jtav wrote...
Never let it be said I only do angst. Behold a quick humorous one-shot. Miranda is not accustomed to being stood up, especially over a Keeper. A sort of proof-of-concept for my current Shep. May write about him more if there's interest.
And now back to the CB story.
KamikazeShepard wrote...
I am against the idea of having Miranda in a f/f relation. It's stupid to make her suddenly bi. She's already been portrayed as a straight person, there's no reason to just turn her bi. Liara and Likely James vega should be the only bi options, let everyone else retain their sexual orientation.
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I hope I'll be able to. I have little patience with long waiting times, but I do get up early and I'm usually one of the first ones in in the morning at such events.jtav wrote...
PC demo? Ieldra, do your duty!
Yet another Sur'kesh demo.....
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Volandrius wrote...
KamikazeShepard wrote...
I am against the idea of having Miranda in a f/f relation. It's stupid to make her suddenly bi. She's already been portrayed as a straight person, there's no reason to just turn her bi. Liara and Likely James vega should be the only bi options, let everyone else retain their sexual orientation.
Sorry, but I'm going to have to pleasently agree with this.
Melrache wrote...
She hasn't said that she's straight. I think all of the LIs have admitted having something for Shepard, after he/she has making advances towards them, you don't have a chance to do that Miri as Fem Shep, that doesn't remove the possibility of her being bi. Miranda being BI, doesn't take anything away from you, so just shysh.
Melrache wrote...
She hasn't said that she's straight. I think all of the LIs have admitted having something for Shepard, after he/she has making advances towards them, you don't have a chance to do that Miri as Fem Shep, that doesn't remove the possibility of her being bi. Miranda being BI, doesn't take anything away from you, so just shysh.
i gotta admit, its really the worst argument ive ever heard.Blooddrunk1004 wrote...
Melrache wrote...
She hasn't said that she's straight. I think all of the LIs have admitted having something for Shepard, after he/she has making advances towards them, you don't have a chance to do that Miri as Fem Shep, that doesn't remove the possibility of her being bi. Miranda being BI, doesn't take anything away from you, so just shysh.
May i ask why does chrachter need to say that he is straight in order to prove he/she is not bi...?
Clonedzero wrote...
i gotta admit, its really the worst argument ive ever heard.Blooddrunk1004 wrote...
Melrache wrote...
She hasn't said that she's straight. I think all of the LIs have admitted having something for Shepard, after he/she has making advances towards them, you don't have a chance to do that Miri as Fem Shep, that doesn't remove the possibility of her being bi. Miranda being BI, doesn't take anything away from you, so just shysh.
May i ask why does chrachter need to say that he is straight in order to prove he/she is not bi...?
im not against miranda being bi, but its really a horrible argument.
The Uncanny wrote...
Melrache wrote...
She
hasn't said that she's straight. I think all of the LIs have admitted
having something for Shepard, after he/she has making advances towards
them, you don't have a chance to do that Miri as Fem Shep, that doesn't
remove the possibility of her being bi. Miranda being BI, doesn't take
anything away from you, so just shysh.
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MisterJB wrote...
And this was going so well, too.
no its not. if the writer is doing such a horrible job that something as simple as their sexual orientation cannot be implied and unsterstood without flat out declaring it then they need to get new writers. its such a poor argument and a underhanded one too. seriously if you cant tell a persons orientation in a story by the writing, then the writer has FAILED to charactize the character. unless them hiding their orientation is part of their character, but come on, this isnt the type of game to have some sort of ridiculous closet-case subplot.Melrache wrote...
Just as horrible as the argument about her being straight, just because she's never said that she's bi.
Clonedzero wrote...
no its not. if the writer is doing such a horrible job that something as simple as their sexual orientation cannot be implied and unsterstood without flat out declaring it then they need to get new writers. its such a poor argument and a underhanded one too. seriously if you cant tell a persons orientation in a story by the writing, then the writer has FAILED to charactize the character. unless them hiding their orientation is part of their character, but come on, this isnt the type of game to have some sort of ridiculous closet-case subplot.Melrache wrote...
