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[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

MisterJB wrote...

Tell Jack to ****** off, give Veetor, Legion and the Data to Cerberus, let her kill Niket, don't wake Grunt.

But I always let the Quarians take Veetor, I awake Legion. I don't let her kill Niket, and I wake Grunt.

I am a Paragon (with a few acceptions of Renegade interrupts) 

My actions are not good enough? What should I do now?

[MisterJB]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...
But I always let the Quarians take Veetor, I awake Legion. I don't let her kill Niket, and I wake Grunt.

I am a Paragon (with a few acceptions of Renegade interrupts) 

My actions are not good enough? What should I do now?

Jtav is making a Renegade that wants to please Miranda so this Shepard does whatever Miranda suggests him to.
Your Shepard is a Paragon who often challenges Miranda's ideas and values. That doesnt mean she can't be attracted to him.
Personally, a Paragade who calls her out on Cerberu's true nature is my favorite way of conducting the Romance.

Also, Jtav: Postpone the SM until the squad is ready and then don't send anyone to escort them. Give her commande over the Fire Team 1 (this goes without saying) and then let her create the Biotic Bubble.

Modifié par MisterJB, 19 juin 2011 - 07:55 .

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

I don't please Miri? Then how does the Romance work out for me then? 

I've ALWAYS been a Paragon. There has to be SOMETHING GOOD about me being Paragon between Miri and I.


Now I'm afraid that being a Paragon will result in consequenses in ME3, meaning bad things, like Miri not being in My Squad and the Romance not Continuing the way I hoped.:crying::crying::crying::crying:

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 19 juin 2011 - 08:11 .

[MisterJB]

Would you please stop overreacting about every single little thing? In case you have not noticed, Paragon or Renegade, it always ends with Miranda trying to extract a promise out of Shepard and both laying naked on the floor of the Engine Room.

[Ieldra]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...
I don't please Miri? Then how does the Romance work out for me then? 

There has to be SOMETHING GOOD about me being Paragon between Miri and I.

How does a Paragade work? Is that good Balnace? What actions should I do and Should NOT do to make a perfectly Balanced Personality?

IF I were to be a Paragade.....

Here's my take on it: don't make decisions by the fact they're Paragon or Renegade, but think about them for a minute and make them by what you think is most reasonable and what fits your Shepard best. You'll likely end up Paragade.

IMO "Paragade" means being Paragon when you can afford it and when it does not harm, and Renegade when big things hang in the balance and it is more important to get results than to be nice. Another way to make Renegade decisions is to decide where your Shepard just loses patience - I do that regularly at Tali's trial and take the Renegade option to get Tali exonerated. A third way: many minor decisions have Renegade options that aren't that bad, like convincing the security on the Citadel in the "False Positives" assignment or when dealing with Erinya on Illium.  

Just think about your Shepard and his attitudes a bit and you'll likely find a few things. IMO Miranda won't mind a Shepard who is diplomatic to most people, but she'd not respect someone who is too trusting, and one who avoids taking action when it's appropriate. A particurly appropriate example is the encounter with the false "Fade" at the start of Garrus' LM. When the volus says "shoot", you should take the Renegade interrupt instead of waiting for them to shoot first.

Edit:
I agree with MisterJB. There's no need for hyperbole. It's all in roleplaying, there's nothing in-game that prevents you from romancing Miranda except siding with Jack or not doing her LM. She'll like you anyway. It's only when considering her personality in a non-gameplay-affecting way that we come to certain conclusions about what she'd like and not. And there are bound to be disagreements in some decisions. Take your pick and play as you like.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 19 juin 2011 - 08:25 .

[Vertigo_1]

Don't mean to go OT but:
http://social.biowar...81354/2#7682958

"I can't remember quite off the top of my head... but I think Cerberus accounts for 40-ish percent?" [in ME3]

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 19 juin 2011 - 08:31 .

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

....<_<

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 19 juin 2011 - 08:33 .

[jtav]

Vertigo_1 wrote...

Don't mean to go OT but:
http://social.biowar...81354/2#7682958

"I can't remember quite off the top of my head... but I think Cerberus accounts for 40-ish percent?"

Okay, her chances of squad status just went way up.

[Vertigo_1]

jtav wrote...

Vertigo_1 wrote...

Don't mean to go OT but:
http://social.biowar...81354/2#7682958

"I can't remember quite off the top of my head... but I think Cerberus accounts for 40-ish percent?"

Okay, her chances of squad status just went way up.

Bingo, exaclty why I posted.
40% is a big chunk

[jtav]

General advice for RP-ing: come up with a character concept ("obsessively besotted with Miranda") and take actions that fit the concept.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Ieldra2 wrote...
Here's my take on it: don't make decisions by the fact they're Paragon or Renegade, but think about them for a minute and make them by what you think is most reasonable and what fits your Shepard best. You'll likely end up Paragade.

