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[BassStyles]

kratos0294 wrote...

fiendishchicken wrote...

Didn't like this one because of the scars. I have the scars disappearing, but they slowly come back as the strain of the war starts to wear on Shepard and he becomes a more... unstable person due to the incredible stress.

Yeah everyone feels queasy about this stuff. 

The only reason i don't like the scars are because of the red eyes. Without them, It gives a very, tired and bruised look on Shepard which i think feets for him in ME3, afetr all the sh*it he's been through and being kept away from Miranda. 

Things pretty much sucked for him in ME3. He'll need some rest post war, and he'll get it with Miranda.

Haha it's funny that you create this idea for Shepard, because I just finished my second ME play through and had Shepard go pretty much pure Renegade after playing up to that point as a Para right before the Genophage. I shot Mordin, shot Wrex, killed Tali, Legion went kaput, got Garrus and Liara (my LI) killed by the beam, and chose Destroy (Bye EDI) all because the wear of war finally got to me.

Even though this is made up in my mind and not actually shown in game, I thought that would be something nifty Bioware could have made apparent. After some of your choices if your squad questions, "Shepard, are you alright? Shooting Wrex like that isn't like you..." depending upon your Rep Meter. I felt cold though after doing it. My "canon" playthrough was NLB and had as few of sacrfices as could be made, and I get to live with Miri after the war, so this play through was quite the contrast to what I had previously experienced.

I mean, if you think about it, Shepard is always helping out everyone else... Well, shouldn't Shepard get a little help (not just sex from the LI's people) because if I was in his shoes, making these choices, seeing all this death (causing those deaths), having near death experiences, I'd might go a little mad (which I made him do in this play through)

[Taboo]

jtav wrote...

And if it's offscreen, it's not important. I can put it back in but Miranda as presented is a pretty pathetic and horrible person who is seemingly indifferent to the fact that Cerberus has turned into a combination of the Sith and SS, She wouldn't have done anything of significance for the war if Leng hadn't chanced to show up. If not for a text file--and text files never carry the weight of actual scenes--you could be forgiven for thinking she spends the rest of the war on the sidelines with Ori.

No.

Just because something is offscreen doesn't mean it's gone or missing. By your account Janet Leigh was ripped apart by nothing in Psycho. There are zero frames of knife penetration but you know damn good and well she's being stabbed.

The beauty of art lies in suggestion, not everything that is on screen. See: Mass Effect 3 ending controversy.

The problem is that she was sidelined just like everyone else. No one got out well here.

You ascribe to malice what is best explained by incompotence. The only conspiracy is the one inside your head. 

As for aesthetics, don't glamorize things that are not going to progress. You will never, ever see the zealot that you crave so much. It was never meant to carry on. Very predictable plot arc. VERY predictable. You see someone level out to the point that they reconsider their past actions, i.e control chip. Maybe, just maybe the point is that her logic ISN'T perfect and she now understands that.

I'm not pleased about the sidelining either but you don't fix what isn't broken, you add to it. That's alll she needs right now, is an inkling of that yearning for knowledge, that will to improve humanity.

But at the end of the day she wants to be right there sleeping next to Shepard in a bed. A human being, not a Kubrickian zombie.

[wright1978]

Skullheart wrote...

Oh yes,"jay w."

He didn't write Miranda, he just tried. And all we heard about him something like "sorry to screw the characters you like, I'll try to do better next time." That won't fix anything.

Damn bioware, delegating a complex character to a noob writer...

Well lack of decent supervision/peer review is just as bad if it was solely work by a noob writer.

[RamilVenoard]

wright1978 wrote...

Skullheart wrote...

Oh yes,"jay w."

He didn't write Miranda, he just tried. And all we heard about him something like "sorry to screw the characters you like, I'll try to do better next time." That won't fix anything.

Damn bioware, delegating a complex character to a noob writer...

Well lack of decent supervision/peer review is just as bad if it was solely work by a noob writer.

The problem is an experienced writer didnt check his work after. Or must not have if they didn't alter it. I have no problem letting him write the character, as long as his terrible ideas are then fixed.

[Taboo]

He wrote it with guidance from Weekes. Ask him about it.

WEEKES.

[krukow]

...why are you all complaining about the writing. The writing was fine. Excellent even. There's some great stuff in there.

Allocated content was the problem. As in Miranda didn't get any. Well, very much.

What's there is great, the problem is she should be one of the central squaddies, and instead she's the star cameo.

Modifié par krukow, 02 octobre 2012 - 06:53 .

[wright1978]

jtav wrote...

And if it's offscreen, it's not important. I can put it back in but Miranda as presented is a pretty pathetic and horrible person who is seemingly indifferent to the fact that Cerberus has turned into a combination of the Sith and SS, She wouldn't have done anything of significance for the war if Leng hadn't chanced to show up. If not for a text file--and text files never carry the weight of actual scenes--you could be forgiven for thinking she spends the rest of the war on the sidelines with Ori.

