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[wright1978]

Don't want Miri to be in post Me3 spin off game as she'll be off with Shep.

[Clonedzero]

The Uncanny wrote...

That's utterly absurd. That implies that sexuality somehow defines a character. It doesn't. It implies that people's sexuality is somehow fixed in place and never alters. It isn't.

You can go ahead and read what you like into how a character is presented. Your assumptions do not fix anything in stone.

its part of a character, it doesnt define the character though. obviously. it doesnt imply that peoples sexuality is somehow fixed and never alters. you're reading too much into this.

the simple fact. is that it is the writers job to define the character. to show us who they are. what they think. what they believe. what they're personality is like. and yes, what their sexual orientation is. nothing in those catagories have to be flat out declared, in fact its best if they dont. like say a character is a republican, its better for the writer to SHOW that they are a republican, than say it. same goes for orientation. the writers showed that miranda was straight by having a romance with a man, and having backstory about her being in a relationship with another man. it can be easily figured out and understood that she is straight. its a simple concept. its how writing works.

now, i want to stress this. i'm not against them changing miranda into being bi. i wouldn't mind it at all. it would have absolutely zero negative impact on her character. all that i am saying is that i acknowledge that it is in fact a change to her character. i don't know why that upsets you, i'm on your side, i think miranda would make a great f/f romance. its still them changing the character though, its not a bad change, but its a change none the less.

[Td1984]

jlb524 wrote...

Is it bad that I'm sexually attracted to Miranda? Yes/No

Is it bad that I hope she's an f/f LI so I will finally make a second Female Shepard just to romance her: Yes/No.

I say "no" on both counts. I have a ManShep who (obviously) romanced Miri on the PS3 version (I have yet to import my 360 one to ME2 and won't do so until ME3 comes out and I do my canon runs then). I also have a FemShep who I will not romance anyone with until ME3, as I want to see who is available for S/S romance. If they make Miri bi, I will have no issue with it whatsoever and would almost certainly romance her with both Sheps.

[TheMarshal]

Clonedzero wrote...

no, the default should be heterosexual. because thats what it is in real life lol. thats what everyone in the real world assumes. its how the average person thinks, its how they should write it. its understood by a vast majority of people.

now you can argue the "ethics" or whatever of that. its how the world works. when i meet someone, i assume they are straight unless im told otherwise or theres evidence showing that isnt correct. thats how a VAST majority of people think. these characters are in a story, you're supposed to  understand them. when a writer creates a character, you're supposed to get a feel for who they are, to understand them.

throwing the fact that she's suddenly bi completely out of left field, is random and theres no previous characterization to show that change in her character.

again, im not against them making her bi. but i acknowledge that they are in fact, changing her character. she isnt bi currently. this is a story. they need to convey things to the audience. if its not being conveyed in any way, then its not part of the character or story. simple as that.

What about Miranda being bisexual would be evidenced in her character one way or another?  Other than being available to be romanced by both ManShep and FemShep, how would it "change" her?  Or is it that whenever you discover anything about a character that you didn't know before, it comes "out of left field"?

Jacob's the only one that brings up his past with Miranda, she's never mentioned any past relationships to Shepard, with men or women.  She's obviously not the type to talk about her personal life.  She's all business (even when it comes to the iPartners stuff in LotSB).

[Vertigo_1]

Td1984 wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Is it bad that I'm sexually attracted to Miranda? Yes/No

Is it bad that I hope she's an f/f LI so I will finally make a second Female Shepard just to romance her: Yes/No.

I
say "no" on both counts. I have a ManShep who (obviously) romanced Miri on the PS3 version (I have yet to import my 360 one to ME2 and won't do so until ME3 comes out and I do my canon runs then). I also have a FemShep who I will not romance anyone with until ME3, as I want to see who is available for S/S romance. If they make Miri bi, I will have no issue with it whatsoever and would almost certainly romance her with both Sheps.

My Femshep also would like to know if this is true for ME3

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 12 août 2011 - 06:02 .

[Melra]

I'd play fem Shepard, if it was revealed, that Miri is bi.

[raziel1980]

Td1984 wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Is it bad that I'm sexually attracted to Miranda? Yes/No

Is it bad that I hope she's an f/f LI so I will finally make a second Female Shepard just to romance her: Yes/No.

I say "no" on both counts. I have a ManShep who (obviously) romanced Miri on the PS3 version (I have yet to import my 360 one to ME2 and won't do so until ME3 comes out and I do my canon runs then). I also have a FemShep who I will not romance anyone with until ME3, as I want to see who is available for S/S romance. If they make Miri bi, I will have no issue with it whatsoever and would almost certainly romance her with both Sheps.

I'm kinda in a similiar position as you except that I will be playing a male and probadly a male and a  fem shep run on the pc version of ME 1( once I get it in the mail...) and transferring them later into 2 n 3 for the pc...since my canon runs are on the PS3( and the system that I preordered the collector's edition under.

EDIT: @ jlb... I say no on both accounts as well and great especially if that means I get to see some more videos of your shephard's on youtube.

Modifié par raziel1980, 12 août 2011 - 06:10 .

[TheMarshal]

Melrache wrote...

