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[Ieldra]

krukow wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

It's no more far fetched than the galaxy rebuilding in ten to fifteen years as stated at the SDCC and that's in all of the endings.

You can do whatever you wish.

And Miranda would be overjoyed. Srs.

It's not that it's far-fetched, it's that it goes against what's shown on screen.

I'm not a proponent of head-canoning away actual canon.  Why bother playing the game then?

Though if he comes back green, it'd be worth it for the lulz...

Shepard already came back once, remember? We saw him die, on screen. People confirmed he was brain-dead, both in ME2 and in ME3. In fact, we have more information about Shepard's death at the start of ME2 than we have about Shepard's death at the end of ME3.

Face it: death isn't permanent in the ME universe any more. It takes less "space magic" to make Shepard come back after Synthesis than it took Bioware at the start of ME2. And actually, I believe Keiji's appearance in the epilogue slide is a subtle hint that we are free to imagine Shepard coming back, if we find a way to make it somewhat plausible. jtav has found such a way, and I am using it in my headcanon.

(I recall having asked for exactly such a subtle hint in my first post in the "suggested changes" thread, a few days after the ending sh*tstorm had reached its peak and Bioware was forced to react.)

So Shepard will come back in my post-Synthesis future - in one of them, at least - and have a life with Miranda. Few people know it's him though, and he likes it that way.  

Modifié par Ieldra2, 01 octobre 2012 - 04:37 .

[fiendishchicken]

They will totally elope. I'm calling it.

[Taboo]

However, Vitalism is indeed space magic. Unless Shepard is activating Synthesis with the equivalent of two D Volt batteries. I could activate Synthesis with my weed whacker!

Super MAC's magic will bless all of you equally. :innocent:

Modifié par Taboo-XX, 01 octobre 2012 - 04:39 .

[fiendishchicken]

Ieldra2 wrote...

krukow wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

It's no more far fetched than the galaxy rebuilding in ten to fifteen years as stated at the SDCC and that's in all of the endings.

You can do whatever you wish.

And Miranda would be overjoyed. Srs.

It's not that it's far-fetched, it's that it goes against what's shown on screen.

I'm not a proponent of head-canoning away actual canon.  Why bother playing the game then?

Though if he comes back green, it'd be worth it for the lulz...

Shepard already came back once, remember? We saw him die, on screen. People confirmed he was brain-dead, both in ME2 and in ME3. In fact, we have more information about Shepard's death at the start of ME2 than we have about Shepard's death at the end of ME3.

Face it: death isn't permanent in the ME universe any more. It takes less "space magic" to make Shepard come back after Synthesis than it took Bioware at the start of ME2. And actually, I believe Keiji's appearance in the epilogue slide is a subtle hint that we are free to imagine Shepard coming back, if we find a way to make it somewhat plausible. jtav has found such a way, and I am using it in my headcanon.

(I recall having asked for exactly such a subtle hint in my first post in the "suggested changes" thread, a few days after the ending sh*tstorm had reached its peak and Bioware was forced to react.)

So Shepard will come back in my post-Synthesis future - in one of them, at least - and have a life with Miranda. Few people know it's him though, and he likes it that way.  

IMO, he died once. He doesn't need to die again. 

I'm fine and dandy with your headcanon, but BW intended for the deaths in Control and Synthesis to be final from their POV. Which is really retarded.

Even if they're finished with him, they should leave him alive. Never know if they'll return to him at some point down the road.

Modifié par fiendishchicken, 01 octobre 2012 - 04:44 .

[Taboo]

My Shepard would let her decide. He's always been that way with her. Very patient, kind. Should she wish to marry him he would do so without hesitation.

But under no circumstances can she take his name.

It wouldn't be the same if he couldn't call her Miss Lawson.

[krukow]

The difference, for me, comes down to two things:
1. It explicitly states he's dead in the EC, and shows things that happen years later, and he's still dead. It is a part of the EC that Shepard is dead and stays dead. That's the official creators canon.
2. When he dies in ME2, there was a corpse and, specifically, a very intact brain to regrow him from. In synthesis, he's completely and utterly atomized. There's nothing left to regrow him from. He's completely gone, so bringing him back is impossible.

It's your headcanon, those are just the reasons I can't see him returning in synthesis. Each ending has a cost, Shep's life is the cost of synthesis.

