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[Caihn]

strive wrote...
I hate the white armor. It looks okay in the comics, but in game it didn't translate well at all.

I also prefer the black one.

The white suit looks better with JeanLuc HQ mod :

Modifié par Yannkee, 19 juin 2011 - 03:17 .

[goofyomnivore]

Hell no that armor is just like the one ME2. That's the kind of
outfit that everyone is complaining about. And no heels.... just no[smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/pouty.png[/smilie]

IMO that looks miles better than the white armor, and more practical than the black armor. Which was what I was proposing a compromise. Keep her femme fatale look, but add a bit of practicality to it. I do agree with the heels. The best part is no clevage. That is my biggest gripe about her "catsuits".

This wouldn't be what I pick for the armor, but it does show a good compromise imo. I'd personally go for something like Nyssa in Blade 2, but it is more of a medium armor, and not everyone likes the AA2 pack.

Modifié par strive, 19 juin 2011 - 02:55 .

[atheelogos]

Yannkee wrote...

atheelogos wrote...
That's the kind of outfit that everyone is complaining about.

Many fans don't have problems with the catsuits.

You want Miranda to wear armor, fine. But stop making assumptions that everybody wants this.

I didn't mean to say everyone meaning every single fan. I meant the people here on the forums who have problems with the crap she wears.

[atheelogos]

strive wrote...

Hell no that armor is just like the one ME2. That's the kind of
outfit that everyone is complaining about. And no heels.... just no[smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/pouty.png[/smilie]

IMO that looks miles better than the white armor, and more practical than the black armor. Which was what I was proposing a compromise. Keep her femme fatale look, but add a bit of practicality to it. I do agree with the heels. The best part is no clevage. That is my biggest gripe about her "catsuits".

This wouldn't be what I pick for the armor, but it does show a good compromise imo. I'd personally go for something like Nyssa in Blade 2, but it is more of a medium armor, and not everyone likes the AA2 pack.

Nyssa's armor in Blade 2 was great. lol I gotta admit that. But it was great because it made sense. She wasn't going up against people who had guns. They fought with their fists, so she didn't need any armor that would stop bullets.

[Caihn]

ViSeirA wrote...

I always thought Miranda doesn't need a full suit of armor, she a biotic and a tech user... she favors mobility over protection, they need to make her a light combat suit, not bulky armor, and on the Normandy she can go back to her awesome catsuit.

I agree.

But if I have to choose between the catsuit and a bulky armor, I will always choose the catsuit. It fits more her combat style.

[goofyomnivore]

Yannkee wrote.

The white suit looks better with JeanLuc HQ mod :

I can't get his mods to work. I think it is because of Steam, and it does look a bit better. I wish I could use his skin textures for Miranda though. She looks a little too pale in some scenes, and that mod seems to fix that.

[Vertigo_1]

jtav wrote...
They've made your LI into an antagonist before: Bastila and Aribeth. Both cases involved greater or lesser degrees of mind control. You could redeem them via power of love. It would be a stupid scenario, but the precedent is there.

Ok you make a good point.  I'm still not convinced the power of love can win out against this type of indoctrination.
That just seems cheesy to me if true.

[Caihn]

strive wrote...

Yannkee wrote.

The white suit looks better with JeanLuc HQ mod :

I can't get his mods to work. I think it is because of Steam, and it does look a bit better. I wish I could use his skin textures for Miranda though. She looks a little too pale in some scenes, and that mod seems to fix that.

This may help you :

http://social.biowar...iscussion/1825/

btw, to me the "smoother skin" version of Miranda mod is better (it's the one I use). I find the default one too dark.

Modifié par Yannkee, 19 juin 2011 - 03:10 .

[goofyomnivore]

I'll try that out later after my father's day lunch . Thanks Yannkee

(and happy dad day in case they're any other dads who lurk the Miranda thread)

Modifié par strive, 19 juin 2011 - 03:24 .

[jtav]

Vertigo_1 wrote...
Ok you make a good point.  I'm still not convinced the power of love can win out against this type of indoctrination.
That just seems cheesy to me if true.

Unbelievably, unbearably cheesy, and it contradicts what we know of indoctrination. But I don't necessarily trust the writers, which is why I'd like that confirmation she isn't an antagonist.

[Ieldra]

Vertigo_1 wrote...

jtav wrote...
They've made your LI into an antagonist before: Bastila and Aribeth. Both cases involved greater or lesser degrees of mind control. You could redeem them via power of love. It would be a stupid scenario, but the precedent is there.

Ok you make a good point.  I'm still not convinced the power of love can win out against this type of indoctrination.
That just seems cheesy to me if true.

Very much so. Also NWN is fantasy and SW is fantasy in space. Not that that has stopped Bioware before (Renegade scarring, grr), but it makes it less likely. I'd hate it if she was indoctrinated, but if she's cured by the Power of Love instead of a proper medical procedure, that would be the absolutely last straw. Unfortunately after ME2 I don't trust Mac Walters not to forget that ME isn't a comic-book universe.

[jtav]

Exactly, Ieldra.

Would you guys approve of me adding a list of things we don't want to see in ME3 to the OP? I'm thinking of things like indoctrination cured by love or having her as nothing more than a victim for Leng.

[goofyomnivore]

^ I'm against both of those, so I wouldn't mind. Both of those plots are cheesy. BioWare can do better and Miranda deserves better .

