior argument" is difficult to quantify when dealing with opinion. If one side were clearly correct, there would be no debate (or hurt feelings for that matter). Interpretation, my friends. Interpretation.

Also, if anyone thinks its bad here, I suggest they check out a political forum. This thread is sunshine and bunny **** by comparison.

Not particularly.

Opinion: I think x.

Why?

Because y and z (where y and z are either assertions or arguments. If they're the former they'd presumably be either arguments or self-evident facts)

Discussion now begins on whether y and z are true and/or if they have any bearing on x. Interpretation also comes into play.

End result: Based on the discussion, parties involved may be swayed to agree about x or may not. If it's a situation where x goes against the "popular opinion", if the "majority" haven't been swayed, it certainly doesn't mean that the proponent of x has been marginalized or pushed aside.

No matter how how heated the discussion gets, as long as it doesn't devolve into personal attacks, the proponent of x is not bullied or "pushed out".

No contest with the italics.

Where I do disagree is that in the case of an opinion or interpretation (whether this is political or otherwise), there are no self-evident facts. Leave that to mathematics and science, please. We are not dealing with an objective truth but individual stand points that are the result of a unique combination of nature and nurture. It is also incorrect to assume that, because your opinion is currently in the majority, that it is superior. There are many confounding factors that influence what the 'majority' is at any one time. Particularly on an internet forum. The demographics and frequency of the individuals responding is the least of these. You yourself have commented upon how this thread has changed. Is your opinion lessened because it is in the minority? No. At least not as I see it.

[Steelcan]

krukow wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Of course Sheploo has some pretty bad facial animations. I can't imagine any woman taking kindly to that glare he gives during one of the romance conversations.

He makes a similar one when talking to Garrus about "reach and flexibility".

Eugh.

. He looks too generic for me.

You shut your mouth, he inspired zoolander!!

. He looks like every other grey short haired middle aged male

[fiendishchicken]

krukow wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Of course Sheploo has some pretty bad facial animations. I can't imagine any woman taking kindly to that glare he gives during one of the romance conversations.

He makes a similar one when talking to Garrus about "reach and flexibility".

Eugh.

. He looks too generic for me.

You shut your mouth, he inspired zoolander!!

The Swedish supermodel Alex Lundqvist was one of the other models thrown around for default Commander Shepard.

[krukow]

fiendishchicken wrote...

krukow wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Of course Sheploo has some pretty bad facial animations. I can't imagine any woman taking kindly to that glare he gives during one of the romance conversations.

He makes a similar one when talking to Garrus about "reach and flexibility".

Eugh.

. He looks too generic for me.

You shut your mouth, he inspired zoolander!!

The Swedish supermodel Alex Lundqvist was one of the other models thrown around for default Commander Shepard.

Has Alex ever had a gasoline fight?

[Steelcan]

fiendishchicken wrote...
Well my experience is atypical, even for an Officer.
You could be spending your days on post constantly running battle drills for a deployment thats never coming, getting yelled at, and basically never seeing the light of civilization for months on end. 
I'm so lucky I branched both Intelligence in the National Guard. 
I still haven't even been to my job training school yet, but I am prior service making it to Sergeant about 9 months before I commissioned. And I'm finishing up my Master's (I'm intentionally delaying it as long as possible). In about 3 months though I get to pack my bags and head back to my old stomping grounds in Fort Huachuca, Arizona, about an hour south of Tucson for 6 months of Military Intelligence BOLC. 
Then... either back to Chicago or I find a nice little quiet Guard unit on the West Coast. Or I could go active. I don't know.

. I really didn't understand most of that.  I got the first bit but then I got confused

[fiendishchicken]

Taboo-XX wrote...

The relationship between Shepard and Miranda is a lot more than just a physical attraction though. It's a complex one. In a good way.

As I always maintain, Shepard and Miranda's relationship is the only romance that feels like a real love story.

I say the same thing about FemShep and Thane.

[katcrave]

krukow wrote...

fiendishchicken wrote...

krukow wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Of course Sheploo has some pretty bad facial animations. I can't imagine any woman taking kindly to that glare he gives during one of the romance conversations.

He makes a similar one when talking to Garrus about "reach and flexibility".

Eugh.

. He looks too generic for me.

You shut your mouth, he inspired zoolander!!

The Swedish supermodel Alex Lundqvist was one of the other models thrown around for default Commander Shepard.