Modifié par krukow, 01 octobre 2012 - 04:46 .

[Steelcan]

^. Agreed

[enayasoul]

fiendishchicken wrote...

They will totally elope. I'm calling it.

You could be right!  I could see it happening.

[Steelcan]

The way I see it in the endings:

1. Destroy = Shepard lives
2. Control = Shepard's mind lives on, his physical body is gone
3. Syntheis = Shepard dead in both body and mind

[jtav]

He dies in two endings. To which I say: so? I don't need BW to do anything, and what they intended doesn't matter here. Ieldra wants him back. There exists a way that doesn't violate a single detail of canon. And considering I once brought back Miranda as an AI, this isn't even the most outlandish thing I've devised.

Modifié par jtav, 01 octobre 2012 - 04:48 .

[krukow]

Steelcan wrote...

The way I see it in the endings:

1. Destroy = Shepard lives
2. Control = Shepard's mind lives on, his physical body is gone
3. Syntheis = Shepard dead in both body and mind

Control is a tough one.  I see that more as Shepard's ideals live on.

He's totally dead, and the AI differentiates itself from him.

And Meer's narration is badass in that ending (even though I never pick it).

[fiendishchicken]

krukow wrote...

The difference, for me, comes down to two things:
1. It explicitly states he's dead in the EC, and shows things that happen years later, and he's still dead. It is a part of the EC that Shepard is dead and stays dead. That's the official creators canon.
2. When he dies in ME2, there was a corpse and, specifically, a very intact brain to regrow him form. In synthesis, he's completely and utterly atomized. There's nothing left to regrow him from. He's completely gone, so bringing him back is impossible.

It's your headcanon, those are just the reasons I can't see him returning in synthesis. Each ending has a cost, Shep's life is the cost of synthesis.

And to me, that's an unacceptable cost. It's not THE reason, but it is A reason for me to not pick synthesis.

My Shepard is a survivor. He won't die. And when he does, it just pisses him off. He's too stubborn to die. He stands and stares in the face of death and tells it overtakes him completely yet he still rises up, stronger than ever out of the Ashes.

To quote Darth Revan (another person who has defied death repeatedly), "Death is such a small impediment."

And one of his associates Zaeed: "A stubborn enough person can survive just about anything."

And he has Miranda to live for. Boy do I have a big story for this.

[fiendishchicken]

jtav wrote...

He dies in two endings. To which I say: so? I don't need BW to do anything, and what they intended doesn't matter here. Ieldra wants him back. There exists a way that doesn't violate a single detail of canon. And considering I once brought back Miranda as an AI, this isn't even the most outlandish thing I've devised.

There was the whole turning someone who was straight into a lesbian thing. That's pretty far-fetched.

[Taboo]

Rage is a hell of an anesthetic. Quite.

Thankfully Thomas is no junkie.

And now that the Miranda Lawson Twitter account likes him...

I'm happy, hope you're happy too.

[krukow]

fiendishchicken wrote...

jtav wrote...

He dies in two endings. To which I say: so? I don't need BW to do anything, and what they intended doesn't matter here. Ieldra wants him back. There exists a way that doesn't violate a single detail of canon. And considering I once brought back Miranda as an AI, this isn't even the most outlandish thing I've devised.

There was the whole turning someone who was straight into a lesbian thing. That's pretty far-fetched.

Well, Miranda is infertile, so she should obviously be a lesbian.

[Steelcan]

krukow wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

The way I see it in the endings:

1. Destroy = Shepard lives
2. Control = Shepard's mind lives on, his physical body is gone
3. Syntheis = Shepard dead in both body and mind

Control is a tough one.  I see that more as Shepard's ideals live on.

He's totally dead, and the AI differentiates itself from him.

And Meer's narration is badass in that ending (even though I never pick it).

. I picked it once in a profile just to see it on my nice tv^_^  Synthesis will never appear on it though, I just cannot bring myself to commit that stupidity.  I really like the renegade voice over.  But destroy is still the best

[Taboo]

^ Yes I took care of a troll in here.

I also solved the fertility issues.

Fa-fa-fabulous.

Modifié par Taboo-XX, 01 octobre 2012 - 04:59 .

[fiendishchicken]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Rage is a hell of an anesthetic. Quite.

Thankfully Thomas is no junkie.

And now that the Miranda Lawson Twitter account likes him...

