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"I'll always want you in my life." Miranda Lawson in Mass Effect 3


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As stupid as synthesis is, I think even more stupid than that is Shepard living, he's gone for good and no no memory shard can bring him back. Bringing him back from the dead once was far-fetched enough. Using his memories to bring him back in another body? Just plain ridiculous.

As of the wedding, I can't see a religious ceremony for them. I can picture something small and that's it. Eloping on the other hand, I can totally see that happening.

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No it's plain offensive that people are treating sexuality this way. You are or you aren't.

People are again simply frustrated that the character isn't what they wanted.

In an AU Universe it's fine. Canon Universe, no.

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Taboo-XX wrote...

No it's plain offensive that people are treating sexuality this way. You are or you aren't.

People are again simply frustrated that the character isn't what they wanted.

In an AU Universe it's fine. Canon Universe, no.


Ditto.

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Taboo-XX wrote...

It does contradict canon. Remember the dossiers? No ladies champ. You're picking fights like you always do.

She was presented as heterosexual for a reason. Any indication otherwise is not only contradicting canon but it's offensive.

Sexuality is a finite concept, it isn't open to interpretation. You are or you aren't. Do you want me to call in the Steve people?

A precedent of a few cases means nothing. Care to talk about the happily married with x amount of children spouse who wakes up one day and realizes they want to bat for the other team?

Or am I touching a sensitve spot? You're pretty quick with the hostility these days.

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fiendishchicken wrote...

Just as I had someone who seriously thought I was gay once. He told me. 

**** did I go off on him. I'm pretty sure he ended up in the hospital...

Alcohol used to do that to me. It wasn't pretty.

Well your methods notwithstanding,  you did correct him.

Miranda can't correct anyone. She's fictional.

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CrutchCricket wrote...

A precedent of a few cases means nothing. Care to talk about the happily married with x amount of children spouse who wakes up one day and realizes they want to bat for the other team?

Or am I touching a sensitve spot? You're pretty quick with the hostility these days.


You're again not using any evidence to support your claim. A fallacy. You also misconstrue arguments and warp them around. Yet another fallacy.

You have no basis to stand on.

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Taboo-XX wrote...

CrutchCricket wrote...

A precedent of a few cases means nothing. Care to talk about the happily married with x amount of children spouse who wakes up one day and realizes they want to bat for the other team?

Or am I touching a sensitve spot? You're pretty quick with the hostility these days.


You're again not using any evidence to support your claim. A fallacy. You also misconstrue arguments and warp them around. Yet another fallacy.

You have no basis to stand on.

He also attacked you to conclude.

If you're going to list all his fallacies...

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If Miranda were intended to be bi, she would have been a romance option for a female Shepard. Every other bi character was explicitly so (Kelly, Samara, Liara, Kaiden). If you want to head canon otherwise, more power to you. But as far as evidence derived from the game is concerned, she is straight.

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Taboo-XX wrote...

CrutchCricket wrote...

A precedent of a few cases means nothing. Care to talk about the happily married with x amount of children spouse who wakes up one day and realizes they want to bat for the other team?

Or am I touching a sensitve spot? You're pretty quick with the hostility these days.


You're again not using any evidence to support your claim. A fallacy. You also misconstrue arguments and warp them around. Yet another fallacy.

You have no basis to stand on.


That doesn't just happen to people Crutch. Sorry.

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CrutchCricket wrote...

fiendishchicken wrote...

Just as I had someone who seriously thought I was gay once. He told me. 

**** did I go off on him. I'm pretty sure he ended up in the hospital...

Alcohol used to do that to me. It wasn't pretty.

Well your methods notwithstanding,  you did correct him.

Miranda can't correct anyone. She's fictional.


Damn straight I corrected him. Luckily for me, it was like 3 days before deployment, in a town I'd never been to before, and no one knew my name. I high-tailed it fast outta there.

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fiendishchicken wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

CrutchCricket wrote...

A precedent of a few cases means nothing. Care to talk about the happily married with x amount of children spouse who wakes up one day and realizes they want to bat for the other team?

Or am I touching a sensitve spot? You're pretty quick with the hostility these days.


You're again not using any evidence to support your claim. A fallacy. You also misconstrue arguments and warp them around. Yet another fallacy.

You have no basis to stand on.


That doesn't just happen to people Crutch. Sorry.




I can't believe I'm going to do this, but I slightly agree with Crutch.

