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[Dr. Doctor]

 Playing Leviathan early on in ME3 (in between Palaven and Tuchanka) kind of makes all of the experiments on Sanctuary seem even more pointlessly cruel than they already were:

Lawson: So we've isolated the signal that the Reapers use to control the legions of husks.

Miranda: The Allies already have an army of husks under their control.

Lawson: What? When did this happen?

Miranda: They've had one for months, N7 special ops teams have been placing these glowing orbs on the battlefield that somehow lets them take control of Reaper forces. 

Lawson: Why didn't anybody tell me? I mean come on, it's taken me this long just to find this signal!

[Dragon_Claw]

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by Aameeyur

[Ieldra]

Steelcan wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
Yes, Henry Lawson's presentation was f*cked up beyond recognition. The logs on Sanctuary were interesting, and I recall I actually looked forward to meeting him, but then.....what a disappointment. No real confrontation at all, and Miranda says two words (!) to him. I wonder if our special friend Big Mac Walters wrote this or if it was Jay W. As opposed to that, Miranda's following exchange with Shepard is very nice, except there, too, I would've expected more comments on what just happened. 

It would have been nice to see the technology Cerberus developed at Sanctuary used against the reapers.

Indeed. To use that technology or not should have been a major Paragon/Renegade decision that affected the ending. As well as Miranda taking over what remains of Cerberus at Cronos Station. But noooo, everything associated with Cerberus if of course 100% bad and must never be used by Shepard. /sarcasm

Of course they also gave us an ending associated with TIM.... The cognitive dissonance is enough to make me dizzy.

[fiendishchicken]

Dr. Doctor wrote...

 Playing Leviathan early on in ME3 (in between Palaven and Tuchanka) kind of makes all of the experiments on Sanctuary seem even more pointlessly cruel than they already were:

Lawson: So we've isolated the signal that the Reapers use to control the legions of husks.

Miranda: The Allies already have an army of husks under their control.

Lawson: What? When did this happen?

Miranda: They've had one for months, N7 special ops teams have been placing these glowing orbs on the battlefield that somehow lets them take control of Reaper forces. 

Lawson: Why didn't anybody tell me? I mean come on, it's taken me this long just to find this signal!

Ah, but the difference is that the Leviathans control the signal, not us.

If we can control this signal, it would prove to be advantageous for us since the Levi's aren't doing what they do for our benefit

[fiendishchicken]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
Yes, Henry Lawson's presentation was f*cked up beyond recognition. The logs on Sanctuary were interesting, and I recall I actually looked forward to meeting him, but then.....what a disappointment. No real confrontation at all, and Miranda says two words (!) to him. I wonder if our special friend Big Mac Walters wrote this or if it was Jay W. As opposed to that, Miranda's following exchange with Shepard is very nice, except there, too, I would've expected more comments on what just happened. 

It would have been nice to see the technology Cerberus developed at Sanctuary used against the reapers.

Indeed. To use that technology or not should have been a major Paragon/Renegade decision that affected the ending. As well as Miranda taking over what remains of Cerberus at Cronos Station. But noooo, everything associated with Cerberus if of course 100% bad and must never be used by Shepard. /sarcasm

Of course they also gave us an ending associated with TIM.... The cognitive dissonance is enough to make me dizzy.

I remember there was a discussion on here that had you choosing between Mr. Lawson and his research, or Miranda and Oriana.

You can betray Miranda for the data. It went something like that. 

I of course don't agree with it.

[CrutchCricket]

fiendishchicken wrote...
Ah, but the difference is that the Leviathans control the signal, not us.

If we can control this signal, it would prove to be advantageous for us since the Levi's aren't doing what they do for our benefit

Leviathan still renders Sanctuary pretty well moot. If the monsters can steal husks from Reapers, they sure as hell won't have any trouble stealing them from us.

I wonder how far they'll go to try and justify their ****pile of an ending...

[krukow]

CrutchCricket wrote...

fiendishchicken wrote...
Ah, but the difference is that the Leviathans control the signal, not us.

If we can control this signal, it would prove to be advantageous for us since the Levi's aren't doing what they do for our benefit

Leviathan still renders Sanctuary pretty well moot. If the monsters can steal husks from Reapers, they sure as hell won't have any trouble stealing them from us.

I wonder how far they'll go to try and justify their ****pile of an ending...

...was sanctuary ever than important?  It was just another character mission to appease Miranda fans and hint towards the control ending.

Did I miss something where it had some huge reveal that altered the course of events?

[Sable Rhapsody]

krukow wrote...

Did I miss something where it had some huge reveal that altered the course of events?

Before Leviathan was released, Sanctuary served as a proof of concept.  It IS possible to control Reaper technology, indicating the Illusive Man isn't completely off his rocker.

After Leviathan, well, meh. 

[fiendishchicken]

CrutchCricket wrote...

fiendishchicken wrote...
Ah, but the difference is that the Leviathans control the signal, not us.