I'm happy, hope you're happy too.

My Shepard drinks A LOT of alcohol.

He's not an alcoholic though since it's not really a problem for him.

He'll engage in less than legal means of entertainment. Before he meet's Miranda of course. And he did experiment for a while with drugs. 

Thing for him is that they don't give him the high that he feels from combat. Or being with Miranda.

He gets his kick being in stressful situations.

[Steelcan]

krukow wrote...

fiendishchicken wrote...

jtav wrote...

He dies in two endings. To which I say: so? I don't need BW to do anything, and what they intended doesn't matter here. Ieldra wants him back. There exists a way that doesn't violate a single detail of canon. And considering I once brought back Miranda as an AI, this isn't even the most outlandish thing I've devised.

There was the whole turning someone who was straight into a lesbian thing. That's pretty far-fetched.

Well, Miranda is infertile, so she should obviously be a lesbian.

. Wasn't she originally planned as Bi-sexual?

[krukow]

Steelcan wrote...

krukow wrote...

fiendishchicken wrote...

jtav wrote...

He dies in two endings. To which I say: so? I don't need BW to do anything, and what they intended doesn't matter here. Ieldra wants him back. There exists a way that doesn't violate a single detail of canon. And considering I once brought back Miranda as an AI, this isn't even the most outlandish thing I've devised.

There was the whole turning someone who was straight into a lesbian thing. That's pretty far-fetched.

Well, Miranda is infertile, so she should obviously be a lesbian.

. Wasn't she originally planned as Bi-sexual?

Seriously, I think every human was originally planned as bi sexual.

Except Jacob.

Only Kaidan wound up being bi though.

Which fits.

[Steelcan]

fiendishchicken wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...
Rage is a hell of an anesthetic. Quite.
Thankfully Thomas is no junkie.
And now that the Miranda Lawson Twitter account likes him...
I'm happy, hope you're happy too.

My Shepard drinks A LOT of alcohol.
He's not an alcoholic though since it's not really a problem for him.
He'll engage in less than legal means of entertainment. Before he meet's Miranda of course. And he did experiment for a while with drugs. 

Thing for him is that they don't give him the high that he feels from combat. Or being with Miranda.

He gets his kick being in stressful situations.

. My Shepard does have some vices.  Like alcohol and a thing for Asari hookers.  But he belongs to Miranda in the end

[Taboo]

Bisexual characters in this medium are not catered to Bisexual players when they are female.

A Bisexual Miranda would be that way for men and men only. That's why she isn't.

I'm all for LGBT characters but not when they set LGBT people BACKWARDS on the road to progress.

Miranda is heterosexual.

[krukow]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Bisexual characters in this medium are not catered to Bisexual players when they are female.

A Bisexual Miranda would be that way for men and men only. That's why she isn't.

I'm all for LGBT characters but not when they set LGBT people BACKWARDS on the road to progress.

Miranda is heterosexual.

Agreed.

And I actually think the gay characters they eventually added were really good.  Cortez, Traynor, and James are all pretty cool in their own right.

[fiendishchicken]

Taboo-XX wrote...

^ Yes I took care of a troll in here.

I also solved the fertility issues.

Fa-fa-fabulous.

I solved the aging issues.

Why Miranda is physically so young, while being in her mid-30's chronologically.

Her advanced mitochondria disposes of cellular waste (the cause of aging in layman's terms) far more efficiently and she's able to be physically very young for a longer time. Shepard's mojo does the same for him.

[Steelcan]

krukow wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

krukow wrote...

fiendishchicken wrote...

jtav wrote...
He dies in two endings. To which I say: so? I don't need BW to do anything, and what they intended doesn't matter here. Ieldra wants him back. There exists a way that doesn't violate a single detail of canon. And considering I once brought back Miranda as an AI, this isn't even the most outlandish thing I've devised.

There was the whole turning someone who was straight into a lesbian thing. That's pretty far-fetched.

Well, Miranda is infertile, so she should obviously be a lesbian.

. Wasn't she originally planned as Bi-sexual?

Seriously, I think every human was originally planned as bi sexual.
Except Jacob.
Only Kaidan wound up being bi though.
Which fits.

. I guess Liara doesn't count.  But I really dont see the others as bi, definately not Ashley or Jacob. Jack admits to it, but is only romancable by a male Shepard?