Has Alex ever had a gasoline fight?

orange mocca frappuccino! 

[fiendishchicken]

krukow wrote...

fiendishchicken wrote...

krukow wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Of course Sheploo has some pretty bad facial animations. I can't imagine any woman taking kindly to that glare he gives during one of the romance conversations.

He makes a similar one when talking to Garrus about "reach and flexibility".

Eugh.

. He looks too generic for me.

You shut your mouth, he inspired zoolander!!

The Swedish supermodel Alex Lundqvist was one of the other models thrown around for default Commander Shepard.

Has Alex ever had a gasoline fight?

I never saw that crappy movie. Ben Stiller wishes he was his parents. He's an entitled, self-pretentious jackass.
And his movies are terrible. 

[krukow]

fiendishchicken wrote...
I never saw that crappy movie. Ben Stiller wishes he was his parents. He's an entitled, self-pretentious jackass.
And his movies are terrible. 

You're a really angry person.

I'm glad you have weapons training...

[Taboo]

Well seeing that the Miranda Lawson Twitter account pretty much confirmed that David Bowie was the greatest thing ever you're all wrong.

Srs.

[Aliqaiser]

krukow wrote...

Aliqaiser wrote...

I was thinking, What if Miranda actually reacted to your custom Shepard differently than the normal Shepard? What if she actually had a choice to deny your proposal, if your Shepard was not up to her standards(from the looks), what would you have done if you got rejected, by her?

The best part about this, is it couldn't happen until after you rescue her sister, so you don't even have that to get even with her anymore.  I guess you could send her into the vent?

Of course, my shep has nothing but professional respect for Ms. Lawson, so your question is silly...

:Pnot silly basically, you didnt get my question. I meant what if Love intrests in Mass effect had the option to reject your custom shepard. what would you have done if Miri rejected you.

Am I clear enough:whistle:

[krukow]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Well seeing that the Miranda Lawson Twitter account pretty much confirmed that David Bowie was the greatest thing ever you're all wrong.

Srs.

It's some chubby dude in a basement pretending to be a fictional femal character.

...I'm not that concerned with their music tastes...

[fiendishchicken]

Steelcan wrote...

fiendishchicken wrote...
Well my experience is atypical, even for an Officer.
You could be spending your days on post constantly running battle drills for a deployment thats never coming, getting yelled at, and basically never seeing the light of civilization for months on end. 
I'm so lucky I branched both Intelligence in the National Guard. 
I still haven't even been to my job training school yet, but I am prior service making it to Sergeant about 9 months before I commissioned. And I'm finishing up my Master's (I'm intentionally delaying it as long as possible). In about 3 months though I get to pack my bags and head back to my old stomping grounds in Fort Huachuca, Arizona, about an hour south of Tucson for 6 months of Military Intelligence BOLC. 
Then... either back to Chicago or I find a nice little quiet Guard unit on the West Coast. Or I could go active. I don't know.

. I really didn't understand most of that.  I got the first bit but then I got confused

Oh civilians... 

My job in the Army is as a Military Intelligence Officer. I don't have to go out into the field much. I get to hang out and do stuff on my computer all day. Besides, I'm stateside right now in an urban environment. There is no field to go out to.

I'm lucky I secured this job. The military has a tendency to put you where they need you most, sometimes regardless of how well qualified you are for a certain job. 

I'm presently in the National Guard, but my job is more or less full time right now. I work about 3 days a week on average.

I still haven't been to my Officer Job School yet, but since I had the same job more or less as an enlisted soldier (and I have 5 years experience in that job with one tour in Afghanistan) I'm not going to be learning much stuff that I don't already know. My job school is out in Arizona.

I'm also in College right now, finishing up my Master's Degree in Russian Language studies and Political Science. I'm estimating it to take another 3 years before I finish because I am intentionally going very slow with it, because, well, I don't want to do stuff. By the time I get it, I will have already used up nearly half of my remaining service commitment. 

[Taboo]

krukow wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Well seeing that the Miranda Lawson Twitter account pretty much confirmed that David Bowie was the greatest thing ever you're all wrong.

Srs.

It's some chubby dude in a basement pretending to be a fictional femal character.

...I'm not that concerned with their music tastes...

It's still lol worthy. 

I'm just the thin guy with a funny accent.

Yes, it stopped being funny after the fourth person told me I sounded like David Bowie.

And she knows who she is. 

