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[enayasoul]

Hey, hope y'all are well.

 

In the interest of discussion, anyone else been playing The Witcher 3? I'm loving it, but my main point is that it's Yennefer's first full appearance and she is very Miranda-like. Yeah, I know she existed in the books long before Miranda, but she's a slightly different character to then.

 

First up, a picture:

 

She's powerful, smart and has a temper (she threw me through a portal that dropped me in a lake...)

 

She's also incredibly determined, and not afraid to upset people or compromise her morals if it serves a greater purpose. Not many people like her, not even ones who know her well, and many find her frosty.

 

She also has a surrogate daughter (an aforementioned greater purpose).

 

She is infertile (but then, all sorceresses are, she's just keen to reverse it).

 

Anyway, it's a fantastic game and she is a great character. Very well-written.

 

Yes, I've played Witcher 3 and beat it recently but reloaded a save recently to fix a few errors to get rid of a certain king. :-P  I wasn't sure who I was going to romance Triss or Yen.  The moment I met Yen... it was obvious!  She's a fascinating character and loved every minute of them together.  Yennefer never teleported my Geralt in the lake which is interesting. Not sure what I did differently.

[o Ventus]

Hey, hope y'all are well.

 

In the interest of discussion, anyone else been playing The Witcher 3? I'm loving it, but my main point is that it's Yennefer's first full appearance and she is very Miranda-like. Yeah, I know she existed in the books long before Miranda, but she's a slightly different character to then.

 

First up, a picture:

 

She's powerful, smart and has a temper (she threw me through a portal that dropped me in a lake...)

 

She's also incredibly determined, and not afraid to upset people or compromise her morals if it serves a greater purpose. Not many people like her, not even ones who know her well, and many find her frosty.

 

She also has a surrogate daughter (an aforementioned greater purpose).

 

She is infertile (but then, all sorceresses are, she's just keen to reverse it).

 

Anyway, it's a fantastic game and she is a great character. Very well-written.

 

I have TW3, but I haven't played it in a while (too much Smite, Dirty Bomb, and Heroes of the Storm for TW3). I just finished the story segment and most if not all the side quests in Velen, and I met Triss in Novigrad. It's a pretty good game, I agree. I downloaded the alternate appearance for Yennefer, but I don't know how to get it working. The game says to check the tutorials, but there's nothing in the tutorials that mentions the DLC or any character's appearances.

[God]

Posting unrelated Yvonne videos.

 

 

Just like old times.

 

As I said in the Game of Thrones thread...

 

"Must... not... let... hate... for... Dany Sue... ruin... love... for... Yvonne..."

 

It's an uphill battle unfortunately.

[enayasoul]

I have TW3, but I haven't played it in a while (too much Smite, Dirty Bomb, and Heroes of the Storm for TW3). I just finished the story segment and most if not all the side quests in Velen, and I met Triss in Novigrad. It's a pretty good game, I agree. I downloaded the alternate appearance for Yennefer, but I don't know how to get it working. The game says to check the tutorials, but there's nothing in the tutorials that mentions the DLC or any character's appearances.

If you have an account with GOG galaxy, under configure, you can enable and disable the add-ons. The alternate appearance is nice looking... mostly the stockings make her look rather sexy. I like her other outfit as well.

[hot_heart]

Yennefer never teleported my Geralt in the lake which is interesting. Not sure what I did differently.

 

I kind of, uh... had a thing with Triss that she was none too happy about. Then it got to the point...

 

"I lost my memory."

"Well, I've lost my patience!"

*BAM!*

I reappear in mid-air and plummet into a lake.

 

Then I had to swim and trudge all the way back. Had the option of apologising or saying, "Nice view". Guess which I chose.

[o Ventus]

If you have an account with GOG galaxy, under configure, you can enable and disable the add-ons. The alternate appearance is nice looking... mostly the stockings make her look rather sexy. I like her other outfit as well.

I have it on the Xbox One.

[Lawrence0294]

Hey, hope y'all are well.

 

In the interest of discussion, anyone else been playing The Witcher 3? I'm loving it, but my main point is that it's Yennefer's first full appearance and she is very Miranda-like. Yeah, I know she existed in the books long before Miranda, but she's a slightly different character to then.

 

First up, a picture:

 

She's powerful, smart and has a temper (she threw me through a portal that dropped me in a lake...)

