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[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Yvonne is one of the main pieces of the puzzle (I'm not saying that Miri is a puzzle set lol). Without her, Miri cannot be complete.

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 14 août 2011 - 07:44 .

[Vertigo_1]

Yannkee wrote...

Vertigo_1 wrote...

BUT I'm 90% sure she will be back to do VO for Miranda.

The 10% still worry me, but I trust Bioware would not make this mistake.

I'm basing it on the tweet that most of the VA's are back especially for LI's, aside from that yeah that's what the 10% is (he didn't say all VA LI's).

[Melra]

ViSeirA wrote...

Melrache wrote...

ViSeirA wrote...

Yannkee wrote...

ViSeirA wrote...

I'll have to agree with jtav on this, I love Yvonne as Miranda's VA but I'd have loved Scarlett Johansson or Emmanuelle Vaugier just the same, point is Miranda is her own character mostly because of the way the writers' made her character not just because she's modeled and voiced by Yvonne.

We never said that her voice and her face is the only thing that define her character.

But the fact is we don't consider that Miranda is the same character if they change the VA.

Sorry, you just contradicted yourself ... maybe it's not the only thing defining her character to you but it sure sounds like the most prominent trait, considering you said if they changed her VA it'll be like she's not in the game.

I'd like it very much if Yvonne is still her VA (let's face it, she most likely is) but if it ever changed she'd still be Miranda to me, I never consider a character a good one in mediums like Anime or Games if it's too dependent on its VA, fortunately for me Miranda is not, at least that's how I see it.

No he didn't. Face and voice are part of the package that makes Miri, if the package isn't complete, then it's not Miri.

And that'd be true if it was a movie.

Example: I won't watch the new Transformers movie, why? because Megan Fox is not in it, I'm no fan by any means but changing a central character like hers breaks the movie for me.

In the game I don't think Miranda is Yvonne or vice versa, making the distinction between the character and its VA is important, the character != its VA by any means even it went as far as being modeled after him/her.

That way of thinking, I will never be able to understand, maybe I could've back in the day when the graphics were horrible and more details were added onto characters as the new sequels came out with updated engines, but not anymore.

[Vertigo_1]

Seboist wrote...

Arppis wrote...

I hope they will do a proper face for her this time around.

Yeah, they didn't do as great a job of face scanning her in ME2 like they did with Sheploo.

Not sure they have to do a full rescan (would be nice)
I mean Yannkee did say something about Mirandas bump map texture bugging out under certain lighting conditions, they could fix that and the lighting (which they already are)

[The Elder King]

Thankfully I don't care lot about VA because I play the Italian version of the ME games. I survived the horrible change of VA for maleshep from ME to ME2 (though I really hope that ME's male shep VA will be in ME3). I doubt that something could be worse than that.

[ViSeiRa]

Yannkee wrote...

ViSeirA wrote...

Sorry, you just contradicted yourself ... maybe it's not the only thing defining her character to you but it sure sounds like the most prominent trait, considering you said if they changed her VA it'll be like she's not in the game.

No, I'm not.
I never said it's the most prominent trait. To me, it's one of the trait that define her character.

Let me rephrase, it's one of the character-breaking traits to you, no? it seems to me you're more attached to the voice actor than the character itself, and that's not necessarily a wrong thing, I loved Leliana in DA because of her VA but once you get to love the character itself the VA becomes a bonus unless you keep loving the character because of its VA then the writers failed to make the character more interesting beyond the actor they're voiced by and/or modeled after, which isn't true when it comes to Miri.

[Asakawa]

Well,
if i can make one subtle comparison, is when i go to the theaters. I hate watching the dub version for the first time. And some movies here don't even get the subtitles version. So let's put it simply that i'm a bluray fan.

Anyway, what i mean is that the original plan is based on who the actors are and how they are. Even if that goes to cartoons. Simple example, Alladin. No matter how good the other language VA is or how talented, no one will NEVER be as good as Robin Williams when it comes to playing the Genie. The part was made for him. His criativity and main traits are in that character.

Most dubs kill many of those simply yet wonderful details that make the movie/the series/the game even greater when you figure out the bigger picture.

Miranda without Yvonne will be Miranda, sure. The script is all there, the actress might do a helluva job (let's hope she does if that ever happens! The character deserves it). But it won't be Miranda completely.

Modifié par Asakawa, 14 août 2011 - 08:00 .

[Caihn]

ViSeirA wrote...
In the game I don't think Miranda is Yvonne or vice versa, making the distinction between the character and its VA is important, the character != its VA by any means even it went as far as being modeled after him/her.

What ? When did I say that Yvonne is Miranda ? I know the difference between a character and an actor.

I said that Miranda character was defined by many things, including her voice and her looks. If they remove on e of these elements, I will consider her character not the same. That's all.

