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[Glory_Man]

No way all those Cerb agents can be indoctrinated.. TIM may be, but it would be strange for the man you worked for in some degree or the other in ME2 to suddenly change like that, i doubt that will happen in a Bioware game.. However they may think they need to kill Shepard for one reason or another to save humanity. Like a deal with the reapers, or just one of TIMs plans..

BTW: Did anyone read the comic where Aria fights of "collector"like beasts from the base? Cerberus made some **** there.. and i will NOT let that base live next time due to that comic.. Strange to see the comic assuming the players made a choice though, they are not supposed to do that..

I really hope Miranda will be available the entire game in one form or the other.. especially for those that have her as the LI.. who does not?

[jtav]

Not strictly Miranda related, but I hope the "things man was not meant to know" subtext is refuted. Reaper tech is just that: tech. It can be analyzed, countered, and improved upon. They aren't gods, and I refuse to treat them as if they were. Yes, it's dangerous. So's nuclear power.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
Oh, another question: How has Miranda changed between games?

Hmm....that question won't be answered since it would a spoiler for Miranda's character development.

You know, when I think about it too much, her insecurity is a bit odd. Shepard can't take any credit for his genetics either. And Miranda still had to develop her gifts. Her dad has it coming.

That's what I've always said, you know: that nobody can take any credit for his/her genetics, and Miranda shouldn't be bothered by it if she stops to think about it. Which is why I've always said the reason for her self-esteem problems is not her genetic engineering as such but the emotional abuse she's suffered at the hands of her father. Dealing with the ghost of her father - and possibly the man himself - should go far in making her appreciate herself more.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 10 août 2011 - 01:34 .

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
Not strictly Miranda related, but I hope the "things man was not meant to know" subtext is refuted. Reaper tech is just that: tech. It can be analyzed, countered, and improved upon. They aren't gods, and I refuse to treat them as if they were. Yes, it's dangerous. So's nuclear power.

I will take that as a suggestion for a question, since this is a pet peeve of mine...

[Glory_Man]

i actually belive her selfesteem will be better by ME3, and this time more real than in ME2.. She has had time to think about things, and she saved humanity from the collectors.. Also, not insecure about Shep etc, and that bond will help her get more self confident. The last touch will be when we end Cerberus/her father:)

Modifié par Glory_Man, 10 août 2011 - 01:37 .

[jtav]

Not sure how to phrase it but please do. It's a pet peeve for me too. Uses of tech may be immoral, but knowledge is neutral, tending to beneficial. Reapers are just another lifeform.

[Ieldra]

Glory_Man wrote...
No way all those Cerb agents can be indoctrinated.. TIM may be, but it would be strange for the man you worked for in some degree or the other in ME2 to suddenly change like that, i doubt that will happen in a Bioware game.. However they may think they need to kill Shepard for one reason or another to save humanity. Like a deal with the reapers, or just one of TIMs plans..

I do not think they're specifically after Shepard. They just have other plans and Shepard is interfering (based on Mac Walters' tweet of yesterday)..

As for indoctrination, of course they could all be indoctrinated. All it takes is exposure to specific Reaper artifacts. I'm thinking that TIM is not indoctrinated but he's using indoctrination to keep his goons loyal.

BTW: Did anyone read the comic where Aria fights of "collector"like beasts from the base? Cerberus made some **** there.. and i will NOT let that base live next time due to that comic.. Strange to see the comic assuming the players made a choice though, they are not supposed to do that..

I could make a very long argument in favor of keeping the Collector base, but that would go too far OT so I'm just going to link you to my post in a relevant thread. Suffice it to say that this happens regardless of player choice. Either Cerberus finds something in the base or they find something in its wreackage.

I really hope Miranda will be available the entire game in one form or the other.. especially for those that have her as the LI.. who does not?

She won't be available from the start, we can be almost certain of that. For the rest.......I hope we hear something before long. Seven months with a finger hovering over the panic button is not a pleasant prospect.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 10 août 2011 - 01:54 .

[Glory_Man]

Ieldra2 wrote...

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I do not think they're specifically after Shepard. They just have other plans and Shepard is interfering (based on Mac Walters' tweet of yesterday)..

As for indoctrination, of course they could all be indoctrinated. All it takes is exposure to specific Reaper artifacts. I'm thinking that TIM is not indoctrinated but he's using indoctrination to keep his goons loyal.

Hmm, i find it strange that Cerberus all off a sudden is so large as well, to be available to attack the salarian homeworld etc. Sanders and Anderson almost destroyed them in the book.. So Cerberus should be weakened actually..  I

Ieldra2 wrote...  could make a very long argument in favor of keeping the Collector base, but that would go too far OT so I'm just going to link you to my post in a relevant thread. Suffice it to say that this happens regardless of player choice. Either Cerberus finds something in the base or they find something in its wreackage.

Please fix link:) It says i can`t edit post..

I really hope Miranda will be available the entire game in one form or the other.. especially for those that have her as the LI.. who does not?

She won't be available from the start, we can be almost certain of that. For the rest.......I hope we hear something before long. Seven months with a finger hovering over the panic button is not a good prospect.

True, seven months is far to long.. I think she might be available rather fast at least. if they make it so that the LI wants to be near Shepard and will be?

She can easily blend in on earth, and surely gain access to the trial.. It might be that the alliance does not know she was Cerberus, and henceforth she is not charged with anything..

Modifié par Glory_Man, 10 août 2011 - 01:51 .

