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[Skullheart]

Mmm... I would like to join the skype sessions,but I don't speak english, and if I tried it will be with an awkward accent.


Top page again....


I also got the top for page 1k

Modifié par Skullheart, 02 octobre 2012 - 03:25 .

[jtav]

I don't take it personally against Jay. Bad writing happens. There was lazy, stereotypical writing throughout the Cerberus arc--a horror of those who strive to achieve and an idolization of the normal. Jacob provides another example. ME2 portrays a man on the cusp of either greatness or disaster, with the SM being his trial by fire. Come ME3, he's a blatant racial stereotype with distinctly modest ambitions.

[Lawrence0294]

fiendishchicken wrote...

kratos0294 wrote...

Could we speak of somehting else than Dexter.......it really makes me feel...... nervous and all.
*snip*

Didn't like this one because of the scars. I have the scars disappearing, but they slowly come back as the strain of the war starts to wear on Shepard and he becomes a more... unstable person due to the incredible stress.

Yeah everyone feels queasy about this stuff. 

The only reason i don't like the scars are because of the red eyes. Without them, It gives a very, tired and bruised look on Shepard which i think feets for him in ME3, afetr all the sh*it he's been through and being kept away from Miranda. 

Things pretty much sucked for him in ME3. He'll need some rest post war, and he'll get it with Miranda.

[Taboo]

jtav wrote...

I don't take it personally against Jay. Bad writing happens. There was lazy, stereotypical writing throughout the Cerberus arc--a horror of those who strive to achieve and an idolization of the normal. Jacob provides another example. ME2 portrays a man on the cusp of either greatness or disaster, with the SM being his trial by fire. Come ME3, he's a blatant racial stereotype with distinctly modest ambitions.

Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

Bad writing. Always. ALWAYS.

Super MAC wrote Cerberus.

[Steelcan]

Skullheart wrote...

Mmm... I would like to join the skype sessions,but I don't speak english, and if I tried it will be with an awkward accent.


Top page again....


I also got the top for page 1k

. Where are you from?

[Skullheart]

jtav wrote...

I don't take it personally against Jay. Bad writing happens. There was lazy, stereotypical writing throughout the Cerberus arc--a horror of those who strive to achieve and an idolization of the normal. Jacob provides another example. ME2 portrays a man on the cusp of either greatness or disaster, with the SM being his trial by fire. Come ME3, he's a blatant racial stereotype with distinctly modest ambitions.

I take it personally against super mac, jay and hudson. The first for planning the faith of the character, the second for the poor writing, and the third for giving the ok to all that.

They are trinity of evil from bioware.

@Steelcan

I'm from Chile, native spanish speaker.

Modifié par Skullheart, 02 octobre 2012 - 03:30 .

[Taboo]

We have two ladies from Brazil. More South Americans is a good thing.

The next person to say I sound like David Bowie gets punched in the nose though.

[hot_heart]

jtav wrote...
Jacob provides another example. ME2 portrays a man on the cusp of either greatness or disaster, with the SM being his trial by fire. Come ME3, he's a blatant racial stereotype with distinctly modest ambitions.

Jacob's a funny one because he seems to have become victim to Hudson's artistic endeavours.

If you look back at his Twitter page, there's a comment he makes about a heated debate with another game designer over which emotions are off the table for a player, or whether nothing should be excluded. The ones he mentioned as contentious were 'jealousy' and 'rejection'.

Guess whose romantic involvement may include both?

[Taboo]

Skullheart wrote...

jtav wrote...

I don't take it personally against Jay. Bad writing happens. There was lazy, stereotypical writing throughout the Cerberus arc--a horror of those who strive to achieve and an idolization of the normal. Jacob provides another example. ME2 portrays a man on the cusp of either greatness or disaster, with the SM being his trial by fire. Come ME3, he's a blatant racial stereotype with distinctly modest ambitions.

I take it personally against super mac, jay and hudson. The first for planning the faith of the character, the second for the poor writing, and the third for giving the ok to all that.

