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[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

OrumRod wrote...


And if you encounter Mr. Lawson in ME3 and he tells you his side of the story would you trust him instead of Miranda?

HELL NO! I'll blow his head open and crush him with my biotics before he even opens his mouth! >

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 08 août 2011 - 03:50 .

[MisterJB]

Arijharn wrote...
Or... you might not actually know the whole story, maybe Miranda's perception of the situation is slightly unreliable like Jack's was with Teltin.

Miranda could be mistaken regarding his motivations or details like the fate of her sisters, but she knows what she went through just like Jack did. The facts still stands, Mr. Lawson was an abusive father. 

Modifié par MisterJB, 08 août 2011 - 03:52 .

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

And he deserves to be slaughtered mercilessly. I would.


Would Miri kill him if she had the chance to get rid of him for good? I'm NOT doubting her. 

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 08 août 2011 - 03:56 .

[Sebby]

MisterJB wrote...

Seboist wrote...
Or so we're told...

We're back to this? Sending Eclipse to bring Oriana back to him by force is not proof enough for you?

Like Conrad Verner says "That's how it goes in the biz". He knows not to take chances with Cerberus.

Riiiiiiigth...

I don't see anything sinister even going by what Miranda says ("I'm not his first daughter, just the first one he kept"). I don't see how that translates into say, finding them dead in a ditch somewhere.

Mr. Lawson needs to have his say and if the claims are false then Miranda needs to be sued for slander.

[Sebby]

OrumRod wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Mr. X's side of the story needs to be told before I pass final judgment.

And if you encounter Mr. Lawson in ME3 and he tells you his side of the story would you trust him instead of Miranda?

It all depends on who/what he is and what he says.

[Arijharn]

MisterJB wrote...

Arijharn wrote...
Or... you might not actually know the whole story, maybe Miranda's perception of the situation is slightly unreliable like Jack's was with Teltin.

Miranda could be mistaken regarding his motivations or details like the fate of her sisters, but she knows what she went through just like Jack did. The facts still stands, Mr. Lawson was an abusive father. 

Sure, but let me tell you something about myself. When I was little I was deathly afraid of needles (I still am to an extent). One day I had to go to the Doctors to get a cyst cut out, and I freaked out the moment I saw the needle, and I freaked out even more when I saw the scapel used to cut out the cyst dip below my line of vision. I was shrieking my lungs out simply because I didn't really know what was going on.

Now granted, I was only what... 8 years old at the time I think, but my point is that because I didn't know what was happening I exaggerated the situation. In regards to Miranda though; what parent doesn't at least try to push their child into being better? Not that I think Miranda is a spoiled brat, but you know, in the absence of other information I'm not just going to say: "Guilty!"

I believe Miranda in what she says but only as far as it being her perception of the events, but I don't believe that it is necessarily the whole story.

[ISpeakTheTruth]

Miranda's father to me sounds like a human Okeer. Someone obsessed with getting the 'perfect' being of their specie. If he's anything like Okeer which I think he is he probably did kill all of Miranda's earlier sisters becuase they were flawed while Miranda was a better creation. He may have even thought she was perfect but latter saw flaws in her so he made another and from what I pick up it seems Orianna is the 'Grunt' of Mr. Lawson's attempt of building a dynasty.

Oriana's life wouldn't have been a good one if she had remained with her father. Miranda did the right things as for killing him I'm a paragon so killing is never my knee jerk response I'd prefer a nice jail cell. Afterall helping to fund a terrorist orginisation can't be legal.

[MisterJB]

Seboist wrote...
Like Conrad Verner says "That's how it goes in the biz". He knows not to take chances with Cerberus.

Why try to bring Oriana back at all? She's an adult, she can decide wether she wants to return or not.

I don't see anything sinister even going by what Miranda says ("I'm not his first daughter, just the first one he kept"). I don't see how that translates into say, finding them dead in a ditch somewhere.

Treating his daugther as an object shows that he is completely uncaring, controlling every aspect of her life proves he is a control-freak and trying to create the perfect human being through his own genes paint him as egomaniac.
Why would this man care enough to try and find families for every single one of his investments, with all the questions that come with it? Would he really allow his "genes" to grow uncontrolled? Especially considering that experimenting on the previous ones can correct mistakes for the new generations?

Mr. Lawson needs to have his say and if the claims are false then Miranda needs to be sued for slander.

Now I know you're not being serious.

[Cajm]

I must say that it would be nice to have her back form ME3 so it would be nice to have her back as a squad mate & LI.
But im also the kind of guy that dose not care if they bring any new squadys and would prefer that we just kept all the old ones.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

I'm....I guess a Paragade, I'm not sure.

