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[Sable Rhapsody]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Yeah androgyny can be cool.

EDI is supposed to look like Maria from Metropolis though.

I don't think Maria had quite the cameltoe   I could be wrong--I haven't seen Metropolis since high school.

[Steelcan]

krukow wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

David Bowie.

David Bowie < Johnny Cash

I'm not even trolling this time.

. Johnny Cash> just about everyone else

[Taboo]

KyleR92 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

It's pity pandering. Certain people in here are simply suffering from a rather severe case of Apophenia. There is no plot.

Miranda is a human being. If you can't accept that coming into that is the character growth, you need to move on.

I don't think it's pity pandering. Miranda's character is presented as one who is fully aware and understanding of who she is. As such you don't really ( or at least I don't) pity her over this because that's part of who she is, and it's the cost of manipulating nature.

Not so much that as it is evidence that you can indeed make a person.

But you cannot "make" a person.

That is to say you can give someone the best genes in the world but you can't give them life experiences. You cannot make them BE less human.

She cries,bleeds and wants just like everyone else. And you know what? She wants to work and have a family. She can work AND have Shepard by her side at the end of the day.

THAT is a three dimensional character. The Kubrickian zombie that appeals to some people is very one dimensional indeed.

Modifié par Taboo-XX, 27 septembre 2012 - 11:57 .

[Steelcan]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Yeah androgyny can be cool.

EDI is supposed to look like Maria from Metropolis though.

I don't think Maria had quite the cameltoe   I could be wrong--I haven't seen Metropolis since high school.

  Don't get me started

[krukow]

Steelcan wrote...

kratos0294 wrote...

Carl Sagan..........does he count ?

. I ran a poll yesterday about scientists in The 20th and 21st centuries.  He barely got any votes........ 

Carl Sagan < Andrew Wakefield

[Ghost]

Steelcan wrote...

krukow wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

David Bowie.

David Bowie < Johnny Cash

I'm not even trolling this time.

. Johnny Cash> just about everyone else

KFC Jacob> JC

[Steelcan]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Not so much that as it is evidence that you can indeed make a person.

But you cannot "make" a person.

That is to say you can give someone the best genes in the world but you can't give them life experiences. You cannot make them BE less human.

She cries,bleeds and wants just like everyone else. And you know what? She wants to work and have a family. She can work AND have Shepard by her sideat the end of the day.

THAT is a three dimensional character. The Kubrickian zombie that appeals to some people is very one dimensional indeed.

. I love Kubrick

[Sable Rhapsody]

Steelcan wrote...

kratos0294 wrote...

Carl Sagan..........does he count ?

. I ran a poll yesterday about scientists in The 20th and 21st centuries.  He barely got any votes........ 

Sagan IMO was more influential as a popularizer of scientific knowledge.  Which is just as important, but if we're talking actual scientific discoveries, it might explain the fewer votes.

[Steelcan]

krukow wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

kratos0294 wrote...

Carl Sagan..........does he count ?

. I ran a poll yesterday about scientists in The 20th and 21st centuries.  He barely got any votes........ 

Carl Sagan < Andrew Wakefield

. Richard Dawkins> everybody else since Darwin

[Lawrence0294]

krukow wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

kratos0294 wrote...

Carl Sagan..........does he count ?

. I ran a poll yesterday about scientists in The 20th and 21st centuries.  He barely got any votes........ 

Carl Sagan < Andrew Wakefield

LIES. LIES EVERYWHERE !!!

[Steelcan]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

kratos0294 wrote...

Carl Sagan..........does he count ?

. I ran a poll yesterday about scientists in The 20th and 21st centuries.  He barely got any votes........ 

Sagan IMO was more influential as a popularizer of scientific knowledge.  Which is just as important, but if we're talking actual scientific discoveries, it might explain the fewer votes.

. Poll was just favorite of the list I provided.

[Taboo]

Yes well before she warms up to Shepard she reminds of a very bad example of a Stanley Kubrick character.

Cold, lifeless.

Come to find out that isn't the case.

[krukow]

Do you know who Andrew Wakefield is?

That was like the meanest thing I could say about Sagan and you totally missed it...

[Steelcan]

krukow wrote...

Do you know who Andrew Wakefield is?