They are trinity of evil from bioware.

It was quite evident to some of us that the character arc was to have her temper out a bit. A incredibly common Sci-Fi trope.

Don't aestheticize that which is not marketable.

[krukow]

Taboo-XX wrote...

We have two ladies from Brazil. More South Americans is a good thing.

The next person to say I sound like David Bowie gets punched in the nose though.

You sound like David Bowie.

[jtav]

It went well beyond tempering into turning her into a stereotype who has no motivation outside the personal. Tempering would be, for example, having her volunteer to escort refugees back while you complete the objective, showing she's less quick to view people as expendable. Have her own her past with Cerberus and express some horror at what they've become. Have a contribution to the war effort that didn't depend on chance. ME3 Miranda is a moral monster in a way she wasn't before.

[Steelcan]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Skullheart wrote...

jtav wrote...

I don't take it personally against Jay. Bad writing happens. There was lazy, stereotypical writing throughout the Cerberus arc--a horror of those who strive to achieve and an idolization of the normal. Jacob provides another example. ME2 portrays a man on the cusp of either greatness or disaster, with the SM being his trial by fire. Come ME3, he's a blatant racial stereotype with distinctly modest ambitions.

I take it personally against super mac, jay and hudson. The first for planning the faith of the character, the second for the poor writing, and the third for giving the ok to all that.

They are trinity of evil from bioware.

It was quite evident to some of us that the character arc was to have her temper out a bit. A incredibly common Sci-Fi trope.

Don't aestheticize that which is not marketable.

[Taboo]

jtav wrote...

It went well beyond tempering into turning her into a stereotype who has no motivation outside the personal. Tempering would be, for example, having her volunteer to escort refugees back while you complete the objective, showing she's less quick to view people as expendable. Have her own her past with Cerberus and express some horror at what they've become. Have a contribution to the war effort that didn't depend on chance. ME3 Miranda is a moral monster in a way she wasn't before.

That's exceedingly hyperbolic. I'm confused by your reasoning here.

Do you honestly believe that all of that is now gone, that she's a sappy romance now? She has all the traits that she exhibited in ME2 she just isn't talking about them.

You make it sound like she was supposed to be some sort of Ayn Ran inspired wet dream in ME2. She isn't perfect and that was stated rather bluntly in ME2.

They merely made liberal aspects of the character more apparent. That's what offends you. She thinks independantly now, free to have a family and lead an organization of her choosing.

Humanization does not mean adding fundamentalist aspects. It means exactly what it sounds like. Making a person a human being. She is a one sided character until you realize that she has wants and desires to. Fitting in is one of them.

She wants what's best for humanity and she wants Shepard by her side at the end of the day. And as an equal.

This has been coming for a long, long time. The portryal in ME3 is very one sided but it's the same character I and many others here have seen. Our eight our Skype chats are evident that there's a lot to talk about.

I'd move on if you can't accept this because it's never going to change. The woman who thinks independently is here to stay.

Don't. Aestheticize. Unmarketable. Aspects.

Modifié par Taboo-XX, 02 octobre 2012 - 04:30 .

[CrutchCricket]

Taboo-XX wrote...
They merely made liberal aspects of the character more apparent. That's what offends you. She thinks independantly now, free to have a family and lead an organization of her choosing.

Humanization does not mean adding fundamentalist aspects. It means exactly what it sounds like. Making a person a human being. She is a one sided character until you realize that she has wants and desires to. Fitting in is one of them.

She wants what's best for humanity and she wants Shepard by her side at the end of the day. And as an equal.

This has been coming for a long, long time. The portryal in ME3 is very one sided but it's the same character I and many others here have seen. Our eight our Skype chats are evident that there's a lot to talk about.

I'd move on if you can't accept this because it's never going to change. The woman who thinks independently is here to stay.

I'm not sure what you mean by "thinking independently". She was certainly thinking independently before. She wasn't brainwashed into joining Cerberus or believing in their cause, she did that of her own volition. Just as she did quitting when things got too atrocious. And we should've had some commentary from her about that, at least. Surely, waking up to find you've been part of of the Space SS would elicit some kind of reaction.

