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[CrutchCricket]

Foundation issue 7 extablishes Miranda as the one who grew the clone.

 

Never mind the retcon, the idea of Miranda Lawson, with her backstory, actually growing a clone and then using him as spare parts to be discard is ridiculous. That is what her father did with her and sisters.

 

She would just clone organs as needed.

 

The idea itself I don't have a problem with. It makes sense. Maybe they were going for a The Island approach to cloning- individual organs don't come out right you need the entire organism to be alive. CloneShep would've won the lottery if need be.

 

It's also logical that this decision would come from above her (i.e. TIM).

 

I think in the past we may have invested too much in believing Miranda would agree with and even endorse everything Cerberus does. There is also the more simpler notion that she simply followed orders and did what was necessary in a few cases. Isn't one of our most historical blow-ups about how she wouldn't let personal feelings get in the way of pragmatics?

 

Though your idea could still be great in the hands of a good, or even competent writer. Maybe this plants the seed of doubt in Miranda about Cerberus. She's supposed to be working for the greater good but she's becoming her father regardless.

 

I'm still enamored with the notion Shepard and Miranda discover a newly grown Lawson Sister on Horizon and raise her as their own. Is there fanfiction of that?

As am I, with the notion of finding an Alien-Resurrection style gallery of failures. Complete with emotional breakdown and subsequent torching. This is my only jtav-ish moment of literary torture, though the idea was too dark for her tastes, if I recall.

 

To be honest, Miranda's reasons to not join the Normandy is quite understandable, she would probably feel selfish for keeping Shepard busy with her own personal problems when there's a war going on, but then again, the whole situation should've been revised. She didn't need to join at the start, but at least after Horizon and stay until the very end.

But no, fak you Miranda fan.

It depends. She might feel bad that she'd pull Shepard off a critical mission to help her, or she might know there may come a time where he would put the mission first, and if she were with him, she couldn't act. Depends on how your Shepard is and the individual circumstances.

[o Ventus]

To be honest, Miranda's reasons to not join the Normandy is quite understandable, she would probably feel selfish for keeping Shepard busy with her own personal problems when there's a war going on, but then again, the whole situation should've been revised. She didn't need to join at the start, but at least after Horizon and stay until the very end.

But no, fak you Miranda fan.

 

Except that's stupid, because with the Shadow Broker aboard the Normandy, finding Oriana would be a non-issue.

 

"Shepard? I need to find my sis--"

 

"She's on Horizon."

 

"What?"

 

"Yeah, Liara found her earlier."

 

"That was fast, I barely even had time to settle in."

[Andrew Lucas]

Except that's stupid, because with the Shadow Broker aboard the Normandy, finding Oriana would be a non-issue.

"Shepard? I need to find my sis--"

"She's on Horizon."

"What?"

"Yeah, Liara found her earlier."

"That was fast, I barely even had time to settle in."

Except Liara couldn't find The Crucible until the very last second. You say like if it's press one button thing.

And again, that wasn't even the point, but how Miranda herself would probably feel guilty for taking Shepard away from the war to solve her own personal problems.

[o Ventus]

Except Liara couldn't find The Crucible until the very last second. You say like if it's press one buttonthing.

Finding a person whose name and appearance is known is a bit easier than finding something that people didn't know existed up until that point.

 

And again, that wasn't even the point, but how Miranda herself would probably feel guilty for taking Shepard away from the war to solve her own personal problems.

 

I don't care. MY point is that it should be a non-issue, but the writers had to have some reason to keep Miranda away, no matter how flimsy the reasoning actually might be. And it would hardly be the first time Shepard has done someone else's grocery shopping while in the middle of the war.

[Andrew Lucas]

Finding a person whose name and appearance is known is a bit easier than finding something that people didn't know existed up until that point.



I don't care. MY point is that it should be a non-issue, but the writers had to have some reason to keep Miranda away, no matter how flimsy the reasoning actually might be. And it would hardly be the first time Shepard has done someone else's grocery shopping while in the middle of the war.

Eh, Liara was at the archives the whole time.

It makes some sense tho, you just wanted things to have taken a different way so that you could've gotten what you initially desired, and believe me, I wanted Miranda during the whole time, didn't happen, and there's also technical aspects behind it, but I believe Miranda could've joined after Horizon, she didn't, and there's no excuse for that.