 

She's also incredibly determined, and not afraid to upset people or compromise her morals if it serves a greater purpose. Not many people like her, not even ones who know her well, and many find her frosty.

 

She also has a surrogate daughter (an aforementioned greater purpose).

 

She is infertile (but then, all sorceresses are, she's just keen to reverse it).

 

Anyway, it's a fantastic game and she is a great character. Very well-written.

Hey Gregg, long time mate =)

 

Funny you mention Witcher 3 and Yennefer. I spent the past month playing Witcher 1 and 2 and reading the books in preparation for Witcher 3 and just started it yesterday. And from the get go when I saw Yennefer my mind went straight to Miranda =p. It was a really great surprise, especially after hearing so much about her in the books and Witcher 2.

 

Though I'm still at the very beginning of the story the game is shaping to be really amazing. Hopefully it'll be able to tople Witcher 2 which blew my mind.

 

By the way, that scene where Yennefer throws Geralt in a portal, was it from the discussion you have with her after speaking to the emperor in Vizima or is it afterwards ?

 

[hot_heart]

I have it on the Xbox One.

 

Going by experience on PS4, if you go into Options from the main menu, there should be a Downloadable Content bit. Select that and it has a toggle for the alternative outfits. They were on by default after I installed them.

 

 

Hey Gregg, long time mate =)

 

Though I'm still at the very beginning of the story the game is shaping to be really amazing. Hopefully it'll be able to tople Witcher 2 which blew my mind.

 

By the way, that scene where Yennefer throws Geralt in a portal, was it from the discussion you have with her after speaking to the emperor in Vizima or is it afterwards ?

 

 

Hey bud.

 

Initially, I was a little concerned about the open-world stuff compared to Witcher 2's tighter design, but it's sooooo good. Definitely one of the best games I've played in a very long time.

 

That portal bit is not after the first (or even second) time you meet Yen. It's soon after the end of Act 1, which involves a thing called "Uma." I don't imagine you're that far, but you'd know what that meant if you were. It also depends on where you are in relation to other questlines; for example, I'd committed to Triss at this point.

 

In retrospect, I think I prefer Yen for all the Miranda-like qualities, but Triss is also a wonderful character and a great person who has stuck by you throughout. Geralt gets the worst tough choices.

 

p.s. and trust me, you'll want to make a choice between them.

[Lawrence0294]

Going by experience on PS4, if you go into Options from the main menu, there should be a Downloadable Content bit. Select that and it has a toggle for the alternative outfits. They were on by default after I installed them.

 

 

 

Hey bud.

 

Initially, I was a little concerned about the open-world stuff compared to Witcher 2's tighter design, but it's sooooo good. Definitely one of the best games I've played in a very long time.

 

That portal bit is not after the first (or even second) time you meet Yen. It's soon after the end of Act 1, which involves a thing called "Uma." I don't imagine you're that far, but you'd know what that meant if you were. It also depends on where you are in relation to other questlines; for example, I'd committed to Triss at this point.

 

In retrospect, I think I prefer Yen for all the Miranda-like qualities, but Triss is also a wonderful character and a great person who has stuck by you throughout. Geralt gets the worst tough choices.

 

p.s. and trust me, you'll want to make a choice between them.

I'm glad to hear that as I have similar concerns. I loved how Witcher 2 had it's own hub in each chapter and now having 3 massive play grounds is rather strange.

Btw, is the game still seperated in chapters prologue and epilogue ?

 

And yea I'm still really early in game. Just started the quest with Keira.

[Han Shot First]

Hey, hope y'all are well.

 

In the interest of discussion, anyone else been playing The Witcher 3? I'm loving it, but my main point is that it's Yennefer's first full appearance and she is very Miranda-like. Yeah, I know she existed in the books long before Miranda, but she's a slightly different character to then.

 

First up, a picture:

 

She's powerful, smart and has a temper (she threw me through a portal that dropped me in a lake...)

 

She's also incredibly determined, and not afraid to upset people or compromise her morals if it serves a greater purpose. Not many people like her, not even ones who know her well, and many find her frosty.

 

She also has a surrogate daughter (an aforementioned greater purpose).

 

She is infertile (but then, all sorceresses are, she's just keen to reverse it).

 

Anyway, it's a fantastic game and she is a great character. Very well-written.

 

Just to add to that...

 

In the English language version she's also voiced by Belinda Cornish, who voiced Rana Thanoptis in Mass Effect. She's also married to Mark Meer.