[Ieldra]

Fixed link.

[Filuto]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Filuto wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

reqent wrote...
It would also be interesting to see how she feels about fighting Cerebus now that they have been indoctrinated. I know she can be aloof but killing former colleagues that are brain washed couldn't be easy.

It is unclear if they have been indoctrinated. That's just what first comes to mind. I don't think she'll have problems with shooting them, but it will affect her emotionally afterwards just as it would other humans.

what you mean it is not cleare? did you see demo ? Shep clearly says the are indoctrinated and than start killing cerberus agents  i like cerberus and TIM in me2 so this is going to be hard for me ...... i mean shor maybe they show demo to confuse players but i doubt it.

Shepard's conclusion may not be correct. It is clear these Cerberus agents are hostile. But we do not know why.

i would like to believe that you are right(maybe you are) but i think that some thing just the way they appear to be, but we shall see.Nevertheless they are still enemy and it breaks my heart  plus developers said that geth will work with reapers(to be accurate they said work with reapers in this point) but legion is still in shep squad (if he survives)...so i am really curious what the is going on in me3 
this is the video shep talking abou cerberus an developers abou geth working with reapers. www.youtube.com/watch

Modifié par Filuto, 10 août 2011 - 02:33 .

[KamikazeShepard]

Seboist wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Seboist wrote...

KamikazeShepard wrote...

Well Shepard could go both ways, but I won't lie. I always think of him as a male

Based on past news that's true in more ways than one.

You'll have to explain that one to me...

It's a crack about there being hetero and same-sex LI in ME3.

Actually I meant that Shepard can be Female and Male, but that works too.

[jtav]

I'd still love a bisexual Miranda. Not that I think I'll get her.

[KamikazeShepard]

I don't like turning characters who have been straight into bisexuals. Miranda has never really made any advances on femshep iirc so I don't think they would turn her bi.

[Td1984]

KamikazeShepard wrote...

I don't like turning characters who have been straight into bisexuals. Miranda has never really made any advances on femshep iirc so I don't think they would turn her bi.

Yvonne sounds like she'd be okay with it, so that might make it a little more possible.

@Ieldra:
Your argument for keeping the base sounds pretty convincing. I may end up doing that on my canon run.

[Prudii Aden]

Can we please step away from the "all LI's should be bi-sexual" topic? It's only likely to devolve into a wardroom debate or circular argument.

[Filuto]

Td1984 wrote...

KamikazeShepard wrote...

I don't like turning characters who have been straight into bisexuals. Miranda has never really made any advances on femshep iirc so I don't think they would turn her bi.

Yvonne sounds like she'd be okay with it, so that might make it a little more possible.

@Ieldra:
Your argument for keeping the base sounds pretty convincing. I may end up doing that on my canon run.

Don do it Ieldra2 is illusiveman!!!

[jtav]

I've gone increasingly Renegade. Killing the Council, keeping the base. About the only thing I don't do is kill the rachni. The status quo needs upsetting, badly. I hope Miranda still likes this Shep.

[jtav]

And, er, would someone be willing to help me figure out whether Miranda is the best possible match for a particular Shep?

[Td1984]

I'm not sure I could ever bring myself to kill the Council. Though I'd be more likely to do so on my canon run than kill the Rachni Queen.

[Prudii Aden]

What's the issue jtav?

[jtav]

Choosing between Ms. Lawson and Dr. T'Soni. He's a huge geek. Knowledge is good. He's the type of guy who'd be helping Liara in a dig or completely reworking his omni-tool. He keeps the base and the genophage data. At the same time, he's horrified that there isn't a more concerted effort to reverse engineer Prothean tech. He sees the Council as corrupt oppressing non-Council species, including humans in the name of the status quo. He'll do everything he can to upset that. I can see both as very attractive.

[Prudii Aden]

Any other personality traits?

I can see why Miranda would be attracted to him - he believes in something greater than himself (technological and cultural advancement of his and other species), and acknowledges that other species can teach humanity and vice versa.
As for Liara, she seems to be the type that goes after knowledge for knowledges sake, but not really do much with it.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
Choosing between Ms. Lawson and Dr. T'Soni. He's a huge geek. Knowledge is good. He's the type of guy who'd be helping Liara in a dig or completely reworking his omni-tool. He keeps the base and the genophage data. At the same time, he's horrified that there isn't a more concerted effort to reverse engineer Prothean tech. He sees the Council as corrupt oppressing non-Council species, including humans in the name of the status quo. He'll do everything he can to upset that. I can see both as very attractive.

Wow....that sounds almost like my main Shepard. A little less geeky perhaps and a background in intelligence. He likes Liara as a very good friend but loves Miranda. As for yours, Liara and Miranda are both good matches. You can spin it any way you want I think. But the more pro-human your Shepard is the less Liara appears as the best match. If this Shepard embodies your dislike for ME's humanity, then Miranda might not be the best match. Or the other way round, if you want the LI to balance Shepard's traits. So it isn't easy to decide. It depends on what you want in this Shepard's LI.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 10 août 2011 - 05:39 .

[Clonedzero]

so i pose this question to you all.

shepard and miranda in a relationship. they decide to go to the movies. miranda wants to see movie X, shepard wants to see movie Y. who wins? what movie do they see?

no cop out answers like "shepard and miranda are a perfect couple so they'd both wanna see the same movie anyways!".

[Melra]

People who've seen as much as they do, would probably find any entertainment from movies..