You're right to disagree, but don't try to make me say things I never said.

[Caihn]

ViSeirA wrote...

Yannkee wrote...

ViSeirA wrote...

Sorry, you just contradicted yourself ... maybe it's not the only thing defining her character to you but it sure sounds like the most prominent trait, considering you said if they changed her VA it'll be like she's not in the game.

No, I'm not.
I never said it's the most prominent trait. To me, it's one of the trait that define her character.

Let me rephrase, it's one of the character-breaking traits to you, no? it seems to me you're more attached to the voice actor than the character itself, and that's not necessarily a wrong thing, I loved Leliana in DA because of her VA but once you get to love the character itself the VA becomes a bonus unless you keep loving the character because of its VA then the writers failed to make the character more interesting beyond the actor they're voiced by and/or modeled after, which isn't true when it comes to Miri.

No I'm not. How many times I will have to say it ?
It's ONE OF THE TRAIT.

I think I posted enough times in this forums the reasons why I like Miranda. And I never said that her VA was the only reason or the most important thing about the character.

Modifié par Yannkee, 14 août 2011 - 08:02 .

[ViSeiRa]

Yannkee wrote...

ViSeirA wrote...
In the game I don't think Miranda is Yvonne or vice versa, making the distinction between the character and its VA is important, the character != its VA by any means even it went as far as being modeled after him/her.

What ? When did I say that Yvonne is Miranda ? I know the difference between a character and an actor.

I said that Miranda character was defined by many things, including her voice and her looks. If they remove on e of these elements, I will consider her character not the same. That's all.

You're right to disagree, but don't try to make me say things I never said.

You said "it will be like if Miranda is not in the game", maybe I read too much into it but it didn't leave much room for interpretation.

[Ieldra]

There have been people in this thread who said "Yvonne is Miranda". And there are people who haven't said it, but who convey the impression that they would were they completely honest.

I find that a little creepy.

But I think you all worry about nothing. It's certainly not worth several pages of agonizing at this point if you ask me.

[Vertigo_1]

Asakawa wrote...

Well, if i can make one subtle comparison, is when i go to the theaters. I hate watching the dub version for the first time. And some movies here don't even get the subtitles version. So let's put it simply that i'm a bluray fan.

Anyway, what i mean is that the original plan is based on who the actors are and how they are. Even if that goes to cartoons. Simple example, Alladin. No matter how good the other language VA is or how talented, no one will NEVER be as good as Robin Williams when it comes to playing the Genie. The part was made for him. His criativity and main traits are in that character.

Most dubs kill many of those simply yet wonderful details that make the movie/the series/the game even greater when you figure out the bigger picture.

Miranda without Yvonne will be Miranda, sure. The script is all there, the actress might do a helluva job (let's hope she does if that ever happens! The character deserves it). But it won't be Miranda completely.

I was goig to write something but I think this sums it up nicely.

[Caihn]

ViSeirA wrote...

Yannkee wrote...

ViSeirA wrote...
In the game I don't think Miranda is Yvonne or vice versa, making the distinction between the character and its VA is important, the character != its VA by any means even it went as far as being modeled after him/her.

What ? When did I say that Yvonne is Miranda ? I know the difference between a character and an actor.

I said that Miranda character was defined by many things, including her voice and her looks. If they remove on e of these elements, I will consider her character not the same. That's all.

You're right to disagree, but don't try to make me say things I never said.

You said "it will be like if Miranda is not in the game", maybe I read too much into it but it didn't leave much room for interpretation.

Yes, if I consider that Miranda is not the same character, it means that she won't be in the game to me.
It doesn't means that I consider her VA more important that other traits that define her character. To me, there are also character breaking traits other than her voice or her looks.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...

strive wrote...

Why? The ends justify the means since Shepard is the best chance to stop the Reapers. I think most rational players would realize that a messy chance is still better than no chance. I find the idea of her understanding and applying Reaper tech that fast to an unheralded experiment incredible.

You forget the significant chunk of people who think anything Reaoer-related is evil by default. I think it may have been stupid, depending on exact circumstances but not evil, and I won't resent her. But there will be knee-jerk hatred.

You know....it may be overly cynic, but I wouldn't mind those with a knee-jerk reaction to the oh-so-evil Reaper technology in Shepard to turn away from Miranda. She could do without people who can't think straight.

I agree that it might have been incredibly risky, but perhaps it was the only way to bring Shepard back. Also, in this scenario the idea of a control chip for emergency situations makes a great deal of sense.

[Melra]

Ieldra2 wrote...

There have been people in this thread who said "Yvonne is Miranda". And there are people who haven't said it, but who convey the impression that they would were they completely honest.

I find that a little creepy.