[enayasoul]

Just to add to that...

 

In the English language version she's also voiced by Belinda Cornish, who voiced Rana Thanoptis in Mass Effect. She's also married to Mark Meer.

Actually, that is incorrect.  Denise Gough is the voice actor behind Yennefer.  There is a you tube video of her performance as proof.  This was discussed on the CD Projekt Yennefer topic on their offical forum.  A common misconception it seems. http://forums.cdproj...poilers)/page63

[o Ventus]

Actually, that is incorrect.  Denise Gough is the voice actor behind Yennefer.  There is a you tube video of her performance as proof.  This was discussed on the CD Projekt Yennefer topic on their offical forum.  A common misconception it seems. http://forums.cdproj...poilers)/page63

I can't understand why it would be common, people can just look at the credits for the game and see who the actress is.

[Han Shot First]

Actually, that is incorrect.  Denise Gough is the voice actor behind Yennefer.  There is a you tube video of her performance as proof.  This was discussed on the CD Projekt Yennefer topic on their offical forum.  A common misconception it seems. http://forums.cdproj...poilers)/page63

 

My mistake!

 

I can't understand why it would be common, people can just look at the credits for the game and see who the actress is.

 

IMDB originally listed it as Belinda Cornish. That's probably where the rumor started.

 

It looks like it has now been edited to read Denise Gough though.

[MisterJB]

 

List specific things you wished Miranda's content had included. And by "specific", I mean more than "I wanted her to do spy stuff" or "I wanted more content."

 

In ME2, I wanted a scene where Mordin or Garrus approaches us if Shepard is romancing her and asks us whether we think Miranda was tasked with seducing Shep by TIM. Your respondes would vary from "You're probably right" to "I have asked myself that question but I don't want to give her up." and "She wouldn't do that." Then, you could tell her about this . She would say that she appreciated you took your doubts to her, unlike Niket, and try to assuage your fears. You could believe her or break up the romance.

 

In ME3, I wanted Miranda to have present at the Normandy in the same capacity as Legion or Mordin. In Jack's mission, only with Miranda alive could the Grissom students be saved.

 

I wanted for her to have a discussion with her father where she would raise above the stigma of her genes. I haven't decided just how I would have written it but I know I would have had her use line such as "Yes, you gave me gifts. But I can be proud of what I've done with them." if  romanced.

[o Ventus]

I would have liked for Miranda to have an actual plot in ME3 and not a retread of her loyalty mission. I also would have liked for her to actually use her head and not make all the WRONG decisions in ME3.

 

Looking for her sister --> declines Shepard's offer to help, despite the Shadow Broker being aboard his ship.

On the run from Cerberus assassin --> doesn't bother to ask Shepard for refuge aboard a stealth ship.

[Mister J]

Yeah, a proper ME3 plot, and as I mentioned before: she should be the one joining Shepard in the assault on Kronos Station instead of EDI (with EDI as her 'Padok Wiks' of course).

[CrutchCricket]

In Jack's mission, only with Miranda alive could the Grissom students be saved.

 

How does this follow?

 

Otherwise, what I'd have wanted to see:

 

ME2-

• Conversation with Grunt about the similarities of their origins. Miranda could encourage Grunt to look for or make his own context for his imprints, Grunt could encourage her to take ownership of her abilities and get over attributing them to her father.
• Option to shoot Niket myself, or at the very least stop her without compromising both our guns.
• Comments/thoughts/reflections on Overlord and Shadow Broker.
• A story or two about other ops she's lead/participated in. While her content in ME2 is great, the so called professional side is mostly concerned with selling you on Cerberus or talking about her ideals. While the latter is great, I'd also like some facts demonstrating her capabilities. This comes from an argument I saw a while ago where Miranda's abilities (specifically as an operative) are great on paper but we don't see or hear of them much, gameplay notwithstanding. This could be in either game actually. ME3 probably needs it more.