Don't let jtav's doom and gloom about writer intent cloud the issue. The problem with Miranda's appearance in ME3 is that there is no further evidence or reaffirmation of the underlined. We only have evidence for those if we go back to ME2. They should've been revisited in ME3. It's one-sided, as you say.

Don't. Aestheticize. Unmarketable. Aspects.

You keep saying this. What do you mean?

[krukow]

CrutchCricket wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...
Don't. Aestheticize. Unmarketable. Aspects.

You keep saying this. What do you mean?

That's taboo's gimmick.  Mark Calaway dresses like a dead dude and has "won" twenty "matches" in a row at Wrestlemania, Taboo says vague things to get attention.

And I troll the mirimancers 

[Steelcan]

krukow wrote...

CrutchCricket wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...
Don't. Aestheticize. Unmarketable. Aspects.

You keep saying this. What do you mean?

That's taboo's gimmick.  Mark Calaway dresses like a dead dude and has "won" twenty "matches" in a row at Wrestlemania, Taboo says vague things to get attention.

And I troll the mirimancers 

. We all know you are a mirimancer at heart;)

[Berg]

Taboo-XX wrote...



That's exceedingly hyperbolic. I'm confused by your reasoning here.

Do you honestly believe that all of that is now gone, that she's a sappy romance now? She has all the traits that she exhibited in ME2 she just isn't talking about them.

Or acting on them. Come on, do you really mean that you don't think she deserved to have a bigger role in the Cerberus story? (Outside of that necessary to save Orianna?)

But I agree with you in that I don't think it was personal in any way. I just think she got sidelined and forgotten about, not a deliberate attack. It happened to lots of people to a greater or lesser extent.

[krukow]

oh brother wrote...

Or acting on them. Come on, do you really mean that you don't think she deserved to have a bigger role in the Cerberus story? (Outside of that necessary to save Orianna?)

Everyone thinks that.  Hell, she should have had a larger part in the game just in general.

Taboo's point (I think) is that just because something isn't shown, doesn't mean it's gone.  She's still doing a lot of the Miranda stuff we all know and love her for, it's just offscreen

[jtav]

And if it's offscreen, it's not important. I can put it back in but Miranda as presented is a pretty pathetic and horrible person who is seemingly indifferent to the fact that Cerberus has turned into a combination of the Sith and SS, She wouldn't have done anything of significance for the war if Leng hadn't chanced to show up. If not for a text file--and text files never carry the weight of actual scenes--you could be forgiven for thinking she spends the rest of the war on the sidelines with Ori.

[Han Shot First]

Anyone else prefer Miranda's black catsuit to the white?

Considering most fan art is of the latter, I feel like I'm in a minority.

[krukow]

I actually really like the white catsuit. It looks good on her, and black's a bit too... common?

Everyone wears black catsuits. White is unique...

[David7204]

When I get the time machine working, I'm not putting Miranda in the Cerberus arc just so she can take it over or express regret over working with them or whatever. First of all, because it feels like a lower-quality rehash of Lair of the Shadow Broker. Secondly, I don't think it's true. I don't think Miranda ever felt regret for working with Cerberus. She worked with them when she agreed with them and quit when she didn't.

When she expressed regret over wanting to implant Shepard, it was the Illusive Man who ordered her not to. So Cerberus was basically right and she was wrong.

Modifié par David7204, 02 octobre 2012 - 06:07 .

[jtav]

If she doesn't feel regret or remorse, then she's a sociopath whose death is no great tragedy. Something like Jacob's "was I blind?" is sufficient.

[Steelcan]

Modifié par Steelcan, 02 octobre 2012 - 06:17 .

[Steelcan]

krukow wrote...

I actually really like the white catsuit. It looks good on her, and black's a bit too... common?

Everyone wears black catsuits. White is unique...

. But the black is so much more awesome;)