That was like the meanest thing I could say about Sagan and you totally missed it...

. We all know he was a fake

[krukow]

Steelcan wrote...

krukow wrote...

Do you know who Andrew Wakefield is?

That was like the meanest thing I could say about Sagan and you totally missed it...

. We all know he was a fake

A fake?

He started the "vaccinations lead to autism" trend with fake data.

He's downright evil.

And better than sagan

[Steelcan]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Yes well before she warms up to Shepard she reminds of a very bad example of a Stanley Kubrick character.

Cold, lifeless.

Come to find out that isn't the case.

. Dr. Strangelove. "Mein Fuhrer, I mean......Mr. President"

[Steelcan]

krukow wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

krukow wrote...

Do you know who Andrew Wakefield is?

That was like the meanest thing I could say about Sagan and you totally missed it...

. We all know he was a fake

A fake?

He started the "vaccinations lead to autism" trend with fake data.

He's downright evil.

And better than sagan

. I didn't think I needed to go into detail

[Sable Rhapsody]

Steelcan wrote...
 Poll was just favorite of the list I provided.

OK, I see.  Well, Darwin is a little early for that poll 

[KyleR92]

Taboo-XX wrote...

KyleR92 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

It's pity pandering. Certain people in here are simply suffering from a rather severe case of Apophenia. There is no plot.

Miranda is a human being. If you can't accept that coming into that is the character growth, you need to move on.

I don't think it's pity pandering. Miranda's character is presented as one who is fully aware and understanding of who she is. As such you don't really ( or at least I don't) pity her over this because that's part of who she is, and it's the cost of manipulating nature.

Not so much that as it is evidence that you can indeed make a person.

But you cannot "make" a person.

That is to say you can give someone the best genes in the world but you can't give them life experiences. You cannot make them BE less human.

She cries,bleeds and wants just like everyone else. And you know what? She wants to work and have a family. She can work AND have Shepard by her side at the end of the day.

THAT is a three dimensional character. The Kubrickian zombie that appeals to some people is very one dimensional indeed.

Oh I agree and that's part of her story arc is her realising that there is more to being human. Miranda was "made" with all the components that technically make us human but nothing else (her father didn't let her have friends form social interactions etc etc). That's whats great about Miranda's story is her finding out what it means to be 'human' and her gaining these new interests (new magazines wanting a family a relationship with shepard etc) but the tragedy is that she may want to be lead a more 'normal' life she isnt normal so she may be able to have some things like a relationship with Shepard but the infertility serves as a stigma that she is different and always will be.

edit: spelling

Modifié par KyleR92, 28 septembre 2012 - 12:02 .

[Taboo]

That's a perfect example of a great Kubrick film. The characters motivations are multi-faceted.

As are Miranda's.

Now.

[KyleR92]

Which film?

[Taboo]

KyleR92 wrote...

Oh I agree and that's part of her story arc is her realising that there is more to being human. Miranda was "made" with all the components that technically make us human but nothing else (her father didn't let her have friends form social interactions etc etc). That's whats great about Miranda's story is she her finding out what it means to be 'human' and her gaining these new interests (new magazines wanting a family a relationship with shepard etc) but the tragedy is that she may want to be lead a more 'normal' life she isnt normal so she may be able to have some things like a relationship with Shepard but the infertility serves as a stigma that she is different and always will be.

We've been discussing this on Skype actually.

Shepard has the ability to give Miranda the things that she's always wanted. In that regard the relationship is very special. That's why the poor dear is so upset if he breaks up with her.

To have hope and then have it taken away? Terrible.

She can certainly do both.

[Steelcan]

KyleR92 wrote...

Which film?

. Dr. Strangelove:  or how I came to stop worrying and love the bomb

Modifié par Steelcan, 28 septembre 2012 - 12:05 .

[Taboo]

KyleR92 wrote...

Which film?

Dr. Strangelove.

Ninja'd. 

Modifié par Taboo-XX, 28 septembre 2012 - 12:05 .

[Steelcan]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Steelcan wrote...
 Poll was just favorite of the list I provided.

OK, I see.  Well, Darwin is a little early for that poll 

. Yeah, so was Tesla, Edison, Copernicus, etc....