 

ME3-

• Onscreen kiss!! Particularly during the first encounter. Make it an interrupt/dialog choice so people don't QQ about choice.
• Have her first encounter actually start with her being accosted by a Cerberus assasin. She still meets you at the docking bay but a plainclothes assassin attempts to get close and stab her. She CQCs him and snaps his neck (or uses a hidden injector to subdue him, if CQC is too Thane-ish). A turian CSec officer rushes over but Shepard pulls Spectre authority and says "his buddy" is drunk/tired/having a bad day etc and he'll handle it. He and Miranda 'help" him to a seat and leave him there, with authorities being called to clean up after she's gone. Conversation about being on the run from assassins is thus self-demonstrative.
• Can't remember if it's actually mentioned, but if romanced, have Miranda specifically say she was about to bust you out before the **** hit the fan. Have the option to say you would've tried to escape yourself if it went on much longer.
• Have Miranda offer you some assets for the intel she wants. If romanced you can say she doesn't have to. She replies it's to give you a bit more official justification as much as anything.
• More holocall opportunities on the ship. At certain points (perhaps after key missions involving Cerberus) Traynor reports a call from an "unknown signature" in the comm room. Shepard takes it and it's Miranda. He tells Traynor to allow calls with this protocol in the future and to alert him the moment they arrive. He doesn't tell her who they're from, possibly prompting her to try and find out. Miranda gives her thoughts on Cerberus action du jour and there's extra romance dialogue as well. She regrets she's not able to take more agency in helping him but she's still tracking her sister.
• We should see her in action at Sanctuary, kind of like we see Samara at the Monastery or Jack at Grissom, but near the end, before the Lawson confrontation. Either taking on Kai Leng or tearing through Reaper forces (the former may have to be on vid)
• Badass, Magnificent Bastard Henry Lawson!!! The villain we deserve. JB knows what I'm talking about.
• Miranda and Oriana aboard the Normady after Sanctuary. Chance to talk to both. You'd have to drop off or arrange for Oriana to get dropped off in a safe zone. Could have a bit of a conflict where Oriana wants to help, Miranda wants her safe, you could intervene and pick a side or suggest a non-combat, safe option for Oriana to contribute, pleasing both. Another romance opportunity in your cabin prior to Chronos.
• Miranda as NPC at Chronos. I like EDI's roles there, no reason we can't have both. She could do the whole scout ahead thing or get some alternate objective (perhaps the squadron of fighters we're told she commands later) but she has to be there when Lazarus is discussed (leading to an extended conversation about Shepard's identity) and when confronting TIM.
• Have the death condition be here instead of Sanctuary and perhaps with lessened requirements for survival. That way if she dies, she gets killed in front of you. Have it so she's stabbed/knocked down in front of you, prompting Shepard to do a no-holds barred beatdown on Leng. Then as he's helping Miranda up/telling her to hold on Leng does his last ditch sneak attack and Shepard finishes him off as normal. Then either a tearful death or proclamation of love/I've always got your back etc. Non-EDI squadmate then helps Miranda off/carries her off while Shepard and EDI get the info from Vendetta and go. If alive Miranda's injuries are bad enough that her going with you in the field further isn't the best option but she can fly with her squadron and back you up that way.
• Holocall goodbye on Earth doesn't sound like a breakup anymore.
• Citadel- Miranda knows about the clone but assumed it was destroyed once the real Shepard awoke. Maybe the clone was also on Lazarus station, hence the easier assumption it had perished. It was never supposed to be conscious but Brooks obviously hid her tracks for her own purposes.
• Omega- During a generic investigate option on one of the holocalls, if you completed Omega you could ask her about it and Petrovski. She says she knew there were plans to use/take over Omega after they got back from the SM but she didn't realize it would go that far. She then remarks she knew Petrovski as being  "of the old Cerberus, or at least the one that doesn't butcher their own men or turn them into monsters" and if left alive wonders if he may be useful for more than just information in the future.

[o Ventus]

She actually does say that she tried to see you, and was willing to break in to do it, but the Alliance would have shot her on sight.

[MisterJB]

 

How does this follow?

Do you mean how that would happen or what would happen afterwards?

Anyway, I like most of your suggestions.

 

 

Miranda should have been the one who warned you of the Cerberus Coup.

Afterwards, she would confess she had given Kai Leng and his troops acess to the Citadel. She would justify her actions as an attempt to make the Council see the reality of the war while trusting Shepard to be able to stop Leng and Udina before they assassinated the Councilors.

 

 

 

[CrutchCricket]

Do you mean how that would happen or what would happen afterwards?

Anyway, I like most of your suggestions.

 

 

Miranda should have been the one who warned you of the Cerberus Coup.

Afterwards, she would confess she had given Kai Leng and his troops acess to the Citadel. She would justify her actions as an attempt to make the Council see the reality of the war while trusting Shepard to be able to stop Leng and Udina before they assassinated the Councilors.

