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[Taboo]

I'm actually more pleased about the troll being gone.

Modifié par Taboo-XX, 01 octobre 2012 - 05:06 .

[krukow]

Steelcan wrote.... I guess Liara doesn't count.  But I really dont see the others as bi, definately not Ashley or Jacob. Jack admits to it, but is only romancable by a male Shepard?

Liara doesn't count because she's a monogendered race.

Jack I don't think of as bi so much as someone who's gone through a LOT of phases.  She admits as much, that she was looking for something.  The bi thing was just another one of those things she was trying...

[fiendishchicken]

Steelcan wrote...

fiendishchicken wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...
Rage is a hell of an anesthetic. Quite.
Thankfully Thomas is no junkie.
And now that the Miranda Lawson Twitter account likes him...
I'm happy, hope you're happy too.

My Shepard drinks A LOT of alcohol.
He's not an alcoholic though since it's not really a problem for him.
He'll engage in less than legal means of entertainment. Before he meet's Miranda of course. And he did experiment for a while with drugs. 

Thing for him is that they don't give him the high that he feels from combat. Or being with Miranda.

He gets his kick being in stressful situations.

. My Shepard does have some vices.  Like alcohol and a thing for Asari hookers.  But he belongs to Miranda in the end

Oh, in ME1, my Shepard slept around with people: Lizbeth Baynham, Gianna Parasini, Shaira the Consort, etc. Then he hooked up with Ashley for about a month before he got blown away.

[krukow]

fiendishchicken wrote...Oh, in ME1, my Shepard slept around with people: Lizbeth Baynham, Gianna Parasini, Shaira the Consort, etc. Then he hooked up with Ashley for about a month before he got blown away.

But you said you killed her at Virmire.  How could both things be true?

Your lies have entrapped you!

[Taboo]

Growing up I'd like to think my Shepard was involved with plenty of things. Women, drugs, alcohol. Whatever.

Something made him leave though.

Gang war?

[jtav]

Miranda never states what she is. I've written her as a credible bisexual in a way that contradicts absolutely nothing. With Liara. With Traynor. Once with Shepard. I would have liked her available for FShep, mostly because she was poster girl. But the thing that matters to me is that *I* wrote her well, and didn't treat her like a sideshow freak because she was bi.

[fiendishchicken]

krukow wrote...

fiendishchicken wrote...Oh, in ME1, my Shepard slept around with people: Lizbeth Baynham, Gianna Parasini, Shaira the Consort, etc. Then he hooked up with Ashley for about a month before he got blown away.

But you said you killed her at Virmire.  How could both things be true?

Your lies have entrapped you!

I let her live so I can kill her myself (or have Miranda do it since Ashley has a... near homicidle vendetta against Miranda for "stealing her man" physically, mentally, and emotionally.)

[krukow]

fiendishchicken wrote...

krukow wrote...

fiendishchicken wrote...Oh, in ME1, my Shepard slept around with people: Lizbeth Baynham, Gianna Parasini, Shaira the Consort, etc. Then he hooked up with Ashley for about a month before he got blown away.

But you said you killed her at Virmire.  How could both things be true?

Your lies have entrapped you!

I let her live so I can kill her myself (or have Miranda do it since Ashley has a... near homicidle vendetta against Miranda for "stealing her man" physically, mentally, and emotionally.)

Your throne of lies is crumblings FC.  CRUMBLING!

You probably romance Tali in real life, but want to be cool, so pretend to mirimance...

[fiendishchicken]

jtav wrote...

Miranda never states what she is. I've written her as a credible bisexual in a way that contradicts absolutely nothing. With Liara. With Traynor. Once with Shepard. I would have liked her available for FShep, mostly because she was poster girl. But the thing that matters to me is that *I* wrote her well, and didn't treat her like a sideshow freak because she was bi.

I never state what I am unless asked. I'm 100% absolutely straight.

Miranda is as well. That's how BW made her. 

You're turning her into a Bi. People don't just go bi overnight. In fact, people don't really change at all in their life.