Some people come out of the closet in later life.  It's rare, but it does happen.  Breaks up marriages.  Sucks.

However, this doesn't really connect to Miranda's character.

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CrutchCricket wrote...

A precedent of a few cases means nothing. Care to talk about the happily married with x amount of children spouse who wakes up one day and realizes they want to bat for the other team?

Or am I touching a sensitve spot? You're pretty quick with the hostility these days.


You are one to talk about with that very diplomatic reply. You are the one acting hostile, not Taboo.

Modifié par Babi_Siha, 01 octobre 2012 - 05:55 .


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Taboo-XX wrote...

You're again not using any evidence to support your claim. A fallacy. You also misconstrue arguments and warp them around. Yet another fallacy.

You have no basis to stand on.

I didn't make a claim. I questioned your evidence as absolute.

A few dating logs do not rule out the possibility of bisexuality.

But if you insist, two of the participants HighRollerLLCJ and NoGames411 are not confirmed as being male. Where is your evidence that they are?

That's right, you have none. Good old bias strikes again.

PS. You're supressing my opinions. Nothing wrong with the ruling class when you're on top, right?

Modifié par CrutchCricket, 01 octobre 2012 - 05:57 .


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CrutchCricket wrote...



A few dating logs do not rule out the possibility of bisexuality.

HOLY CRAP, THAT'S LITERALLY THE ARGUEMENT FROM SILENCE DEFINED.  YOU ARE OPENLY ADMITTING THAT YOU ARGUE VIA FALLACY.  YOUR POSTS ARE SO DUMB THAT MY BRAIN HAS FUSED AND MY CAPLOCKS KEY WON'T TURN OFF!

so thank you for that :)

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krukow wrote...

fiendishchicken wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

CrutchCricket wrote...

A precedent of a few cases means nothing. Care to talk about the happily married with x amount of children spouse who wakes up one day and realizes they want to bat for the other team?

Or am I touching a sensitve spot? You're pretty quick with the hostility these days.


You're again not using any evidence to support your claim. A fallacy. You also misconstrue arguments and warp them around. Yet another fallacy.

You have no basis to stand on.


That doesn't just happen to people Crutch. Sorry.




I can't believe I'm going to do this, but I slightly agree with Crutch.

Some people come out of the closet in later life.  It's rare, but it does happen.  Breaks up marriages.  Sucks.

However, this doesn't really connect to Miranda's character.


Yes I know that. But people don't just go to bed straight one night and wake up gay the next.

If that was how someone really was, they'd have more problems in their head to worry about.

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Babi_Siha wrote...
You are one to talk about with that very diplomatic reply. You are the one acting hostile, not Taboo.

Oh that's right, I'm "picking fights" and "being offensive".

First post of the day, merely reminding people not to be so militant and this is what I get. And I'm the hostile one.

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CrutchCricket wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

You're again not using any evidence to support your claim. A fallacy. You also misconstrue arguments and warp them around. Yet another fallacy.

You have no basis to stand on.

I didn't make a claim. I questioned your evidence as absolute.

A few dating logs do not rule out the possibility of bisexuality.

But if you insist, two of the participants HighRollerLLCJ
and NoGames411 are not confirmed as being male. Where is your evidence that they are?

That's right, you have none. Good old bias strikes again.

PS. You're supressing my opinions. Nothing wrong with the ruling class when you're on top, right?


You have, once again, presented fallacies to justify your opinion. Please present an actual argument.

I stated my opinion in the above posts. AU is fine. Not in canon.

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CrutchCricket wrote...

Babi_Siha wrote...
You are one to talk about with that very diplomatic reply. You are the one acting hostile, not Taboo.

Oh that's right, I'm "picking fights" and "being offensive".

First post of the day, merely reminding people not to be so militant and this is what I get. And I'm the hostile one.


Maybe if you didn't act so militant in your anti-militant response.

" I love peace so much, I'm willing to kill for it!"

Solid argument there.

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fiendishchicken wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

CrutchCricket wrote...

A precedent of a few cases means nothing. Care to talk about the happily married with x amount of children spouse who wakes up one day and realizes they want to bat for the other team?

Or am I touching a sensitve spot? You're pretty quick with the hostility these days.


You're again not using any evidence to support your claim. A fallacy. You also misconstrue arguments and warp them around. Yet another fallacy.

You have no basis to stand on.


