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"I'll always want you in my life." Miranda Lawson in Mass Effect 3


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#81676
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*digs up three year old tin foil hat*

 

It's a conspiracy! The writers want her dead! Run for your lives! rabble rabble!

 

*throws hat away* Wasn't even mine...

 

In all seriousness did you:

a) Import with Miranda loyal?

B) give her the resources?

c) warn her about Leng?

d) do the interrupt on that snivelling weasel we're told is her father or shoot Oriana in the leg?

e) continue the romance if romanced?

 

If yes to all and you are still having trouble, yeah it's a weird bug and you should seek help immediately (i.e. Gibbed)


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*digs up three year old tin foil hat*

 

It's a conspiracy! The writers want her dead! Run for your lives! rabble rabble!

 

*throws hat away* Wasn't even mine...

 

In all seriousness did you:

a) Import with Miranda loyal?

B) give her the resources?

c) warn her about Leng?

d) do the interrupt on that snivelling weasel we're told is her father or shoot Oriana in the leg?

e) continue the romance if romanced?

 

If yes to all and you are still having trouble, yeah it's a weird bug and you should seek help immediately (i.e. Gibbed)

lol you know, I never bought the "Oh the writers want her dead" thingy. But now that I look back at all the bloody things you have to achieve to make her survive, it does feel rather ridiculous.

But in the end there might be hundreds of different reasons why the writers decided this, we can only speculate and will never know. Might be an interesting question to ask the writers if ever possible.



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Did you miss me?

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#81679
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On PC you can use Gibbed's ME3 save editor to check if you really did everything right. The guide posted has plotvariables you can check to make sure. http://forum.bioware...complete-guide/

 

http://svn.gib.me/bu...it-r90_b115.zip

 

If you simply want Miranda to be alive after Horizon

Set plotbool 20687 to TRUE

and plotbool 20278 to FALSE

 

Quick howto: Plot tab -> Manual -> Bool get/set

 

I'll get around to looking at my PC saves at some point in time. Pretty curious about it, but I won't be setting no plot variables.  If she died in the playthrough, she died. :)



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In all seriousness did you:

a) Import with Miranda loyal?

B) give her the resources?

c) warn her about Leng?

d) do the interrupt on that snivelling weasel we're told is her father or shoot Oriana in the leg?

e) continue the romance if romanced?

 

If yes to all and you are still having trouble, yeah it's a weird bug and you should seek help immediately (i.e. Gibbed)

 

a.) Yes.

b.) yes.

c.) yes.

d.) I don't think I did any of this. I went paragon route and Miranda said no deal.

e.) Femshep. No romance is possible.



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d.) I don't think I did any of this. I went paragon route and Miranda said no deal.

 

To clarify, upon the end of the dialogue you can either:

 

On the left:

 

-"I can be reasonable" (paragon)

 

-"Your legacy?" (investigate)

 

-"I will hunt you down" (renegade)

 

On the right:

 

-"I just want Oriana" 

 

Did you chose the paragon option mentioned here ?


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Did you miss me?

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I can't say I like this. Short hair Miranda (this particular cut, at least) just looks strange ad awkward. It doesn't fit her face at all.


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#81683
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It also looks unnatural: it doesn't fold the way hair is supposed to fold and not a single hair goes a different way, like they're all glued together...



#81684
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Bah. Short sighted fools. Open your minds a little. It's perfect on her :wub: :P



#81685
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To clarify, upon the end of the dialogue you can either:

 

On the left:

 

-"I can be reasonable" (paragon)

 

-"Your legacy?" (investigate)

 

-"I will hunt you down" (renegade)

 

On the right:

 

-"I just want Oriana" 

 

Did you chose the paragon option mentioned here ?

 

Yes. Paragon choice.



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The "I will hunt you down" option is probably my favorite renegade dialogue in the game, if not the trilogy. It's especially good for me because I RP a more paragade Shepard who tries to be diplomatic when possible. Only here, Miranda and Oriana are involved, so Henry Lawson made it personal when he went after somebody close to Miranda (and put Miranda in danger in the process). There's no diplomacy, there's no talking it out. If he lays a finger on either of them, he will get crushed into a puddle of bloody pulp and fed to the husks.



#81687
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So I took a peek at my save and the save editor:

 

 

 

1. First meeting in the Citadel with positive outcome (ask her about her situation and promise to help).

20182 True
20183 True
20741 True
22698 True  

2. Second meeting via Specters terminal - we do not have the data yet, so if you do, please share.
3. Third meeting in person on the Citadel - give her the resources she asks

21872 True 
21873 False 

4. Miranda BreakUp: finally, thanks to Jereee, we have PlotIDs for breaking up with her in ME3.
If you did break up and you have changed your mind and want to keep Miranda alive, set

21751 False

 

My Plot Flags:

 

20182 True
20183 True
20741 True
22698 True
 
21872 True
21873 False
 
21751 False
 
In addition:

 

 

2. Second meeting via Specters terminal - we do not have the data yet, so if you do, please share.
set to True. When I did the comparison I found the following changes from False to True.
20184
21085
22700

And also Int: 
10491: 3 -> 1 (this number is 2 in my save before the tower).