[fiendishchicken]

krukow wrote...

fiendishchicken wrote...

krukow wrote...

fiendishchicken wrote...Oh, in ME1, my Shepard slept around with people: Lizbeth Baynham, Gianna Parasini, Shaira the Consort, etc. Then he hooked up with Ashley for about a month before he got blown away.

But you said you killed her at Virmire.  How could both things be true?

Your lies have entrapped you!

I let her live so I can kill her myself (or have Miranda do it since Ashley has a... near homicidle vendetta against Miranda for "stealing her man" physically, mentally, and emotionally.)

Your throne of lies is crumblings FC.  CRUMBLING!

You probably romance Tali in real life, but want to be cool, so pretend to mirimance...

I have 2 playthroughs. Kaidan lives and Ashley lives. I only let Ashley live in my second to troll her.

As for Tali, damn my secrets out. I guess I need to go hang out with my Tali doll.

[Taboo]

jtav wrote...

Miranda never states what she is. I've written her as a credible bisexual in a way that contradicts absolutely nothing. With Liara. With Traynor. Once with Shepard. I would have liked her available for FShep, mostly because she was poster girl. But the thing that matters to me is that *I* wrote her well, and didn't treat her like a sideshow freak because she was bi.

In an AU of course.

In the abscence of evidence the burden of proof is on you.Without any evidence to support yourself your opinion is invalidated. You're using a logical fallacy to justify your opinion.

She is heterosexual in the canon universe.

I mean I'm flamboyant enough for most people to think I'm Bisexual. I'm not. Just because someone says nothing pertaining to sexuality it doesn't mean they are one way or the other.

[BP93]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Growing up I'd like to think my Shepard was involved with plenty of things. Women, drugs, alcohol. Whatever.

Something made him leave though.

Gang war?

Shepard lost a game of chess.

[fiendishchicken]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Growing up I'd like to think my Shepard was involved with plenty of things. Women, drugs, alcohol. Whatever.

Something made him leave though.

Gang war?

I have him be a jaded teenager that just wants to escape it all. He knows he's marked for greatness.

And from the little schooling he had, it was clear from aptitude tests that he was a genius.

I have him be like Kirk in the Star Trek movie a few years ago. An alliance officer (also a Cerberus agent on the side) meets him at a bar after a fight, looks up his file, and tells him he's the only genius level repeat offender on the West Coast. Sorta challenges Shepard to be better and be stronger.

This is also when Cerberus starts watching him, per the Cerberus agent's recommendation.

[krukow]

Taboo-XX wrote...

jtav wrote...

Miranda never states what she is. I've written her as a credible bisexual in a way that contradicts absolutely nothing. With Liara. With Traynor. Once with Shepard. I would have liked her available for FShep, mostly because she was poster girl. But the thing that matters to me is that *I* wrote her well, and didn't treat her like a sideshow freak because she was bi.

In an AU of course.

In the abscence of evidence the burden of proof is on you.Without any evidence to support yourself your opinion is invalidated. You're using a logical fallacy to justify your opinion.

She is heterosexual in the canon universe.

I mean I'm flamboyant enough for most people to think I'm Bisexual. I'm not. Just because someone says nothing pertaining to sexuality it doesn't mean they are one way or the other.

No dude, it totally works!

Miranda never says she's straight, therefor she isn't.

Just like:
Miranda never tells Shepard she loves him, therefor she doesn't!

[Taboo]

LOL BAR FIGHTS.

I'd imagine the hilarity that would ensue.

He might put a bar glass into the wrong guys eye and have to leave town post haste. The Alliance is a way out.

[fiendishchicken]

krukow wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

jtav wrote...

Miranda never states what she is. I've written her as a credible bisexual in a way that contradicts absolutely nothing. With Liara. With Traynor. Once with Shepard. I would have liked her available for FShep, mostly because she was poster girl. But the thing that matters to me is that *I* wrote her well, and didn't treat her like a sideshow freak because she was bi.