I don't remember war in the previous games, the first one you're searching for the enemy, and the second one is about assembling a team and have their fully loyalty. I don't think Shepard would agree to blow up Jack's old facility during the reaper war if she asked him to.

Peace.

[CrutchCricket]

To be fair Liara's own fluctuating competence is just as much a contrivance as Miranda's absence.

 

Everyone is as smart or as dumb as the plot demands. Which is often itself dumb.

 

Some more contrivance: Would Miranda not have her own surveillance on Lawson's known associates, particularly after the close call on Ilium? Or on Cerberus for that matter after she broke off? Miranda Lawson, master operative and supposed 2IC wouldn't just run out the door, she'd have personal resources stashed away to go to ground. Finding Oriana could've taken all of two minutes.

 

Informant One: Unusual Cerberus activity around Horizon, starting around the same time Sanctuary rumors do.

Informant Two: Last known location of H. Lawson- relay to Horizon.

Informant Three: Mercs that kindnapped Oriana appear to be Eclipse but are using Cerberus encryption protocols.

Miranda: What could it mean?

 

You will hold this idiot ball and you will love it.

[MisterJB]

 

Hum, Tali, you might not want to touch...you know what, never mind.

 

[MisterJB]

To be fair Liara's own fluctuating competence is just as much a contrivance as Miranda's absence.

 

Everyone is as smart or as dumb as the plot demands. Which is often itself dumb.

 

Some more contrivance: Would Miranda not have her own surveillance on Lawson's known associates, particularly after the close call on Ilium? Or on Cerberus for that matter after she broke off? Miranda Lawson, master operative and supposed 2IC wouldn't just run out the door, she'd have personal resources stashed away to go to ground. Finding Oriana could've taken all of two minutes.

 

Informant One: Unusual Cerberus activity around Horizon, starting around the same time Sanctuary rumors do.

Informant Two: Last known location of H. Lawson- relay to Horizon.

Informant Three: Mercs that kindnapped Oriana appear to be Eclipse but are using Cerberus encryption protocols.

Miranda: What could it mean?

 

You will hold this idiot ball and you will love it.

 

Not that the plot isn't contrived but, to be fair, ME2 kind of extablished Miranda had a huge blind spot regarding The Illusive Man. She refuses to believe he could have used them as bait in the Collector ship.

If she resigns on the Collector Base, it's understandable she would be caught unprepared. Otherwise, if she quites in the six months between ME2 and ME3, it's inconceivable she wouldn't have taken precautions. When she calls in favors she is owed, it's too late for Ori.

Unless, of course, she was forced to quit, As in, she is having a perfectly normal day when she is contacted by TIM and told he has to "contain the situation" and she is then attacked.

 

But that would be so pathetic, I refuse to believe in it.
 

[CrutchCricket]

Not that the plot isn't contrived but, to be fair, ME2 kind of extablished Miranda had a huge blind spot regarding The Illusive Man. She refuses to believe he could have used them as bait in the Collector ship.

If she resigns on the Collector Base, it's understandable she would be caught unprepared. Otherwise, if she quites in the six months between ME2 and ME3, it's inconceivable she wouldn't have taken precautions. When she calls in favors she is owed, it's too late for Ori.

Unless, of course, she was forced to quit, As in, she is having a perfectly normal day when she is contacted by TIM and told he has to "contain the situation" and she is then attacked.

 

But that would be so pathetic, I refuse to believe in it.
 

Blindspot or no, the kind of work she does demands backups and contingencies independent of the organization or anyone else. And that doesn't explain the lack of surveillance on Lawson.

 

Even if she did have the rug pulled out from under her, she should (and would) have the instincts, training and smarts to adapt to the situation and fight back in more ways than not at all. I've seen/read enough Lundlum-era spy stories to know the tropes. The burned spy almost always has ways of turning the tables on the organization in small encounters, using their training, knowledge of protocols, old assets and contacts who may be sympathetic or ignorant of their status and so on to piece together the puzzle.