Why should Miranda have anything to do with the students surviving? Their survival is already predicated on Jack. That's a lot of conditions for otherwise unremarkable NPCs.

 

Otherwise I don't agree with Miranda letting Cerberus in. Not because I don't think she could or would make a decision like that. But rather because only an idiot would trust TIM at this point and only the mother of idiots would Kai Leng. And she has no means of controlling the extent of their spread, something which would conceivably be a dealbreaker for her even in less extreme circumstances. Finally, speaking of means, I'm not sure Miranda would be able to sneak them in anyway. Sneaking herself in is one thing, sneaking a legion in is another.

 

Personally I find the idea itself a little questionable in its predictions. You have no real way of ensuring the reaction is what you want- what if instead of starting to contribute to the war, the Council instead decides to hunt Cerberus down. It's something they have a chance to be successful in, unlike fighting the Reapers which is at best a holding action, and they are that stupid. Particularly the asari and salarian who aren't even feeling the brunt of the war on their populations. If you're indoctrinated, this is desirable, it's all the divide and conquer you want. However if you're genuinely resisting the Reapers, it's problematic.

 

A compromise would have Miranda discovering the breach early but delaying briefly before reporting it. The questions regarding means and end would remain but there'd at least be no implausibility in execution. If a bit of variable wizardry could also be managed you could have Shepard call her out on it but if you've already done Leviathan and kept Ann Bryson in thrall to narrow the location Miranda would counter with that.

[MisterJB]

 

 

• Citadel- Miranda knows about the clone but assumed it was destroyed once the real Shepard awoke. Maybe the clone was also on Lazarus station, hence the easier assumption it had perished. It was never supposed to be conscious but Brooks obviously hid her tracks for her own purposes.

 

 

According to "Foundation", Miranda actually fought Brooks for the clone but she managed to escape with him. Obviously, this was all written after the fact with little care for what Miranda says in the Citadel DLC. For instance, in the DLC she claims she had heard rumors of Brooks as "Hope Lillum". However, in the comics, she knew her personally as Rasa.

 

 

Which is why, has Walters bothered to try and write a cohesive timeline, the DLC would have been vastly different had Miranda been involved.

As in "Miranda solves everything within a couple of minutes of having shown up."

The next hour is nothing but companions remarking on how awesome Miranda is.

 

[CrutchCricket]

According to "Foundation", Miranda actually fought Brooks for the clone but she managed to escape with him. Obviously, this was all written after the fact with little care for what Miranda says in the Citadel DLC. For instance, in the DLC she claims she had heard rumors of Brooks as "Hope Lillum". However, in the comics, she knew her personally as Rasa.

OK wtf? Seriously? They're that stupid?
 
I remember we were discussing this before that issue came out. It could've still worked if the clone was sneaked away without Miranda's knowledge. But nope, full on firefight.
 
**** Walters. A spastic two-year-old takes better care of his **** than he does.
 

Which is why, has Walters bothered to try and write a cohesive timeline, the DLC would have been vastly different had Miranda been involved.
As in "Miranda solves everything within a couple of minutes of having shown up."
The next hour is nothing but companions remarking on how awesome Miranda is.

10/10 would buy.

Goddamn it you wouldn't even need to go that far though. Since Miranda only comes in after you've dealt with the clone, there was no reason to make her go "durr, what clone?" After the clone was dead she could've easily given you the rundown on what it was made for and the last she heard of it. She could be excused for writing it off if Brooks/Rasa/whatever didn't have the medical knowledge/skill to awaken it. Or did they Mary Sue her in the comics?

 

What a ****** mess.

[MisterJB]

 

Foundation issue 7 extablishes Miranda as the one who grew the clone.

 

Never mind the retcon, the idea of Miranda Lawson, with her backstory, actually growing a clone and then using him as spare parts to be discard is ridiculous. That is what her father did with her and sisters.

 

She would just clone organs as needed.

[MisterJB]

I'm still enamored with the notion Shepard and Miranda discover a newly grown Lawson Sister on Horizon and raise her as their own. Is there fanfiction of that?

[Andrew Lucas]

To be honest, Miranda's reasons to not join the Normandy is quite understandable, she would probably feel selfish for keeping Shepard busy with her own personal problems when there's a war going on, but then again, the whole situation should've been revised. She didn't need to join at the start, but at least after Horizon and stay until the very end.

But no, fak you Miranda fan.