In an AU of course.

In the abscence of evidence the burden of proof is on you.Without any evidence to support yourself your opinion is invalidated. You're using a logical fallacy to justify your opinion.

She is heterosexual in the canon universe.

I mean I'm flamboyant enough for most people to think I'm Bisexual. I'm not. Just because someone says nothing pertaining to sexuality it doesn't mean they are one way or the other.

No dude, it totally works!

Miranda never says she's straight, therefor she isn't.

Just like:
Miranda never tells Shepard she loves him, therefor she doesn't!

Better yet, you never see Miranda do anything in ME3 except look for her sister, therfor she doesn't do anything in ME3 except look for her sister!

Fallacies!!! 

Modifié par fiendishchicken, 01 octobre 2012 - 05:20 .

[fiendishchicken]

Taboo-XX wrote...

I'm actually more pleased about the troll being gone.

It's been a couple days. Maybe she got perma banned?

[krukow]

Who was this troll? Why don't I remember them and/or have a friend request to them (I'm friends with DragonClaw and Ghost...)

[Taboo]

It was time.

Now Miranda can harass my Shepard in peace. ALL THE YELLING.

[CrutchCricket]

Taboo-XX wrote...
In an AU of course.

In the abscence of evidence the burden of proof is on you.Without any evidence to support yourself your opinion is invalidated. You're using a logical fallacy to justify your opinion.

She is heterosexual in the canon universe.

I mean I'm flamboyant enough for most people to think I'm Bisexual. I'm not. Just because someone says nothing pertaining to sexuality it doesn't mean they are one way or the other.

Burden of proof? It's a character interpretation. As long as it does not contradict canon (and there is no definitive answer on Miranda's orientation) it's valid. I don't know if jtav's version does or not, I didn't read it.

And if you don't correct them, people will be justified in imagining you're bi (based on your last comment). Has nothing to do with what you actually are, but how people can interpret you.

[TheMarshal]

fiendishchicken wrote...

jtav wrote...

Miranda never states what she is. I've written her as a credible bisexual in a way that contradicts absolutely nothing. With Liara. With Traynor. Once with Shepard. I would have liked her available for FShep, mostly because she was poster girl. But the thing that matters to me is that *I* wrote her well, and didn't treat her like a sideshow freak because she was bi.

I never state what I am unless asked. I'm 100% absolutely straight.

Miranda is as well. That's how BW made her. 

You're turning her into a Bi. People don't just go bi overnight. In fact, people don't really change at all in their life.

That's a pretty idiotic thing to claim.  Tastes change.  Preferences change.  People grow.  They learn new things about themselves and the world around them.  They understand or view things differently.  Someone who's never admitted attraction to a member of the same sex before could come to realize this whole other aspect of themselves that they never understood before.  It may not happen to everybody, but it does happen.

But that has nothing to do with the idea that Miranda could be attracted to someone who's female.  As has been stated before, a history with men does not preclude a future with women.  Nor does it mean that there haven't been any women in Miranda's past.  The one (and only) thing we know about Miranda's romantic life is that she and Jacob used to be an item.  If we're taking things solely at face value, are we to assume that she's only had one boyfriend?  (Plus however many iPartners hook-ups in the name of procreation)

There's what we see in the game, then there's stuff that's referenced in the game, then there's this great big void of stuff that's neither mentioned nor shown in the game.  That's where fanfiction and headcanon comes into play, and it's the reason why RPGs and other character-driven stories have such devoted fans, because the story doesn't have to end when the credits roll, so long as we have the desire and the creativity to continue the story for ourselves.  So what if someone thinks that Miranda could be bisexual?  As you said, you never see it in the game.  It's never going to be confirmed one way or another.  It doesn't affect you or your perception of Miranda, does it?

Of course, take a look at the final QEC call between FemShep and Miranda on Earth and tell me there's not a teensy bit of sexual tension...  

[fiendishchicken]

TheMarshal wrote...

fiendishchicken wrote...

jtav wrote...