IMO "Paragade" means being Paragon when you can afford it and when it does not harm, and Renegade when big things hang in the balance and it is more important to get results than to be nice. Another way to make Renegade decisions is to decide where your Shepard just loses patience - I do that regularly at Tali's trial and take the Renegade option to get Tali exonerated. A third way: many minor decisions have Renegade options that aren't that bad, like convincing the security on the Citadel in the "False Positives" assignment or when dealing with Erinya on Illium.  

Just think about your Shepard and his attitudes a bit and you'll likely find a few things. IMO Miranda won't mind a Shepard who is diplomatic to most people, but she'd not respect someone who is too trusting, and one who avoids taking action when it's appropriate. A particurly appropriate example is the encounter with the false "Fade" at the start of Garrus' LM. When the volus says "shoot", you should take the Renegade interrupt instead of waiting for them to shoot first.

Edit:
I agree with MisterJB. There's no need for hyperbole. It's all in roleplaying, there's nothing in-game that prevents you from romancing Miranda except siding with Jack or not doing her LM. She'll like you anyway. It's only when considering her personality in a non-gameplay-affecting way that we come to certain conclusions about what she'd like and not. And there are bound to be disagreements in some decisions. Take your pick and play as you like.

I think I know what your talking about....not sure. Would it be like playing Bad cop instead of Good cop during Thane's LM? Or pushing that guy out the window during Thane's Recruitment mission? Or shooting that Asari instead of letting her go during Samara's Recruitment mission?

[MisterJB]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...
Or pushing that guy out the window during Thane's Recruitment mission? Or shooting that Asari instead of letting her go during Samara's Recruitment mission?

It's supossed to be pragmatic. A better example is letting the Alliance keep the corpse of Nirali Bathia but then do everything possible to save all of the Colonists on Feros.

Throwying that guy out of a window is neither pragmatic nor renegade, it's just being a d!ck. What you want from him is info, what is the point in killing him?

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

MisterJB wrote...

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...
Or pushing that guy out the window during Thane's Recruitment mission? Or shooting that Asari instead of letting her go during Samara's Recruitment mission?

It's supossed to be pragmatic. A better example is letting the Alliance keep the corpse of Nirali Bathia but then do everything possible to save all of the Colonists on Feros.

Throwying that guy out of a window is neither pragmatic nor renegade, it's just being a d!ck. What you want from him is info, what is the point in killing him?

Give me a better example for ME2 then. I feel like I'm nothing but a goody-two-shoes:unsure:


I ALWAYS break that guys neck at the beginning of Miri's LM. EVERY TIME!!!!

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 19 juin 2011 - 08:41 .

[MisterJB]

jtav wrote...

General advice for RP-ing: come up with a character concept ("obsessively besotted with Miranda") and take actions that fit the concept.

[Ieldra]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...
I think I know what your talking about....not sure. Would it be like playing Bad cop instead of Good cop during Thane's LM? Or pushing that guy out the window during Thane's Recruitment mission? Or shooting that Asari instead of letting her go during Samara's Recruitment mission?

Take whatever you can rationalize. Letting Elnora go is indeed an example of being too trusting, especially since you can conclude she's the murderer in advance: talk to Pitne For and he tells you that the Eclipse mercs of this group earn their uniform by killing someone, so Elnora - who is wearing an Ecplise uniform - is clearly lying when she says she has't killed.

The merc in the tower can go two ways: (1) You can say if you make a thread, you'd best follow through - and throw him out. (2) You can say you won't get information if he doesn't live, and take the Renegade conversation option that comes up if you don't throw him out. I usually take the latter because Shepard's line at the interrupt sounds needlessly callous. I think Miranda is no stranger to cruelty when it's needed, but she prefers other options when they exist, and she'd never be *needlessly* cruel.

As for Thane: he's the worst Bad Cop ever, so best take that part for yourself. If you have enough Renegade points to get the "I'm a Spectre. Talk" option (do this mission early), then that's perfect for you get fast results with intimidation but avoid torturing Kelham. Also don't torture Mouse, but use the intimidation option that comes up if you don't.

But again, it's your game. Think about what your decisions say about your Shepard's personality, and then think about what Miranda would think of that. Your results may differ from mine.

 

Modifié par Ieldra2, 19 juin 2011 - 08:51 .

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...

Vertigo_1 wrote...

Don't mean to go OT but:
http://social.biowar...81354/2#7682958

"I can't remember quite off the top of my head... but I think Cerberus accounts for 40-ish percent?"

Okay, her chances of squad status just went way up.

That's what I was thinking when I read this.