Just as horrible as the argument about her being straight, just because she's never said that she's bi.
mind you, im not against miranda being changed to be bi. i'm just not going to lie and say "oh it was obvious she was bi all along" cus thats not true at all.
calling a spade a spade isnt wrong.
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Volandrius wrote...
I guess I'm a bit alone here.. I don't like in-fighting between people who like the same character. I guess atm It's hard for me to see Miranda as Bi, perhaps it just the straight man inside me seeing it, who knows.. If she happens to become Bi, its still only game..
Ok! On to a different subject.
no, the default should be heterosexual. because thats what it is in real life lol. thats what everyone in the real world assumes. its how the average person thinks, its how they should write it. its understood by a vast majority of people.jtav wrote...
Considering they did everything but hang a flashing neon sign saying iPartners was for reproduction, that's thin evidence. I'm not arguing she is bisexual, I'm arguing she could plausibly be revealed so. The default shouldn't be heterosexual, it should be "unknown." And any relationship would be player initiated. We don't know how she would have reacted to FemShep's advances. Unlike Ash, Tali, and Jack, dialogue is identical for male and female unless you romance her. It would be trivially easy to make her a s/s option.
The Uncanny wrote...
Volandrius wrote...
I guess I'm a bit alone here.. I don't like in-fighting between people who like the same character. I guess atm It's hard for me to see Miranda as Bi, perhaps it just the straight man inside me seeing it, who knows.. If she happens to become Bi, its still only game..
Ok! On to a different subject.
Agreed to disagree. I think we can all be happy with that and get on with the Miranda support!
I still think she'd be the ideal character for a post-ME3 spin off game.
Ok, now that is the one thing I can't agree with. I'm not against S/S Miranda in ME3 as long as it doesn't get more screentime than it's counterpart and doesn't affect Miranda's personality in a way ManShep couldn't.The Uncanny wrote...
That's utterly absurd. That implies that sexuality somehow defines a character. It doesn't. It implies that people's sexuality is somehow fixed in place and never alters. It isn't.
Clonedzero wrote...
no, the default should be heterosexual. because thats what it is in real life lol. thats what everyone in the real world assumes. its how the average person thinks, its how they should write it. its understood by a vast majority of people.jtav wrote...
Considering they did everything but hang a flashing neon sign saying iPartners was for reproduction, that's thin evidence. I'm not arguing she is bisexual, I'm arguing she could plausibly be revealed so. The default shouldn't be heterosexual, it should be "unknown." And any relationship would be player initiated. We don't know how she would have reacted to FemShep's advances. Unlike Ash, Tali, and Jack, dialogue is identical for male and female unless you romance her. It would be trivially easy to make her a s/s option.
now you can argue the "ethics" or whatever of that. its how the world works. when i meet someone, i assume they are straight unless im told otherwise or theres evidence showing that isnt correct. thats how a VAST majority of people think. these characters are in a story, you're supposed to understand them. when a writer creates a character, you're supposed to get a feel for who they are, to understand them.
throwing the fact that she's suddenly bi completely out of left field, is random and theres no previous characterization to show that change in her character.
again, im not against them making her bi. but i acknowledge that they are in fact, changing her character. she isnt bi currently. this is a story. they need to convey things to the audience. if its not being conveyed in any way, then its not part of the character or story. simple as that.
MisterJB wrote...
Ok, now that is the oneThe Uncanny wrote...
That's
utterly absurd. That implies that sexuality somehow defines a character.
It doesn't. It implies that people's sexuality is somehow fixed in
place and never alters. It isn't.
thing I can't agree with. I'm not against S/S Miranda in ME3 as long as
it doesn't get more screentime than it's counterpart and doesn't affect
Miranda's personality in a way ManShep couldn't.
If Miranda is Bi
make it so that she was Bi all along and FemShep simply "didn't ask".
Miranda being heterosexual until FemShep came along is not only OOC but
also makes the S/S romance more "special".
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