If we can control this signal, it would prove to be advantageous for us since the Levi's aren't doing what they do for our benefit

Leviathan still renders Sanctuary pretty well moot. If the monsters can steal husks from Reapers, they sure as hell won't have any trouble stealing them from us.

I wonder how far they'll go to try and justify their ****pile of an ending...

Very far.


Chaos vs Order = Good (There are so many ways you can take this)

Tech Singularity could have been much better.

But Organic vs Synthetic gets resolved at Rannoch. Why bring it up again?

Modifié par fiendishchicken, 28 septembre 2012 - 11:14 .

[krukow]

fiendishchicken wrote...
But Organic vs Synthetic gets resolved at Rannoch. Why bring it up again?

You're over-simplifying.  That's like saying that war gets resolved at Rannoch because the geth-quarian war is resolved there.  Only one synthetic/organic dispute is resolved there, not all of them.

The problem was that that ending was never forshadowed, and Organic/synthetic was never a big plot point.  The moonbase in ME1 is an entirely skippable mission, and Legion joins you in ME2.  There was never a "this is the biggest problem facing the galaxy" feel to it.

[fiendishchicken]

krukow wrote...

fiendishchicken wrote...
But Organic vs Synthetic gets resolved at Rannoch. Why bring it up again?

You're over-simplifying.  That's like saying that war gets resolved at Rannoch because the geth-quarian war is resolved there.  Only one synthetic/organic dispute is resolved there, not all of them.

The problem was that that ending was never forshadowed, and Organic/synthetic was never a big plot point.  The moonbase in ME1 is an entirely skippable mission, and Legion joins you in ME2.  There was never a "this is the biggest problem facing the galaxy" feel to it.

To your first paragraph, I respond with the fact that it can be solved. The Geth and Quarians, Synthetic and Organic, put aside their differences to combat the real enemy. And the Geth wish to understand, not incite. Legion himself says this. The Geth do not wish harm to organics who do nothing to deserve it. Provided the Quarians don't attack again, the Geth would not be a threat. And as for EDI, that's another point that justifies my example.

Indeed that is the problem. It was a secondary point, and it was a resolved point. 

[Sable Rhapsody]

fiendishchicken wrote...
To your first paragraph, I respond with the fact that it can be solved. The Geth and Quarians, Synthetic and Organic, put aside their differences to combat the real enemy. And the Geth wish to understand, not incite. Legion himself says this. The Geth do not wish harm to organics who do nothing to deserve it. Provided the Quarians don't attack again, the Geth would not be a threat. And as for EDI, that's another point that justifies my example.

The geth could be the exception rather than the rule.  There's no guarantee that synthetic life-forms in other cycles would be as reasonable or as sympathetic.  

Though the resolution of the geth/quarian conflict does completely neuter any need for Reaper intervention in our current cycle.

Shep:  Look, we're all getting along!  No killing here.  Now please leave us alone.
Reapers: ORGANICS  VS. SYNTHETICS KILLMURDERMAIM
Shep: What. The. Hell.

Modifié par Sable Rhapsody, 28 septembre 2012 - 11:47 .

[krukow]

fiendishchicken wrote...
To your first paragraph, I respond with the fact that it can be solved. The Geth and Quarians, Synthetic and Organic, put aside their differences to combat the real enemy. And the Geth wish to understand, not incite. Legion himself says this. The Geth do not wish harm to organics who do nothing to deserve it. Provided the Quarians don't attack again, the Geth would not be a threat. And as for EDI, that's another point that justifies my example.

Indeed that is the problem. It was a secondary point, and it was a resolved point. 

Disagree.

Just because something is possible doesn't mean it is neccessary.  And the synthetic singularity only has to happen once.  So if peace between synthetics and organics happens 999 times out of 1,000, that 1,000th time could easily be the death of all organics.

Though I also happen to think that the idea that synthetics will dominate us someday is stupid.  I've never had a computer that could go five years without a critical error, yet a whole race of them will dominate someday?

Pssshh.  A real synthetic/organic war would end when some 17 year old got bored and hacked the leader and made it make unicorn sounds for the rest of it's life...

[fiendishchicken]

krukow wrote...

fiendishchicken wrote...
To your first paragraph, I respond with the fact that it can be solved. The Geth and Quarians, Synthetic and Organic, put aside their differences to combat the real enemy. And the Geth wish to understand, not incite. Legion himself says this. The Geth do not wish harm to organics who do nothing to deserve it. Provided the Quarians don't attack again, the Geth would not be a threat. And as for EDI, that's another point that justifies my example.

Indeed that is the problem. It was a secondary point, and it was a resolved point. 

Disagree.

Just because something is possible doesn't mean it is neccessary.  And the synthetic singularity only has to happen once.  So if peace between synthetics and organics happens 999 times out of 1,000, that 1,000th time could easily be the death of all organics.

Though I also happen to think that the idea that synthetics will dominate us someday is stupid.  I've never had a computer that could go five years without a critical error, yet a whole race of them will dominate someday?

Pssshh.  A real synthetic/organic war would end when some 17 year old got bored and hacked the leader and made it make unicorn sounds for the rest of it's life...