[MisterJB]

I guess I was the only one who expected Cerberus to be the new Blue Suns/Eclipse/Blood Pack.

[Ieldra]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...
I ALWAYS break that guys neck at the beginning of Miri's LM. EVERY TIME!!!!

That's an example of "taking appropriate and immediate action when facing an enemy". Not every Renegade interrupt is like that, but here are a few examples:
(1) Killing Cathca in Garrus' recruitment mission
(2) Shooting the false "Fade"'s bodyguards in Garrus' LM
(3) Taking out the verbose krogan with the Renegade interrupt in Mordin's LM
(4) Breaking the neck of that Eclispe merc and shooting the containers on Miranda's LM.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 19 juin 2011 - 08:56 .

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Ieldra2 wrote...
Take whatever you can rationalize. Letting Elnora go is indeed an example of being too trusting, especially since you can conclude she's the murderer in advance: talk to Pitne For and he tells you that the Eclipse mercs of this group earn their uniform by killing someone, so Elnora - who is wearing an Ecplise uniform - is clearly lying when she says she has't killed.

The merc in the tower can go two ways: (1) You can say if you make a thread, you'd best follow through - and throw him out. (2) You can say you won't get information if he doesn't live, and take the Renegade conversation option that comes up if you don't throw him out. I usually take the latter because Shepard's line at the interrupt sounds needlessly callous. I think Miranda is no stranger to cruelty when it's needed, but she prefers other options when they exist, and she'd never be *needlessly* cruel.

As for Thane: he's the worst Bad Cop ever, so best take that part for yourself. If you have enough Renegade points to get the "I'm a Spectre. Talk" option (do this mission early), then that's perfect for you get fast results with intimidation but avoid torturing Kelham. Also don't torture Mouse, but use the intimidation option that comes up if you don't.

But again, it's your game. Think about what your decisions say about your Shepard's personality, and then think about what Miranda would think of that. Your results may differ from mine.

 

I BARELY have any Renegade points. And I'm half way done wth the LM's.

If I were to be Paragade in My next Playthrough, then I have to be careful, I have to keep both Legion's and Tali's loyalty. No offence, but I tell jack to ****** off.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Ieldra2 wrote...

That's an example of "taking appropriate and immediate action when facing an enemy". Not every Renegade interrupt is like that, but here are a few examples:
(1) Killing Cathca in Garrus' recruitment mission
(2) Shooting the false "Fade"'s bodyguards in Garrus' LM
(3) Taking out the verbose krogan with the Renegade interrupt in Mordin's LM
(4) Breaking the neck of that Eclispe merc and shooting the containers on Miranda's LM.

I do ALL except for 2. I don't know why I don't do 2. But I will during my next playthrough.

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 19 juin 2011 - 09:01 .

[Rawke]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...
Or pushing that guy out the window during Thane's Recruitment mission? Or shooting that Asari instead of letting her go during Samara's Recruitment mission?

It's supossed to be pragmatic. A better example is letting the Alliance keep the corpse of Nirali Bathia but then do everything possible to save all of the Colonists on Feros.

Throwying that guy out of a window is neither pragmatic nor renegade, it's just being a d!ck. What you want from him is info, what is the point in killing him?

Give me a better example for ME2 then. I feel like I'm nothing but a goody-two-shoes:unsure:


I ALWAYS break that guys neck at the beginning of Miri's LM. EVERY TIME!!!!

Which is smart since you have to fight less enemies and take out their commander. The shocked Salarian is the only merc I ever felt sorry for in ME2.

[MisterJB]

I always find it hard to kill Elnora, she's just a teenager stupid enough to join a merc group.

Modifié par MisterJB, 19 juin 2011 - 09:08 .

[Ieldra]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...
I BARELY have any Renegade points. And I'm half way done wth the LM's.

If I may point to my Mass Effect 2 Persuasion Guide. It'll show you how to make a Shepard who can make almost all P/R decisions in the game. You'll have to plan a bit though.

Also, I often cheat with P/R points (use Gibbed's to give myself some points). I find the railroading into one side contrived and want to take the occasional neutral option (with no points rewarded usually) without being punished for playing an intelligent Shepard who doesn't jump to decisions.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 19 juin 2011 - 09:12 .

[jtav]

It's worth noting that I'm telling a fairly dark story with this game. Wuthering Heights is my mode; here. "If all else perished and [she] remained, I should still continue to be." Shepard's obsession gets people killed. And those feelings are unrequited (FemShep), which makes it that much worse. A Paragon would be much healthier.

[jeweledleah]

MisterJB wrote...

I always find it hard to kill Elnora, she's just a teenager stupid enough to join a merc group.

she's actualy a murderer   and she does pull a gun on you.  I used to have trouble with shooting her, now I have trouble with sparing her - and I usualy play paragon O_O