I mostly almost or exactly 100 percent Paragon, but I also do Renegade actions, the ones that seem logical to do.

If Miri's father tries to do anything hostiles, I would kill him before he lifts another finger.

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 08 août 2011 - 04:16 .

[Dr. Doctor]

I'd actually would like to meet Mr. Lawson in ME3. I can see him sitting in a skyscraper on Earth, watching as the Reapers march throughout the streets as Miranda enters the room to which the old man will let out a sigh and remark on how after so many years Miranda chose the end of the world to return. This of course woud be followed up by Shepard emerging from the shadows behind Miranda while holding a rather large gun.

[Sebby]

MisterJB wrote...

Why try to bring Oriana back at all? She's an adult, she can decide wether she wants to return or not.

Or can she? Mr. Lawson doesn't know if Miranda and Cerberus would let her so he plays it safe.

Treating his daugther as an object shows that he is completely uncaring, controlling every aspect of her life proves he is a control-freak and trying to create the perfect human being through his own genes paint him as egomaniac.
Why would this man care enough to try and find families for every single one of his investments, with all the questions that come with it? Would he really allow his "genes" to grow uncontrolled? Especially considering that experimenting on the previous ones can correct mistakes for the new generations?

That's just some wild speculation on your part. There's no indicator he harmed them or else Miranda would have mentioned it.

Now I know you're not being serious.

Being sued for slander would be a lenient punishment if Miranda's claims turn out to be bunk...

[LuxDragon]

Arijharn wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

Arijharn wrote...
Or... you might not actually know the whole story, maybe Miranda's perception of the situation is slightly unreliable like Jack's was with Teltin.

Miranda could be mistaken regarding his motivations or details like the fate of her sisters, but she knows what she went through just like Jack did. The facts still stands, Mr. Lawson was an abusive father. 

Sure, but let me tell you something about myself. When I was little I was deathly afraid of needles (I still am to an extent). One day I had to go to the Doctors to get a cyst cut out, and I freaked out the moment I saw the needle, and I freaked out even more when I saw the scapel used to cut out the cyst dip below my line of vision. I was shrieking my lungs out simply because I didn't really know what was going on.

Now granted, I was only what... 8 years old at the time I think, but my point is that because I didn't know what was happening I exaggerated the situation. In regards to Miranda though; what parent doesn't at least try to push their child into being better? Not that I think Miranda is a spoiled brat, but you know, in the absence of other information I'm not just going to say: "Guilty!"

I believe Miranda in what she says but only as far as it being her perception of the events, but I don't believe that it is necessarily the whole story.

I think, being in a part of a clandestine organization that's penetrated just about every alien and domestic government in the galaxy, keeping tabs on a rich 'businessman' is child's play. Besides, she managed to infiltrate spy programs into his network.

To you use your story, she's not 8 and she doesn't doanything halfway. I think she knows exactly what kind of man her father is and she constantly keeps an eye on his comings and goings because she has the resources to do so.

Besides: "Shot were fired."

It's hard to argue after that.

[Arijharn]

LuxDragon wrote...

I think, being in a part of a clandestine organization that's penetrated just about every alien and domestic government in the galaxy, keeping tabs on a rich 'businessman' is child's play. Besides, she managed to infiltrate spy programs into his network.

It's more than possible I admit. I'd think though that someone running a company as important as whatever Miranda's 'father' does might know, or better yet employee, someone who knows a thing or two about security. Especially if Miranda's little experiments had actually nothing to do with the company. A lot of factors could come into play.

LuxDragon wrote..
To you use your story, she's not 8 and she doesn't doanything halfway. I think she knows exactly what kind of man her father is and she constantly keeps an eye on his comings and goings because she has the resources to do so.

Besides: "Shot were fired."

Yes, of course. But her age has very negligable difference to the situation if she doesn't understand the whole story, as I was trying (unsuccessfully) to illustrate. I'm not saying that Miranda is wrong, just that facts may not follow exactly as she recalls. Why is that such an impossibility?

[MisterJB]

Arijharn wrote...
In regards to Miranda though; what parent doesn't at least try to push their child into being better? Not that I think Miranda is a spoiled brat, but you know, in the absence of other information I'm not just going to say: "Guilty!"
I believe Miranda in what she says but only as far as it being her perception of the events, but I don't believe that it is necessarily the whole story.