I disagree to your disagree. It was finished. The Geth and Quarians have peace. The Geth (and EDI) have no desire to fight. Indeed, EDI is willing to fight for Organics at the risk of her own destruction. 

I understand what you are saying, but that particular element to the story was resolved at Rannoch. Just as the Genophage issue was resolved at Tuchanka. No need to bring it back later in the story.

[krukow]

fiendishchicken wrote...I understand what you are saying, but that particular element to the story was resolved at Rannoch. Just as the Genophage issue was resolved at Tuchanka. No need to bring it back later in the story.

Ah, but see, that's a good example.  The genophage is cured, but diseases, even terrible ones, still exist.

I mean, even after the genophage (a fertility disease) is cured, some women are still infertile!

Modifié par krukow, 29 septembre 2012 - 12:01 .

[fiendishchicken]

krukow wrote...

fiendishchicken wrote...I understand what you are saying, but that particular element to the story was resolved at Rannoch. Just as the Genophage issue was resolved at Tuchanka. No need to bring it back later in the story.

Ah, but see, that's a good example.  The genophage is cured, but diseases, even terrible ones, still exist.

I mean, even after the genophage (a fertility disease) is cured, some women are still infertile!

But the genophage is not natural. It was engineered by the Salarians.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

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Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 29 septembre 2012 - 12:10 .

[Sable Rhapsody]

Guys, when does Kasumi comment on Miri's romance? I'm curious to see what she says, but she just talked about Kelly. I only flirted with her so I wouldn't have to feed my own goddamn fish. Does Kelly's override the others or something?

[fiendishchicken]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Guys, when does Kasumi comment on Miri's romance? I'm curious to see what she says, but she just talked about Kelly. I only flirted with her so I wouldn't have to feed my own goddamn fish. Does Kelly's override the others or something?

Just keep talking to her. She tends to say stuff at random, so just keep checking. 

You did lock in the Miranda romance though correct?

[Steelcan]

fiendishchicken wrote...

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Guys, when does Kasumi comment on Miri's romance? I'm curious to see what she says, but she just talked about Kelly. I only flirted with her so I wouldn't have to feed my own goddamn fish. Does Kelly's override the others or something?

Just keep talking to her. She tends to say stuff at random, so just keep checking. 

You did lock in the Miranda romance though correct?

. I miss all the Miranda content from ME2:crying:

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Off Topic:  I'm still playing ME2, and I have yet to buy and download Leviathan. There has been word spreading about a "Bug" with Leviathan and the EC. Have any of you encountered this Bug? After I'm done with ME3 with My Canon, I will not be seeing My Story for a long time (When that time comes, I will be focusing on the Holiday Season, and I will be remaking My "FemShep" Story in January), and I want it to go out with a bang (In a GOOD  Way).

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 29 septembre 2012 - 12:51 .

[Steelcan]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

Off Topic:  I'm still playing ME2, and I have yet to buy and download Leviathan. There has been word spreading about a "Bug" with Leviathan and the EC. Have any of you encountered this Bug? After I'm done with ME3 with My Canon, I will not be seeing My Story for a long time (When that time comes, I will be focusing on the Holiday Season, and I will be remaking My "FemShep" Story in January), and I want it to go out with a bang (In a GOOD  Way).

. I've heard about that as well, the best person to ask may be our resident troll, ghost

[dtrain24]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Guys, when does Kasumi comment on Miri's romance? I'm curious to see what she says, but she just talked about Kelly. I only flirted with her so I wouldn't have to feed my own goddamn fish. Does Kelly's override the others or something?

As Fiendish said, make sure you're locked in with Miranda. 
It's the conversation where she asks you not to die on her, damn it! haha 

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Steelcan wrote...

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

Off Topic:  I'm still playing ME2, and I have yet to buy and download Leviathan. There has been word spreading about a "Bug" with Leviathan and the EC. Have any of you encountered this Bug? After I'm done with ME3 with My Canon, I will not be seeing My Story for a long time (When that time comes, I will be focusing on the Holiday Season, and I will be remaking My "FemShep" Story in January), and I want it to go out with a bang (In a GOOD  Way).

. I've heard about that as well, the best person to ask may be our resident troll, ghost

At the end, when talking to the Catalyst (in the EC), what happens when you say "I reject these Choices" at the end of the Conversation?

[Steelcan]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

Off Topic:  I'm still playing ME2, and I have yet to buy and download Leviathan. There has been word spreading about a "Bug" with Leviathan and the EC. Have any of you encountered this Bug? After I'm done with ME3 with My Canon, I will not be seeing My Story for a long time (When that time comes, I will be focusing on the Holiday Season, and I will be remaking My "FemShep" Story in January), and I want it to go out with a bang (In a GOOD  Way).

. I've heard about that as well, the best person to ask may be our resident troll, ghost

At the end, when talking to the Catalyst (in the EC), what happens when you say "I reject these Choices" at the end of the Conversation?

. You reject them, it triggers refuse