Miranda never states what she is. I've written her as a credible bisexual in a way that contradicts absolutely nothing. With Liara. With Traynor. Once with Shepard. I would have liked her available for FShep, mostly because she was poster girl. But the thing that matters to me is that *I* wrote her well, and didn't treat her like a sideshow freak because she was bi.

I never state what I am unless asked. I'm 100% absolutely straight.

Miranda is as well. That's how BW made her. 

You're turning her into a Bi. People don't just go bi overnight. In fact, people don't really change at all in their life.

That's a pretty idiotic thing to claim.  Tastes change.  Preferences change.  People grow.  They learn new things about themselves and the world around them.  They understand or view things differently.  Someone who's never admitted attraction to a member of the same sex before could come to realize this whole other aspect of themselves that they never understood before.  It may not happen to everybody, but it does happen.

But that has nothing to do with the idea that Miranda could be attracted to someone who's female.  As has been stated before, a history with men does not preclude a future with women.  Nor does it mean that there haven't been any women in Miranda's past.  The one (and only) thing we know about Miranda's romantic life is that she and Jacob used to be an item.  If we're taking things solely at face value, are we to assume that she's only had one boyfriend?  (Plus however many iPartners hook-ups in the name of procreation)

There's what we see in the game, then there's stuff that's referenced in the game, then there's this great big void of stuff that's neither mentioned nor shown in the game.  That's where fanfiction and headcanon comes into play, and it's the reason why RPGs and other character-driven stories have such devoted fans, because the story doesn't have to end when the credits roll, so long as we have the desire and the creativity to continue the story for ourselves.  So what if someone thinks that Miranda could be bisexual?  As you said, you never see it in the game.  It's never going to be confirmed one way or another.  It doesn't affect you or your perception of Miranda, does it?

Of course, take a look at the final QEC call between FemShep and Miranda on Earth and tell me there's not a teensy bit of sexual tension...  

There is.

But you're wrong. People don't just change over to one sexuality or another. Look at how it is in real life. Anyone still going after someone of their own sex after 25 is probably set down that path.

I should have realized I'd get all the hate pouring in on that post...

[Taboo]

CrutchCricket wrote...

Burden of proof? It's a character interpretation. As long as it does not contradict canon (and there is no definitive answer on Miranda's orientation) it's valid. I don't know if jtav's version does or not, I didn't read it.

And if you don't correct them, people will be justified in imagining you're bi (based on your last comment). Has nothing to do with what you actually are, but how people can interpret you.

It does contradict canon. Remember the dossiers? No ladies champ. You're picking fights like you always do.

She was presented as heterosexual for a reason. Any indication otherwise is not only contradicting canon but it's offensive.

Sexuality is a finite concept, it isn't open to interpretation. You are or you aren't. Do you want me to call in the Steve people?

[fiendishchicken]

CrutchCricket wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...
In an AU of course.

In the abscence of evidence the burden of proof is on you.Without any evidence to support yourself your opinion is invalidated. You're using a logical fallacy to justify your opinion.

She is heterosexual in the canon universe.

I mean I'm flamboyant enough for most people to think I'm Bisexual. I'm not. Just because someone says nothing pertaining to sexuality it doesn't mean they are one way or the other.

Burden of proof? It's a character interpretation. As long as it does not contradict canon (and there is no definitive answer on Miranda's orientation) it's valid. I don't know if jtav's version does or not, I didn't read it.

And if you don't correct them, people will be justified in imagining you're bi (based on your last comment). Has nothing to do with what you actually are, but how people can interpret you.

Just as I had someone who seriously thought I was gay once. He told me. 

**** did I go off on him. I'm pretty sure he ended up in the hospital...

Alcohol used to do that to me. It wasn't pretty.

Modifié par fiendishchicken, 01 octobre 2012 - 05:36 .

[krukow]

I think a new forum rule should be that everyone has to be able to define the fallacy "arguing from silence" before they're allowed to post in the BSN.

And Miranda is straight.