But I think you all worry about nothing. It's certainly not worth several pages of agonizing at this point if you ask me.

But fearing that she'll be turned into ''damsel in distress'' is worth it? 

And you seem to be the ony who doesn't see the difference here. I have seen only one person claim that Miranda = Yvonne. There's more to either of them than just their looks and voice.

In other games, the change for Sarah Kerrigan's VA in Starcraft did change the character for me, into something else. Only way it seemed atleast a bit acceptable for me was, because I had only seen the first game, not played and because the graphics and so much time had already passed.

In ME it wouldn't work in my opinion and saying, that it's creepy is just outright rude. We can make this thread a nice place to chat in, or we can make it the worst place possible. I am perfectly fine with both.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

There is only one who can be Miri.

[ViSeiRa]

Ieldra2 wrote...

jtav wrote...

strive wrote...

Why? The ends justify the means since Shepard is the best chance to stop the Reapers. I think most rational players would realize that a messy chance is still better than no chance. I find the idea of her understanding and applying Reaper tech that fast to an unheralded experiment incredible.

You forget the significant chunk of people who think anything Reaoer-related is evil by default. I think it may have been stupid, depending on exact circumstances but not evil, and I won't resent her. But there will be knee-jerk hatred.

You know....it may be overly cynic, but I wouldn't mind those with a knee-jerk reaction to the oh-so-evil Reaper technology in Shepard to turn away from Miranda. She could do without people who can't think straight.

I agree that it might have been incredibly risky, but perhaps it was the only way to bring Shepard back. Also, in this scenario the idea of a control chip for emergency situations makes a great deal of sense.

I believe no technology is inherently evil, and any tech can be beneficial depending on the application... so I wouldn't put it past Miranda to have used reaper tech to rebuild Shepard, it'd certainly make for an interesting subplot in ME3.

[jtav]

Ieldra, I agree with you. I'd love to see her defiant and defending her choices even as she works to prevent Shep from being indoctrinated. That would be the Miranda I fell for.

[Sebby]

For some reason I can't see Yvonne's face when looking at Miranda, they just have a vague similarity.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Miri is voiced by and modeled after Yvonne. BioWare did an Amazing Job IMHO.

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 14 août 2011 - 08:30 .

[goofyomnivore]

As for the VA/Yvonne topic:

I think Yvonne does really good at times, and did an overall good job at voicing Miranda considering it was her first VA gig. If Miranda got a new VA it would be weird considering Miranda is modeled after Yvonne and she was the first VA. If they wrote her character and story good, I could probably get over it if they had a new VA, but it would still be odd. I will say Yvonne's accent is awesome and one of the more appealing parts of Miranda to me. I don't think a new VA could ruin her character for me, but it would bug me. Yvonne is the ideal choice for me. I kind of wish they didn't model Miranda after her, Yvonne is a babe don't get me wrong, but that scan doesn't do her any justice.

[Ieldra]

Melrache wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

There have been people in this thread who said "Yvonne is Miranda". And there are people who haven't said it, but who convey the impression that they would were they completely honest.

I find that a little creepy.

But I think you all worry about nothing. It's certainly not worth several pages of agonizing at this point if you ask me.

But fearing that she'll be turned into ''damsel in distress'' is worth it? 

And you seem to be the ony who doesn't see the difference here. I have seen only one person claim that Miranda = Yvonne. There's more to either of them than just their looks and voice.

In other games, the change for Sarah Kerrigan's VA in Starcraft did change the character for me, into something else. Only way it seemed atleast a bit acceptable for me was, because I had only seen the first game, not played and because the graphics and so much time had already passed.

In ME it wouldn't work in my opinion and saying, that it's creepy is just outright rude. We can make this thread a nice place to chat in, or we can make it the worst place possible. I am perfectly fine with both.

Oh my, don't be so damned oversensitive. I was speaking of thinking or feeling that "Yvonne is Miranda" when I said that. I certainly agree that the change would be jarring and I can see it wouldn't work for everyone.

But yeah, I'll shut up about it if it makes you feel better. It's not important enough for me to start a flame war over.

[Sebby]

One of the big reasons why I bring Miranda into battle(and Zaeed) with my Shepard is to hear that awesome accent.

[Vertigo_1]

Some people wouldn't mind a change in VA and some would mind it a lot, leave it at that.
Calling people opinions creepy and then having it snowball from there (the whole "we can have a nice thread or the worst possible thread") isn't appropriate............

Unless you want this thread to get locked?

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 14 août 2011 - 08:37 .

[Ieldra]

Seboist wrote...
One of the big reasons why I bring Miranda into battle(and Zaeed) with my Shepard is to hear that awesome accent.

That one accent pretty much sounds like the next one for me - as long as it isn't extreme - is likely one reason why the passion over this topic escapes me...