I'd play fem Shepard, if it was revealed, that Miri is bi.

I have a FemShep all ready to go in the event that Miranda is available to FemShep in ME3.  >.>

[Volandrius]

TheMarshal wrote...

Clonedzero wrote...

no, the default should be heterosexual. because thats what it is in real life lol. thats what everyone in the real world assumes. its how the average person thinks, its how they should write it. its understood by a vast majority of people.

now you can argue the "ethics" or whatever of that. its how the world works. when i meet someone, i assume they are straight unless im told otherwise or theres evidence showing that isnt correct. thats how a VAST majority of people think. these characters are in a story, you're supposed to  understand them. when a writer creates a character, you're supposed to get a feel for who they are, to understand them.

throwing the fact that she's suddenly bi completely out of left field, is random and theres no previous characterization to show that change in her character.

again, im not against them making her bi. but i acknowledge that they are in fact, changing her character. she isnt bi currently. this is a story. they need to convey things to the audience. if its not being conveyed in any way, then its not part of the character or story. simple as that.

Jacob's the only one that brings up his past with Miranda, she's never mentioned any past relationships to Shepard, with men or women.

She doesn't need to mention anyone else because Miranda only trusted a few people in her life; Niket, TIM, the contact on Ilium (LM), and in this case Jacob aswell. Those are basically the only people she's ever trusted, and she tells you this in her dialogue on her LM.

[Td1984]

Melrache wrote...

I'd play fem Shepard, if it was revealed, that Miri is bi.

My ManShep will still get played entirely through the trilogy first, but if Miri is bi, my FemShep would be guaranteed to be brought through the trilogy as well.

Now if only I could get the face code for FemShep 3 from that vote...

[TheMarshal]

Volandrius wrote...

She doesn't need to mention anyone else because Miranda only trusted a few people in her life; Niket, TIM, the contact on Ilium (LM), and in this case Jacob aswell. Those are basically the only people she's ever trusted, and she tells you this in her dialogue on her LM.

This is going to sound kind of dickish, and I don't intend it that way but I can't think of any other way to ask: what's your point?

[Volandrius]

My point, she doesn't have to mention anyone Male/Female in her life because she already listed off the only people she ever trusted in her LM. Showing you she never had any relation with another female.

I'm not against the idea becoming bi, atm I'm agreeing with Cloned because story-wise she already comes off as straight, and her background supports it, and her just suddenly becoming Bi doesn't make sense.

Modifié par Volandrius, 12 août 2011 - 06:34 .

[Melra]

Just because you don't trust someone, it doesn't mean that you cant' be attracted to them. There's no woman I'd trust with my wallet, but I still would perform the most beautiful act with them.

[Ieldra]

The Uncanny wrote...
I still think she'd be the ideal character for a post-ME3 spin off game.

You'll find I have posted this since....about a few weeks after ME2 came out. Miranda is an excellent character for her own game.

[BrandNewMan]

Just wanted to say that I love Yvonne, Chuck, and romanced Miranda in ME2. Don't really have anything to contribute, other than I hope her part in ME3 isn't minor.

[Volandrius]

Yes, but you kind of have to trust someone at least to go into a relationship with them.

Modifié par Volandrius, 12 août 2011 - 06:36 .

[Xilizhra]

Like, well, everyone in this game, Miranda has no solid indicators of what her sexual orientation is. You need not worry about her being bi being OOC, I believe.

[jtav]

I'd love to see her in her own game. Prequel would probably best.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
Considering they did everything but hang a flashing neon sign saying iPartners was for reproduction, that's thin evidence. I'm not arguing she is bisexual, I'm arguing she could plausibly be revealed so. The default shouldn't be heterosexual, it should be "unknown." And any relationship would be player initiated. We don't know how she would have reacted to FemShep's advances. Unlike Ash, Tali, and Jack, dialogue is identical for male and female unless you romance her. It would be trivially easy to make her a s/s option.

Actually, yes, the default should be heterosexual, because people are usually that. I'm not saying that Miranda can't plausibly be revealed as bi, but plainly, when I meet a random stranger on the street, I do assume heterosexual unless proven otherwise.

[Melra]

Volandrius wrote...

Yes, but you kind of have to trust someone at least to go into a relationship with them.

Not completely and trust can be lost, when the relationship is over.

[Xilizhra]

There is no "default" unless you specifically talk about the issue.

[The Uncanny]

jtav wrote...

I'd love to see her in her own game. Prequel would probably best.

Definitely. With Cerberus or even earlier?

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
I'd love to see her in her own game. Prequel would probably best.

Definitely. There are many possibilities - her escape from her father and a countless number of Cerberus operations, possibly she did some work for some other organization in-between, possibly including some science. She could be involved in preventing a galaxy-wise plot to come to fruition, which is the reason why nobody has ever heard of it after. And so on.

I'm starting a tabletop RPG adventure set in the ME universe next month where she'll make an appearance as an NPC, set back in 2166 right after she ran away from her father (my timeline of course).

[jtav]

Cerberus. She had to have had lots of cool missions.

[Skullheart]

What about a ME3 DLC featuring Miranda during her escape from her father,..