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[Sebby]

jtav wrote...

"First he kept." Two possibilities, really. He killed them or he imprisoned them somewhere.

Or they were aborted or sent out for adoption.

I don't see how "first one he kept" automatically translates into Mr.Lawson being a serial child killer.

[Filuto]

Miranda is best female character, romance option, squadmate..... she better be back.... and i hope the infertility thing will resolve in ME3 i would like a happy ending with Shep + Miranda having offspring so i can play for him/her in ME4 .

[CuseGirl]

Filuto wrote...

Miranda is best female character, romance option, squadmate..... she better be back.... and i hope the infertility thing will resolve in ME3 i would like a happy ending with Shep + Miranda having offspring so i can play for him/her in ME4 .

i think most of us will be content if she's on the squad and we can keep her alive thru the Reaper invasion

[Ieldra]

CuseGirl wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Yep. I *have* played ME1, and I do like Ashley, but I'm going to like her a lot less if she's going to have significantly more screen time than Miranda. I'm sort of resigned about Jacob, who I also like quite a bit, but there's every reason not to sideline Miranda, and if they do, it will appear like arbitrary favoritism.

I'm also a bit worried about straight up character suicide with her. Because she's one of Cerberus' best operatives, she's in an odd place, considering Cerberus' antogonism to Shepard. Was her resignation legit? If they're gunning for Shepard, they have to be gunning for her. Maybe she'll betray you.....::sigh::

Yes, that's the other danger - turning her into something she isn't, whitewashing her, chickifying her etc... I don't worry about her being killed in body, but I do worry about her being killed in spirit.

[Filuto]

CuseGirl wrote...

Filuto wrote...

Miranda is best female character, romance option, squadmate..... she better be back.... and i hope the infertility thing will resolve in ME3 i would like a happy ending with Shep + Miranda having offspring so i can play for him/her in ME4 .

i think most of us will be content if she's on the squad and we can keep her alive thru the Reaper invasion

well yes you are right but i describe my ideal ME universe

[Ieldra]

Filuto wrote...
Miranda is best female character, romance option, squadmate..... she better be back.... and i hope the infertility thing will resolve in ME3 i would like a happy ending with Shep + Miranda having offspring so i can play for him/her in ME4 .

Never seen you here before, Filuto. Welcome. Yes, Miranda is the bestest and the infertility needs to go in some way or the other, but there are strings attached. No children in ME3, please, just leave that to the players' imagination. And plainly, the infertility presents a unique opportunity for Miranda to use her father's technology to circumvent it and make her children the same way she was created - only with a regular partner this time, and normal genetic inheritance. I would see that as an indication that she has come to terms with her origins.

[jtav]

Just don't break the character. Though for now, I can retreat into AUs like this one.

Summary: We believed Reaper technology wasn't magic and could be understood, that it was essential we not rest on our technological laurels. Now we're tasked with studying the Collector base. Nothing worth doing is easy or safe. But we can't afford failure.

Miranda is primarily paired with an original character, though the spectre of Jacob is prominent.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
Just don't break the character. Though for now, I can retreat into AUs like this one.

Summary: We believed Reaper technology wasn't magic and could be understood, that it was essential we not rest on our technological laurels. Now we're tasked with studying the Collector base. Nothing worth doing is easy or safe. But we can't afford failure.

Miranda is primarily paired with an original character, though the spectre of Jacob is prominent.

This is an interesting twist of the CB situation. Looking forward to more - only Miranda is too emotional in the first paragraph. So "too much" that when I started to read, I thought it wasn't her POV you were writing from.

BTW, I take it you were more than a little angry when you started to write this. Not so good. It is noticeable.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 08 août 2011 - 03:38 .

[Filuto]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Filuto wrote...
Miranda is best female character, romance option, squadmate..... she better be back.... and i hope the infertility thing will resolve in ME3 i would like a happy ending with Shep + Miranda having offspring so i can play for him/her in ME4 .

Never seen you here before, Filuto. Welcome. Yes, Miranda is the bestest and the infertility needs to go in some way or the other, but there are strings attached. No children in ME3, please, just leave that to the players' imagination. And plainly, the infertility presents a unique opportunity for Miranda to use her father's technology to circumvent it and make her children the same way she was created - only with a regular partner this time, and normal genetic inheritance. I would see that as an indication that she has come to terms with her origins.

thank you for welcoming
And about infertility i was a bit disappointed but basicly it does not change a thing i always romanced miranda as i wrote she is best female character(infertile or not) i mean:

Ashley have really annoyng chracter and she is dead  

 Liara  have tentacle head and imho creepy voice and if   children will be involve in ME i dont want for shepard to have a smurf 

Tali she has nice personality but those chicken legs are weird and  can you imagine human quarian offspring(if it is possible and i doubt it)? poor kid i am not renegade  

Jack well if i overlook  psycho killer thing she is 

so conclusion is that miranda is pure win


                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                                                       

[jtav]

No I wasn't particularly angry. Miranda is grieving, though and that tends to make her lash out. Her actual anger is colder. And she lost her crew, one of her last true friends, and her boyfriend in a very short space of time. I think she's justified in being a little less reserved.

[Td1984]

Seboist wrote...

She had noble intentions but she didn't factor in what Oriana wanted who's the one who should ultimately decide whether or not to remain with the father. Regardless the law is on Mr.X's side.

