Looks like it's time to get off the topic of Liara now.
How do you do that? You can't even talk about Mass Effect without her.
No, wait.. I'll spare you. 
"I'll always want you in my life." Miranda Lawson in Mass Effect 3
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#81851
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Posté 17 avril 2015 - 12:24
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#81852
Posté 17 avril 2015 - 01:19
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This is the Miranda thread dude. It's about Miranda.
Let's leave Liara out of it.
#81853
Posté 17 avril 2015 - 02:54
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lol.. that's hilarious. So much for Ruthless Shep
I don't like Udina, but he had a great line. "Fatalism. Not what men and women should aspire to." But it's what Liara aspires to. For being one of the best (gameplay wise) combat characters, she doesn't have fighting spirit.
I have killed men in cold blood. I threw a merc out the window just because he was a dick. I sacrificed the Council. I killed 300,000 batarians without blinking....
I also play with my space hamster (no phrasing), pet a varren, hugged a quarian, helped a grizzled merc almost as ruthless as I am win a plushie toy... and I have been known to cuddle...
As for Liara I argue she shouldn't have a fighting spirit, given what she in ME1. I also think she shouldn't be the damn Shadow Broker either. But since that ship has sailed I think she handles herself well enough. I don't think the time capsule's necessarily fatalistic. I think it's smart. Planning for the worst case. In fact I'm surprised no one has an ark project going anywhere.
#81854
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Posté 17 avril 2015 - 07:05
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This is the Miranda thread dude. It's about Miranda.
Let's leave Liara out of it.
Yeah, I understand.. You just don't like "heroism" 
What the hell happened to that David guy anyways? This forum is so much better without him.
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Posté 17 avril 2015 - 07:10
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You know, going back to that image I just posted, that was my very first playthrough in ME2 and the very first ME screenshot I ever took. I took it because that was the moment when I felt I won. In ME1 the heroic last shot of Shepard with a planet backdrop also felt like a victory, but a different, more cliched kind of victory. This felt like a complete "and life is good now" victory.
By comparison there is no point in ME3 where I feel I won.
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Posté 17 avril 2015 - 07:20
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Sorry to hear that. I still feel positive about ME3 in many ways.
Bringing Miranda to the Cerberus base (and later priority Earth) at the very least could've been cool. You probably could've have had a "romance" scene like that too on the Normandy. Maybe that could've been cathartic enough. I would've liked Jack with me to meet TIM. It's funny that those two characters, who are so intertwined with Cerberus, can only be mentioned in that mission if they're dead (or in Jack's case, indoctrinated). 
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Posté 17 avril 2015 - 07:25
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Too bad that Miranda, and Jack as well, couldn't be on the Normandy to hold Shepard's nameplate.
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Posté 17 avril 2015 - 07:26
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It was upsetting that Miranda, and Jack as well, couldn't be on the Normandy to hold Shepard's nameplate.
Then again, they're the only two on Earth with the best chance to rescue him...and they know he's alive in Destroy. I don't know where the Normandy ends up...it could take awhile.
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Posté 17 avril 2015 - 07:31
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Then again, they're the only two on Earth with the best chance to rescue him...and they know he's alive in Destroy. I don't know where the Normandy ends up...it could take awhile.
True, though I never understood what the purpose of the planet the Normandy ends up on means.
When I romanced Miranda, I was upset that she couldn't hold the nameplate. It didn't feel right having someone else holding the nameplate instead of her
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Posté 17 avril 2015 - 07:34
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True, though I never understood what the purpose of the planet the Normandy ends up on means.
When I romanced Miranda, I was upset that she couldn't hold the nameplate. It didn't feel right having someone else holding the nameplate instead of her
I don't mind myself...but I'm not sure how it selects it. I've gotten Traynor, Garrus, Ash..
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Posté 17 avril 2015 - 07:42
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I don't mind myself...but I'm not sure how it selects it. I've gotten Traynor, Garrus, Ash..
That one time I romanced Miranda, Samantha held the nameplate. She's my main LI, but would've preferred having Miranda hold the nameplate.
Who the character is that holds the nameplate is based on who you talk with the most during the game.
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Posté 17 avril 2015 - 07:46
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That one time I romanced Miranda, Samantha held the nameplate. She's my main LI, but would've preferred having Miranda hold the nameplate.
Who the character is that holds the nameplate is based on who you talk with the most during the game.
Ah....no wonder why it's never Liara for me.
Wait, I promised I wouldn't mention her.
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#81863
Posté 17 avril 2015 - 09:31
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Too bad that Miranda, and Jack as well, couldn't be on the Normandy to hold Shepard's nameplate.
One of the newer version of MEHEM has non-crew romances present during the nameplate scene.
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Posté 17 avril 2015 - 09:44
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True, though I never understood what the purpose of the planet the Normandy ends up on means.
When I romanced Miranda, I was upset that she couldn't hold the nameplate. It didn't feel right having someone else holding the nameplate instead of her
Silly Eden symbolism, which they ran from in face of ending wrath.
I personally couldn't get past my despisal of the presence of the memorial scene on that stupid planet in the shep lives scenario. Miranda somehow teleporting onto that planet wouldn't have made it better. miranda being with shep at a later earth based memorial would have worked, something I'm eternally grateful to mehem to have made somewhat of a reality.