What parent replaces his daugther if she is not good enough? Assuming that is true and knowying for a fact that, even as a child, Miranda had a superior intelligence (she was capable of running away from the richest man in the galaxy, after all) there's no reason to believe that Miranda exagerates when she relates what happened to Shepard. Unlike you fear of needles that can be easily proven wrong by experience, Miranda had 15 years(?) to analyze her situation and her father.

And I doubt Miranda could misinterpret obvious situations. For example, if Mr. Lawson forced a five years old Miranda to try to lift a car with her biotics, it doesn't matter if he actually loved her. It was still abuse.

Seboist wrote...
Or can she? Mr. Lawson doesn't know if Miranda and Cerberus would let her so he plays it safe.

You're missing the point. Mr. Lawson did not ask Oriana what she wanted to do before he sent the mercs. He is forcing his will on Oriana.

That's just some wild speculation on your part. There's no indicator he harmed them or else Miranda would have mentioned it.

Why would she? Can Shepard help them? And why does the manner in which Mr. Lawson got rid of his daugthers should matter? Isn't the fact that he de did so bad enough?
Besides, Miranda doesn't mention anything personal until it actually becomes relevant. She didn't tell Shepard Oriana's age before a merc mentioned it. She sent Jacob info on his father through Cerberus channels when she could have just walked to him.

Modifié par MisterJB, 08 août 2011 - 04:58 .

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Miri's father is Guilty, end of story.

And him killing the others before Miri is murder/man slaughter. I would love to see him get either arrested or killed.

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 08 août 2011 - 05:06 .

[Arijharn]

MisterJB wrote...
What parent replaces his daugther if she is not good enough? Assuming that is true and knowying for a fact that, even as a child, Miranda had a superior intelligence (she was capable of running away from the richest man in the galaxy, after all) there's no reason to believe that Miranda exagerates when she relates what happened to Shepard. Unlike you fear of needles that can be easily proven wrong by experience, Miranda had 15 years(?) to analyze her situation and her father.

And I doubt Miranda could misinterpret obvious situations. For example, if Mr. Lawson forced a five years old Miranda to try to lift a car with her biotics, it doesn't matter if he actually loved her. It was still abuse.

Well yeah, assuming all that is true. I guess it really depends on what sort of things she was 'forced' to do at the time really. 

Actually I think it would be interesting if Miranda outlines what the nature of the 'experiments' (if any) were then if we meet her father who then states his piece or whatever to see if he's capable of swaying me. Yes my finger is going to be at the proverbial trigger, but I wouldn't necessarily be squeezing it ahead of schedule.

[Sebby]

Mr. Lawson must be a good looking stud if he created Miranda out of his genes.

[Arijharn]

Lol, maybe your femshep should romance him instead of TIM Seboist!

[Sebby]

Arijharn wrote...

Lol, maybe your femshep should romance him instead of TIM Seboist!

Nothing tops bringing one back from the dead! Nothing short of causing the second coming of christ will impress my femshep. :happy:

Speaking of Mr.Lawson and looks, the whole thing of him designing his daughter(s) to be his ideal attractive "dream woman"  had some incestous overtones..... or maybe I'm looking too much into it?

[Arijharn]

I agree, but that fate is just plain too horrible to truly contemplate...

I doubt he'd want to, you know consort with Miranda in that way, if only because then I think he'd be just the most morally repugnant character ever with no attributes that make the character at least moderately thought provoking.

[Sebby]

Arijharn wrote...

I agree, but that fate is just plain too horrible to truly contemplate...

I doubt he'd want to, you know consort with Miranda in that way, if only because then I think he'd be just the most morally repugnant character ever with no attributes that make the character at least moderately thought provoking.

I would have mixed feelings about it if they went that route, on one hand it would make him one hell of a unique character and on the other it would ruin any grayness he might have.

The whole thing is just weird, any guy that admires say her ass has her father and his "craftmanship" to thank.

[Arijharn]

It would certainly be one way to make me shoot him, even more so if he ever actually followed through with it. I admit, I'd loose 'my cool' and just terminate him with extreme prejudice if that occurred, which marks me as a bit of a hypocrite, but...

[Sebby]

You know this has me thinking, maybe there's more to the whole Miri infertility thing than we initially thought? 

[Arijharn]

Seboist wrote...

You know this has me thinking, maybe there's more to the whole Miri infertility thing than we initially thought? 

Oh gawd.

But in that case you'd think it would be treatable? I mean, isn't... maybe I do want to put a little bit more pressure on the trigger, but I find it really hard if not impossible to be truly 'objective' in this scenario and dispassionately 'survey' the situation.