That doesn't just happen to people Crutch. Sorry.

It actually does.
Miranda wouldn't be the first who starts to experiment with the other gender at the age of around 30. It happens that you meet someone from the other gender and develop romantic feelings you haven't discovered yet, or suddenly feel dissatisfied with one gender and find happiness in the other.

Rare, but possible.

Modifié par Mr Massakka, 01 octobre 2012 - 06:05 .


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krukow wrote...
HOLY CRAP, THAT'S LITERALLY THE ARGUEMENT FROM SILENCE DEFINED.  YOU ARE OPENLY ADMITTING THAT YOU ARGUE VIA FALLACY.  YOUR POSTS ARE SO DUMB THAT MY BRAIN HAS FUSED AND MY CAPLOCKS KEY WON'T TURN OFF!

so thank you for that :)

Caps lock is cruise control for cool.

Check your definitions sport. I'm not drawing a conclusion based on lack of evidence to the contrary. I'm arguing you have insufficient evidence to declare its opposite conclusion as absolute.

But you know, you could just keep insulting people. That always works real well.

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Miranda wouldn't be the first who starts to experiment with the other gender at the age of around 30. It happens that you meet someone from the other gender and develop romantic feelings you haven't discovered yet, or suddenly feel dissatisfied with one gender and find happiness in the other.


Go read texts about this. Or if you'd like I'll call in the Steve people.

Of note are several lesbian authors, which I would be happy to provide names for if you're so inclined.

Sexuality is a grounded topic. You are or you aren't. People don't switch, they have always been that way. Please feel free to read about "beards" and the like.

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Taboo-XX wrote...

You have, once again, presented fallacies to justify your opinion. Please present an actual argument.

I stated my opinion in the above posts. AU is fine. Not in canon.

Is "fallacy" your new catchphrase?

Or just a convenient way to ignore what you don't agree with?

(1) Miranda is heterosexual because all her past relationships are with men
(2) the last two users of the dating logs are not necessarily male
(3) Therefore (1) is not necessarily true

Is that clear enough for you?

Pro tip: The key words there is "necessarily". I'm not arguing that (1) is false. But I am arguing that you do not have sufficient grounds to dismiss its opposite.

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Maybe if you didn't act so militant in your anti-militant response.

" I love peace so much, I'm willing to kill for it!"

Solid argument there.

Most of the time, I make it a policy to reply with the same, up to a point.

Only fair. I'm not big on "turning the other cheek"

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Mr Massakka wrote...

fiendishchicken wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

CrutchCricket wrote...

A precedent of a few cases means nothing. Care to talk about the happily married with x amount of children spouse who wakes up one day and realizes they want to bat for the other team?

Or am I touching a sensitve spot? You're pretty quick with the hostility these days.


You're again not using any evidence to support your claim. A fallacy. You also misconstrue arguments and warp them around. Yet another fallacy.

You have no basis to stand on.


That doesn't just happen to people Crutch. Sorry.

It actually does.
Miranda wouldn't be the first who starts to experiment with the other gender at the age of around 30. It happens that you meet someone from the other gender and develop romantic feelings you haven't discovered yet, or suddenly feel dissatisfied with one gender and find happiness in the other.

Rare, but possible.


No it doesn't. As I said above, people don't just switch their sexuality overnight. Switching your sexuality itself is very rare. I'm not a believer in pan-sexuality either. 

I can tell you for me with 100% certainty that I am only attracted to females and that I will only ever be attracted to females. I have a zero percent chance of ever falling into any kind of romantic love with a man. I had that made up in my mind when I was about 8 or 9 and I first started noticing girls.

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CrutchCricket wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

You have, once again, presented fallacies to justify your opinion. Please present an actual argument.

I stated my opinion in the above posts. AU is fine. Not in canon.

Is "fallacy" your new catchphrase?

Or just a convenient way to ignore what you don't agree with?

(1) Miranda is heterosexual because all her past relationships are with men
(2) the last two users of the dating logs are not necessarily male
(3) Therefore (1) is not necessarily true

Is that clear enough for you?


YOU must show that she's bisexual. That's the fallacy. Since you can provide no evidence the point is moot. All indication points to her being heterosexual. All her past relationships have been with men, Jacob included. You cannot use an unknown to justify your opinion. 

Please provide a legitimate criticism. Everyone here is waiting for it.

Modifié par Taboo-XX, 01 octobre 2012 - 06:12 .