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Posté 17 avril 2015 - 09:45
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I don't know.. I like the idea of those two saving Shepard's ass directly, and not to be on the Normandy. Would be even funnier if they helped each other (if both alive). It would've been nice though if they came on the Normandy with Hackett, before Priority Earth, or before the Cerberus base.
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Posté 17 avril 2015 - 09:57
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Yeah, I understand.. You just don't like "heroism"
What the hell happened to that David guy anyways? This forum is so much better without him.
I'd rather we leave external baggage from the thread. This is our sanctuary. I'd like it to remain so.
To answer your question, he's back. BabyPuncher. And no, the forums isn't good with him gone. We need whacko's to make the place interesting.
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Posté 17 avril 2015 - 10:02
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True, though I never understood what the purpose of the planet the Normandy ends up on means.
When I romanced Miranda, I was upset that she couldn't hold the nameplate. It didn't feel right having someone else holding the nameplate instead of her
The purpose is symbolism to a new beginning, in a universal and/or biblical tone.
The planet was, in my interpretation, built for Synthesis, where we have a simultaneous jump in evolution where organics and synthetics become one, while resetting everything in a neo-luddite technological dark-age for life to start 'anew'.
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Posté 17 avril 2015 - 10:03
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No, I just don't appreciate people bringing baggage from another part of the forums into, to be frank, our (the Miranda fans) sanctuary. There's a place for it.
To answer your question, he's back. BabyPuncher. And no, the forums isn't good with him gone. We need whacko's to make the place interesting.
I don't know what you mean by baggage exactly. I mention it because I care that people get a consistent experience. Even without being the biggest Miranda fan myself. Take that for what it's worth. If you see this place as a sanctuary though, so be it. I try to make light of it, and laugh at it a bit. Else I'd be too pissed off to appreciate the game at all. We're all forced to reckon with Liara. You can run, but you can't hide.
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Posté 17 avril 2015 - 10:18
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You know, going back to that image I just posted, that was my very first playthrough in ME2 and the very first ME screenshot I ever took. I took it because that was the moment when I felt I won. In ME1 the heroic last shot of Shepard with a planet backdrop also felt like a victory, but a different, more cliched kind of victory. This felt like a complete "and life is good now" victory.
By comparison there is no point in ME3 where I feel I won.
To be fair, I don't think a game necessarily needs to make the player feel a sense of victory in the end. ME2 had as one of it's themes, possible victory against all odds, however that doesn't mean ME3 should follow the same model. Let's consider for a second that ME3 was very well written across the board, a tragic end very easily could've worked for me (although I always prefer happy/bitter sweet endings personally).
Anything can work and can be written if it's done well.
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Posté 17 avril 2015 - 10:22
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To me, Destroy ends much the same way the others did. With you crawling out of rubble after killing an AI on a space station. And with you posed with a choice to sell out humanity for the sake of some "greater good". It's keeping in that tradition, even if it's more understated.
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Posté 17 avril 2015 - 11:14
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To be fair, I don't think a game necessarily needs to make the player feel a sense of victory in the end. ME2 had as one of it's themes, possible victory against all odds, however that doesn't mean ME3 should follow the same model. Let's consider for a second that ME3 was very well written across the board, a tragic end very easily could've worked for me (although I always prefer happy/bitter sweet endings personally).
Anything can work and can be written if it's done well.
Sure, provided that was the intent, it was carried out competently and it fit with existing elements.
Instead we get what feels like a huge failure being shoved down our throats as a win.
I would've welcomed a full on defeat, we lose, everybody dies, the cycle is completed ending over what we have. Maybe have it with a little bit of hope that some survived and were able to overcome in the next cycle. Which refuse technically does I guess. It's still terribly framed however.
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Posté 17 avril 2015 - 11:19
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Sure, provided that was the intent, it was carried out competently and it fit with existing elements.
Instead we get what feels like a huge failure being shoved down our throats as a win.
I would've welcomed a full on defeat, we lose, everybody dies, the cycle is completed ending over what we have. Maybe have it with a little bit of hope that some survived and were able to overcome in the next cycle. Which refuse technically does I guess. It's still terribly framed however.
I picked refuse recently, just to see it. It was silly. Totally self-defeating, and really... a betrayal of all the trust anyone put in you before that.
Goddamn man... the game isn't that bad. I understand the hate, but at least beat the Reapers and get it over with. 
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Posté 17 avril 2015 - 11:25
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I never said I picked refuse. If the world they built means so little to them that they'll throw it all away to "art" then I'll take their Reapers for myself and become a god.
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Posté 17 avril 2015 - 11:28
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OK fair enough. I hate that solution, but at least it's a solution.
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Posté 18 avril 2015 - 03:17
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Ah....no wonder why it's never Liara for me.
Wait, I promised I wouldn't mention her.
Really?! Gahhhh, I always get Liara. While I like her, it pisses me off.... Since Miranda can't attend the moment because the crew somehow decide to do that without knowing if Shepard is really alive or not, I'd rather have Garrus hesitating to insert the plate, if only...