Chances are, if Oriana was left with Mr. X until she was old enough to decide what she wants, he would've been better prepared to prevent her escape because of his failure to stop Miranda. The only way Oriana would've ever been able to get away was with Miranda taking her.

[LuxDragon]

Arijharn wrote...

Lux, how on Earth are you going to finish your fanfic at chapter 60?

Easily, since I have some of it typed up.

[TheMarshal]

jtav wrote...

"First he kept." Two possibilities, really. He killed them or he imprisoned them somewhere.

Or he liquified them to create the next batch...

::gasp!::

Miranda is a Reaper!!

[MisterJB]

Well, she certainly indocrinated me.
...
Ok, that was terrible.

[The Elder King]

LuxDragon wrote...

Arijharn wrote...

Lux, how on Earth are you going to finish your fanfic at chapter 60?

Easily, since I have some of it typed up.

Are you going to end you fanfic with the CB mission, right?

[LuxDragon]

Seboist wrote...

jtav wrote...

"First he kept." Two possibilities, really. He killed them or he imprisoned them somewhere.

Or they were aborted or sent out for adoption.

I don't see how "first one he kept" automatically translates into Mr.Lawson being a serial child killer.

Because he created them. That's the key thing: Created. Not born.

If he's as egotisical as Miranda says he is  (and I believe her), then it's not a stretch to believes he can giveth and taketh away.

Besides, throwing them out for adoption means he has a bunch of kids that has his genetic code in them. They're potential heirs to his company, fortune, or evidence of his ego (Which might be frowned upon. Sex scandels are a pain for many people in power so what does a test tube genetic creation do?)

hhh89 wrote...

LuxDragon wrote...

Arijharn wrote...

Lux, how on Earth are you going to finish your fanfic at chapter 60?

Easily, since I have some of it typed up.

Are you going to end you fanfic with the CB mission, right?

Yep.

[ViSeiRa]

Dammit, I go AWOL for three days and the thread explodes... I've got lots of reading to do

[TheMarshal]

LuxDragon wrote...

Because he created them. That's the key thing: Created. Not born.

If he's as egotisical as Miranda says he is  (and I believe her), then it's not a stretch to believes he can giveth and taketh away.

Besides, throwing them out for adoption means he has a bunch of kids that has his genetic code in them. They're potential heirs to his company, fortune, or evidence of his ego (Which might be frowned upon. Sex scandels are a pain for many people in power so what does a test tube genetic creation do?)

This is also a pretty strong argument for the infertility being by design.  If he wants total control over his genetic code, the last thing he'd want is for his daughter to get knocked up by an inferior male.

[Ieldra]

The infertility is almost certainly not by design. The "benign neoplasm" was in the process of developing around the time of ME2. As an intentional measure, that would be pretty crappy.

@LuxDragon:
The claim was that "the first one he kept" does not *necessarily* mean he had the other sisters killed. It appears possible, maybe even likely, but it's still an assumption.

[LuxDragon]

Yeah, but the idea that Miranda has a bunch of 'twin' sisters running around would mean that there're should be many near-prodigies as well. And all of them looking just like each other. And even if they didn't meet his demand of perfection, one or two of them would no doubt make a name for themselves because of their inherant advantages.

And happens when they draw attention? It can go back to him.

So, yes, it's an assumption, but at least there are convincing arguments to support it.

Once again, it really goes back to how much you trust Miranda at her word and she's isn't the kind to be prone to exaggeration.

Modifié par LuxDragon, 08 août 2011 - 07:36 .

[Ieldra]

LuxDragon wrote...
Once again, it really goes back to how much you trust Miranda at her word and she's isn't the kind to be prone to exaggeration.

I am sorry it is not. Even if I believe Miranda in what she says - she never says that her father had her sisters killed or institutionalized. She just says she was the first one he kept. She may not even know what happened to her other sisters. Why are you belaboring the obvious? We have NOT A SINGLE PIECE OF EVIDENCE for the killing scenario. All we have have is "It appears likely". Why the hell is "It appears líkely" now enough to shoot someone, thrice damn it? And why is "he appears to be the kind of person who would do it" suddenly taken as evidence?

My, this is getting ridiculous. I really don't want to defend Mr.X., but this unreasonable attitude sends me up the wall.

BTW, I too, find that scenario likely. But I won't act on it in the game unless I get something more than "It appears likely".

Modifié par Ieldra2, 08 août 2011 - 08:12 .

[jtav]

We know he's extremely controlling. We know they were discarded in some fashion. We know he abused Miranda, We know he was willing to use force to retake his daughter. Moreover, we know that the ME writing team tends to be more morally absolutist. So within the confines of the universe, I feel entirely justified in writing him of as a card-carrying villain. You're looking for complexity where none exists. He's no better than Ronald Taylor.

[MisterJB]

His continued hunt for Oriana warrants his murder.

[KamikazeShepard]

Why is there doubt that Miri's father isn't as evil as Miranda describes him to be. He pretty much sounds like a control freak. I wouldn't be surprised if he teams up with Cerberus in ME3 to hunt down Miranda.

[Little Red Corvette]

 
Her right eye's a little.. closed. But I liked the pic because she's smiling, 

And we need a picture on this page