 

So no, I don't think there's really a plausible scenario where Miranda running haggard and blind is the only outcome. You may argue that stuff she mentions may constitute what I've said. But it's hardly satisfying and I think she could do better (and be written better). But that's so obvious it's meaningless to repeat.

[We'll bang okay]

 

 

Hum, Tali, you might not want to touch...you know what, never mind.

 

I always wanted a scene where Javik  doing that memory touch thing of his in the engine room

[Andrew Lucas]

Hum, Tali, you might not want to touch...you know what, never mind.

That pic reminded me of this,



And I've just finished ME2's Suicide Mission so....

FEELS.

[God]

 

Even if she did have the rug pulled out from under her, she should (and would) have the instincts, training and smarts to adapt to the situation and fight back in more ways than not at all. I've seen/read enough Lundlum-era spy stories to know the tropes. The burned spy almost always has ways of turning the tables on the organization in small encounters, using their training, knowledge of protocols, old assets and contacts who may be sympathetic or ignorant of their status and so on to piece together the puzzle.

 

 

In reality, that doesn't happen. 

 

I've been meaning to say it, but when it comes to this stuff, don't let spy fiction and tropes define it for you. Read a few manuals on COIN, Counter-intelligence, and SERE.

[CrutchCricket]

In reality, that doesn't happen. 

 

I've been meaning to say it, but when it comes to this stuff, don't let spy fiction and tropes define it for you. Read a few manuals on COIN, Counter-intelligence, and SERE.

I don't doubt it. But tropes are tropes for a reason. The reason Bourne, Mission Impossible and James Bond movies are popular is because they're entertaining. And they're entertaining because they're outlandish (while also carrying some nuances of realism in more modern iterations).

 

I'll look into the stuff you mentioned but if anything, I'd use what I learned to add authenticity to the way they get stuff done, not necessarily to avoid certain tropes. But the end goal can vary.

[God]

Fair enough. I'm not condemning that. I was simply under the assumption that you took those tropes to be realistic. If that was the case, I offered my correction due to my own experience in a world similar to that. Since it isn't, take my recommendation as a token of will.

[Lawrence0294]

Oh wow...so I guess keeping Miranda alive in ME3 is so hard, the thread was required to be moved in the combat, strategy and gameplay section.

[CrutchCricket]

You need a strategy guide to not only keep her alive but to find some satisfaction in her role.

 

No, wait that's vodka for that last. A lot of vodka.

[JobacNoor]

I assumed the strategy was for how to get into that catsuit

 

Huh, 2k. Yay, I guess.

Modifié par JobacNoor, 24 août 2015 - 09:50 .

[CrutchCricket]

I assumed the strategy was for how to get into that catsuit

That strategy is simple.

 

1. Rescue her sister.

2. Don't be a dick.

3. ???

4. Profit!

[Lawrence0294]

That strategy is simple.

 

1. Rescue her sister.

2. Don't be a dick.

3. ???

4. Profit!

 

 

My god...that picture still scares the hell out of me...

[Lady Sif]

Somewhere distant, still at homeby BlancheDr

 

Mass Effect/SFM - Sushi Nightby EmKProd

 

Miranda Lawson - Spaceby MonoAbel

[o Ventus]

 

 

 

Mass Effect/SFM - Sushi Nightby EmKProd

 

Fake and unrealistic. There's no way any self respecting sushi joint would offer service to Shepard after what he did at the Ryuusei. 0/10 for historical inaccuracy.

[Lawrence0294]

[God]

Some pretty saucy new pics on DeviantArt. 

 

Won't post em' here, too NSFW or whatever for the jackhole mods.

[Lawrence0294]

Some pretty saucy new pics on DeviantArt. 

 

Won't post em' here, too NSFW or whatever for the jackhole mods.

Lately I checked if any good new art was done....

 

Lots of NSFW indeed, though most were pretty bad.

 

Others are just really, really weird. Oh internet, it never disappoints.

[CYRAX470]

So I'm picking up where I left off in ME3, just to finished Sanctuary. Miranda is dead...though I always liked her death. She killed her father, saved her sister, tried to stop people from going to Sanctuary, she died a hero. I go back and forth between her and Ashely from time to time. But her death is a good one. Really redeems herself from being that Cerberus ice queen.