Modifié par strive, 19 juin 2011 - 03:47 .

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
Would you guys approve of me adding a list of things we don't want to see in ME3 to the OP? I'm thinking of things like indoctrination cured by love or having her as nothing more than a victim for Leng.

You don't have to ask me, I guess, but: I explicitly approve of this. I think it's safe to say that everyone here likes Miranda as a competent woman who can hold her own, and that any possible capture scenario where Shepard gets to save her should include that aspect of her character. Even comptetent people can get in over their heads, but I wish that Miranda, as a rule, has or retains initiative in what she does.

[jtav]

Rough draft

What we don't want to see in ME3
*Miranda indoctrinated, particularly if it's something she can be persuaded out of rather than being cured by a procedure.
*Miranda as victim. Anyone can be in peril, but Miranda should retain her initiative and competence. We don't want her arc to center around whatever misfortune may befall her, such as capture and torture or for her to be nothing more than a device to prove the villains are dangerous.

[MACharlie1]

jtav wrote...

Rough draft

What we don't want to see in ME3
*Miranda indoctrinated, particularly if it's something she can be persuaded out of rather than being cured by a procedure.
*Miranda as victim. Anyone can be in peril, but Miranda should retain her initiative and competence. We don't want her arc to center around whatever misfortune may befall her, such as capture and torture or for her to be nothing more than a device to prove the villains are dangerous.

I don't mind it if she's been captured/tortured. As long as she isn't crying out for help. She'd be spitting in her torturer's eyes with a sly smirk while bleeding from the mouth. Throw in some Australian insult for good measure. 

[jtav]

There's got to be a better way to phrase what I mean. Sometimes you can tell a character is killed/raped/tortured and you can tell it was done to give the hero a reason to angst or establish the villains as bad. The character who suffered is reduced to being nothing more than a victim. I don't want that for Miranda.

[Ieldra]

Rephrase suggestion:

What we don't want to see in ME3
*Miranda indoctrinated, particularly if it's something she can be persuaded out of rather than being cured by a medical/otherwise scientific procedure.
*Miranda reduced to nothing more than a victim. Anyone can be in peril, but Miranda should retain her initiative and competence. We don't want her arc to center around whatever misfortune may befall her, such as capture and torture or for her to be nothing more than a device to prove the villains are dangerous. If she gets in peril, she should make a good showing of herself and suffer no mental/emotional breakdown or suchlike, neither in the situation nor after getting out of it.

I also have a suggestion for the wishlist:

We want to see a badass cutscene with her!

Modifié par Ieldra2, 19 juin 2011 - 05:28 .

[jtav]

Done. I've also removed the Miranda Manifesto in response to some concerns that it doesn't fit what is not yet an appreciation thread. If anyone feels it should be restored, let me know.

[Vertigo_1]

Ieldra2 wrote...
We want to see a badass cutscene with her!

Badass intro IMO!
Like the one I mentioned earlier...
But where she saves Shepard

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 19 juin 2011 - 05:49 .

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Vertigo_1 wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
We want to see a badass cutscene with her!

Badass intro IMO!
Like the one I mentioned earlier...
But where she saves Shepard

^THIS!!!!^_^

[MACharlie1]

jtav wrote...

There's got to be a better way to phrase what I mean. Sometimes you can tell a character is killed/raped/tortured and you can tell it was done to give the hero a reason to angst or establish the villains as bad. The character who suffered is reduced to being nothing more than a victim. I don't want that for Miranda.

You just did.

"I don't want to see Miranda as a victim." 

[Ieldra]

@jtav:
The titles - wishlist and not-wishlist - should be bolded.

[jtav]

Done. Any more suggestions? What I listed were two of my three dealbreakers: developments that would make me replay the SM for the express purpose of killing her.

I have on my hands a fairly standard uncouth Renegade. Completely unsuited for Miranda. Which doesn't stop Shepard from nursing a huge crush on her and trying to be someone she would like. Any chance for decisions I can make to reflect that? The big one would be the base, destroying it because Miranda  expresses discomfort, What the lady wants, she gets.

Modifié par jtav, 19 juin 2011 - 07:26 .

[MisterJB]

Vertigo_1 wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
Where did he confirm that Miranda won't be an antagonist? That's a very important fact that should not have escaped us....

Brennon Holmes was the one who said:
http://social.biowar...7598/26#7336012

"She's one of the most elite of the Cerberus enemies. So not really a unique enemy, and not a boss - though if you were to fight one of them early on in the game, I imagine that *could* feel a little like a mini-boss fight. "


And later when I asked if it could be Miranda:
http://social.biowar...7598/26#7336070

"Yes, that's a female Cerberus enemy - not Miranda."

My mistake, then. It had been over a month since I read that quote. I apologize.

jtav wrote...
I have on my hands a fairly standard uncouth Renegade. Completely unsuited for Miranda. Which doesn't stop Shepard from nursing a huge crush on her and trying to be someone she would like. Any chance for decisions I can make to reflect that? The big one would be the base, destroying it because Miranda  expresses discomfort, What the lady wants, she gets.

Tell Jack to ****** off, give Veetor, Legion and the Data to Cerberus, let her kill Niket, don't wake Grunt.

Modifié par MisterJB, 19 juin 2011 - 07:34 .