[fiendishchicken]

krukow wrote...

fiendishchicken wrote...
I never saw that crappy movie. Ben Stiller wishes he was his parents. He's an entitled, self-pretentious jackass.
And his movies are terrible. 

You're a really angry person.

I'm glad you have weapons training...

Only with the M16A2/A4, M4 Carbine, M9, Remington 870, Benelli M1014, M203 Grenade Launcher, M249, M240B, M240E, M240G, Mk. 19, M2 .50 HMG, M14, BGM-71 TOW, AT4, and the FGM-148 Javelin.

I'm also know how to drive a Bradley...

[fiendishchicken]

Taboo-XX wrote...

krukow wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Well seeing that the Miranda Lawson Twitter account pretty much confirmed that David Bowie was the greatest thing ever you're all wrong.

Srs.

It's some chubby dude in a basement pretending to be a fictional femal character.

...I'm not that concerned with their music tastes...

It's still lol worthy. 

I'm just the thin guy with a funny accent.

Yes, it stopped being funny after the fourth person told me I sounded like David Bowie.

And she knows who she is. 

That's disingenuous. 

What If it really is Miranda? 

[Steelcan]

fiendishchicken wrote...

Oh civilians... 
My job in the Army is as a Military Intelligence Officer. I don't have to go out into the field much. I get to hang out and do stuff on my computer all day. Besides, I'm stateside right now in an urban environment. There is no field to go out to.
I'm lucky I secured this job. The military has a tendency to put you where they need you most, sometimes regardless of how well qualified you are for a certain job. 
I'm presently in the National Guard, but my job is more or less full time right now. I work about 3 days a week on average.
I still haven't been to my Officer Job School yet, but since I had the same job more or less as an enlisted soldier (and I have 5 years experience in that job with one tour in Afghanistan) I'm not going to be learning much stuff that I don't already know. My job school is out in Arizona.
I'm also in College right now, finishing up my Master's Degree in Russian Language studies and Political Science. I'm estimating it to take another 3 years before I finish because I am intentionally going very slow with it, because, well, I don't want to do stuff. By the time I get it, I will have already used up nearly half of my remaining service commitment. 

. Did you go through ROTC?

[AnatolyLL]

A little off-topic, but special for Fiendishchicken   It's joke of course 

[fiendishchicken]

Steelcan wrote...

fiendishchicken wrote...

Oh civilians... 
My job in the Army is as a Military Intelligence Officer. I don't have to go out into the field much. I get to hang out and do stuff on my computer all day. Besides, I'm stateside right now in an urban environment. There is no field to go out to.
I'm lucky I secured this job. The military has a tendency to put you where they need you most, sometimes regardless of how well qualified you are for a certain job. 
I'm presently in the National Guard, but my job is more or less full time right now. I work about 3 days a week on average.
I still haven't been to my Officer Job School yet, but since I had the same job more or less as an enlisted soldier (and I have 5 years experience in that job with one tour in Afghanistan) I'm not going to be learning much stuff that I don't already know. My job school is out in Arizona.
I'm also in College right now, finishing up my Master's Degree in Russian Language studies and Political Science. I'm estimating it to take another 3 years before I finish because I am intentionally going very slow with it, because, well, I don't want to do stuff. By the time I get it, I will have already used up nearly half of my remaining service commitment. 

. Did you go through ROTC?

Yeah. I started at the Junior Level, but I had 3 years (and a deployment) under my belt.

[fiendishchicken]

AnatolyLL wrote...

A little off-topic, but special for Fiendishchicken   It's joke of course 

не шуметь, замолчите, не шумите 

Forgive my Russian if it's a little off.

[Steelcan]

Is it explained why Miranda does not join the Normandy, doesn't she form a fighter group to attack Cerberus?

[krukow]

Steelcan wrote...

Is it explained why Miranda does not join the Normandy, doesn't she form a fighter group to attack Cerberus?

...she forms it like 5 minutes before you end Cerberus for good anyways.  Seriously, she forms it after Horizon, and the cerberus base is the next mission.

[fiendishchicken]

Steelcan wrote...

Is it explained why Miranda does not join the Normandy, doesn't she form a fighter group to attack Cerberus?

Something like that.

[Steelcan]

krukow wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Is it explained why Miranda does not join the Normandy, doesn't she form a fighter group to attack Cerberus?

...she forms it like 5 minutes before you end Cerberus for good anyways.  Seriously, she forms it after Horizon, and the cerberus base is the next mission.

. Art I suppose