 

And my plot flag:

20184 True
21085 True
22700 True
 
I didn't find the Int value. Not sure where that's in the Gibbed.


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The "I will hunt you down" option is probably my favorite renegade dialogue in the game, if not the trilogy. It's especially good for me because I RP a more paragade Shepard who tries to be diplomatic when possible. Only here, Miranda and Oriana are involved, so Henry Lawson made it personal when he went after somebody close to Miranda (and put Miranda in danger in the process). There's no diplomacy, there's no talking it out. If he lays a finger on either of them, he will get crushed into a puddle of bloody pulp and fed to the husks.

lol, I pretty much RP the same thing. Shepard will always seek peace, but anything concerning Miranda and her loved ones, he shows zero tolerance, zero mercy.

 

@niniendowarrior: Rofl, if that's the case, then I guess your game was corrupted by Jack =p



#81689
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And 

 

Rofl, if that's the case, then I guess your game was corrupted by Jack =p

LOL. Like I said, I thought I did everything right but my PC copy seems to have been infected by my Wii U bug. LOL. :D

 

After seeing her die so many times, I do want to see her live at least one other time. haha.



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LOL. Like I said, I thought I did everything right but my PC copy seems to have been infected by my Wii U bug. LOL. 

 

That's what you get for owning a Wii U.


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#81691
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If you simply want Miranda to be alive after Horizon

Set plotbool 20687 to TRUE

and plotbool 20278 to FALSE

 

Quick howto: Plot tab -> Manual -> Bool get/set

 

Strangely enough. I checked my plot flags.

 

20687 True
20278 False
 
My game is possessed by Reapers! lol. :D


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Ok, seriously, it's great to see people are still here.


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#81693
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After reading much, I'm thinking the integer variable must be the missing link.

variable: 10491

 

I don't know where this is on the gibbed save editor.  Any help?

 

Found the flag (Row 462 in the Int table) but I don't know which saves coincide to which part of the game.  I did find saves before Admiral Koris was saved.

Value was 5.

 

Somewhere after, the Value was 4.

 

I had taken some save near the end game.  Value was 1.

 

I suppose this is the main culprit.



#81694
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Ok, seriously, it's great to see people are still here.

I know right ?

 

Some things just can't die:

 

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#81695
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I know right ?

 

Some things just can't die:

 

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But she does.  She died 6 times for me! LOL!!! :D



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#81697
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Just a little sketch I did a while ago.

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#81698
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Ah, many things to reply to. Like old times. :D

 

lol you know, I never bought the "Oh the writers want her dead" thingy. But now that I look back at all the bloody things you have to achieve to make her survive, it does feel rather ridiculous.
But in the end there might be hundreds of different reasons why the writers decided this, we can only speculate and will never know. Might be an interesting question to ask the writers if ever possible.

I suppose we can say it's likely the writers were going to kill her and realized their mistake too late. The resulting mess is... well problematic for a lot of reasons.
 

Did you miss me?
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Hmm, I like the cut as a concept but this shot does look a little strange. I think the face textures clash with the hair. Maybe in different lighting. Miranda and lighting seem to have frequent disagreements. :lol:  Besides, loyalty outfit=instant win as far as I'm concerned.
 

The "I will hunt you down" option is probably my favorite renegade dialogue in the game, if not the trilogy. It's especially good for me because I RP a more paragade Shepard who tries to be diplomatic when possible. Only here, Miranda and Oriana are involved, so Henry Lawson made it personal when he went after somebody close to Miranda (and put Miranda in danger in the process). There's no diplomacy, there's no talking it out. If he lays a finger on either of them, he will get crushed into a puddle of bloody pulp and fed to the husks.

Meh, that's just Tuesday for my Shep. Threaten him or anyone he's deemed his (even crew) and he will end you. Painfully. Efficiently, but without mercy.
 


 
Ok, seriously, it's great to see people are still here.

Many memories eh JB? Not all of them pleasant. But good times overall. If anyone else is still kicking around, let'em know. This place lives.
 

I know right ?
 
Some things just can't die:

Pfft. Miranda conquered death. Should we do any different?



#81699
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That's it, replaying the trilogy. I miss Miri.

 

Man I remember when ME3 hadn't come out yet. People kept spamming, hoping the devs would read their posts, believe that was what the fans wanted and wrote her like accordingly. Ah, the naivety of youth.

Leadarrow-10x10.png to some decent debates, though.



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That's it, replaying the trilogy. I miss Miri.

 

Man I remember when ME3 hadn't come out yet. People kept spamming, hoping the devs would read their posts, believe that was what the fans wanted and wrote her like accordingly. Ah, the naivety of youth.

Leadarrow-10x10.png to some decent debates, though.

I do too, though I'm waiting to replay the Trilogy. 

 

First I want to see what they have in mind for the next Mass Effect and also they might (probably) release a definitive edition of the trilogy.

 

It's funny because as bitter as I am with Mass Effect 3, it did teach me a great lesson regarding expectations and was a great reality slap in the face. It really taught me to read between the line of the developers.

 

Also you raise an interesting question: should writers ever follow the desires of the community on how should the character behave or should they stick to their own vision ? And how can they know what does the community want since people have very different perspectives on the same character (rofl, remember our....."civil war".....oh Lord).