Yeah i have to view it that she has been recruiting personnel, obtaining resources & planning strikes using renegades throughout the game and she just is extremely secretive about it. That's why i cherish that one text file as it makes another interpretation than the above possible. That's why i want the renegades concept expanded on in Omega DLC via recruiting Petrovsky so we get actual scenes as well as the e-mail.

[Taboo]

No Jay wrote it with guidance from Weekes. Ask him about it. That's the story.

Look at the conversation on the Citadel and tell me that doesn't remind you of Weekes. Oh and so does EVERYTHING ELSE.

The missing part of the equation is the person who wrote her crit path in ME2.

Super MAC. There's your Kubrickian Zombie. The man who wrote Kai Leng, Cerberus, and the endings.

[Caihn]

I'm tired of reading Miranda bashing in every page of this thread.
Some people still like Miranda.

Modifié par Yannkee, 02 octobre 2012 - 06:57 .

[wright1978]

krukow wrote...

...why are you all complaining about the writing. The writing was fine. Excellent even. There's some great stuff in there.

Allocated content was the problem. As in Miranda didn't get any. Well, very much.

What's there is great, the problem is she should be one of the central squaddies, and instead she's the star cameo.

Nope the writing is weak outside of the romance stuff and full of padding. Easily room given she had the most lines of any ME2 character to actually have something more fitting and worthwhile.

[Taboo]

I still like Miranda, very much so. I'm still baffled by the reactions in this thread.

[krukow]

Taboo-XX wrote...

I still like Miranda, very much so. I'm still baffled by the reactions in this thread.

QFT

[MisterJB]

I like Miranda and I wish she had been in ME3.

[SGT NOOBSTER]

Well if you are on this thread you should like Miranda. Unless you are here to irritate people, and if that is the case at least make it entertaining for others who are reading through the stuff.

[wright1978]

I like Miranda, i just feel she was in large sections has poorly writen padded content in ME3 and doesn't have any proper content regarding what should have been her role in cerberus arc. Properly peer reviewed content wouldn't have had them scrabbling around at the last minute to try and add in cerberus renegades stuff

[Taboo]

MisterJB wrote...

I like Miranda and I wish she had been in ME3.

She was, didn't you see her? What game where you playing?

Glamorization of unpopular aesthetics leads to ->

Modifié par Taboo-XX, 02 octobre 2012 - 07:05 .

[krukow]

SGT NOOBSTER wrote...

Well if you are on this thread you should like Miranda. Unless you are here to irritate people, and if that is the case at least make it entertaining for others who are reading through the stuff.

I do my best!

[Caihn]

MisterJB wrote...

I like Miranda and I wish she had been in ME3.

The Miranda thread in the ME2 section of the forum is still open.
The fact that you deny the existence of the character in the game doesn't mean everyone should.

Modifié par Yannkee, 02 octobre 2012 - 07:08 .

[Taboo]

Yannkee wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

I like Miranda and I wish she had been in ME3.

The Miranda thread in the ME2 section of the forum is still open.

LOL

[Unschuld]

BringBackNihlus wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

He wrote it with guidance from Weekes. Ask him about it.

WEEKES.

Weekes the Magnificent oversaw him? 

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Patrick ZorahnarRayya Weekes cares not for your Aussie Michael Jackson.

Modifié par Unschuld, 02 octobre 2012 - 07:18 .

[Dr. Doctor]

hot_heart wrote...

jtav wrote...
Jacob provides another example. ME2 portrays a man on the cusp of either greatness or disaster, with the SM being his trial by fire. Come ME3, he's a blatant racial stereotype with distinctly modest ambitions.

Jacob's a funny one because he seems to have become victim to Hudson's artistic endeavours.

If you look back at his Twitter page, there's a comment he makes about a heated debate with another game designer over which emotions are off the table for a player, or whether nothing should be excluded. The ones he mentioned as contentious were 'jealousy' and 'rejection'.

Guess whose romantic involvement may include both?

Generally if you have to ask "I wonder why nobody's ever done X before?" there's usually a good reason why. Casey's a good producer but he can't write to save his life.

From a metagaming perspective Jacob is a pretty good test bed to see how the playerbase would react to an LI rejecting them. Jacob's the least romanced character in the game so trying it out on him will have as small an impact as possible. 

On the subject of Jay, he isn't a bad writer, he wrote the stories for the missions on Gellix and Grunt's mission (just the overarching plot of the mission, not the dialogue) and those were some of the more compelling side quests in the game. If you stuck him in a narrative writing position instead of putting him on character duty then he'd do alright.