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[MisterJB]

stysiaq wrote...
That's the thing. The location is not unknown at all. When you start ME2 Miranda is talking with TIM and is there. She knows, where TIM has his station. Unless she flew there with a bag on her head. I know, that space travel is a different kind of transportation and Joker could tell Shepard that they just flew pass the CB while being still in the local cluster, but Miranda is presented as a very clever and trusted Cerberus operative (trusted enough to let her see TIM in person! ) so I don't suppose she does not posess the intel.

Mass Effect: Retribution explains that whenever a Cerberus operative is allowed to meet TIM in person, he has the space station relocated to a different sistem afterwards.
Sadly, it won't be that easy to dispose of TIM.

Modifié par MisterJB, 15 août 2011 - 11:13 .

[Sebby]

MisterJB wrote...

stysiaq wrote...
That's the thing. The location is not unknown at all. When you start ME2 Miranda is talking with TIM and is there. She knows, where TIM has his station. Unless she flew there with a bag on her head. I know, that space travel is a different kind of transportation and Joker could tell Shepard that they just flew pass the CB while being still in the local cluster, but Miranda is presented as a very clever and trusted Cerberus operative (trusted enough to let her see TIM in person! ) so I don't suppose she does not posess the intel.

Mass Effect: Retribution explains that whenever a Cerberus operative is allowed to meet TIM in person, he has the space station relocated to a different sistem afterwards.
Sadly, it won't be that easy to dispose of TIM.

That's a good thing.

[Prudii Aden]

Ieldra2 wrote...
Accents can carry stereotypes. Can you imagine Miranda speaking, well, British English (I won't call that an accent because it's the original)? It think she would be perceived in a subtly different way, and some people might be put off, others more attracted.

Indeed - how many bad guys in Hollywood films have been played by actors with British/English accents? You put in someone with a British accent and automatically the inference is that they're a bad guy. It's managed to get it's own trope evil Brit...

[ParadoxAu]

Yannkee wrote...
In Chuck her character is not supposed to be Australian.
In Mass Effect, we only know that Miranda grew up on Earth, but not where exactly. So her accent is not a problem, and those who recognize it can suppose that she spent her childhood in Australia.

I agree that some characters do require a specific heritage, however it seems that writers assume that every character must start with a default american heritage. There's plenty of characters in film, television & games that would have been just as interesting with an alternate heritage.

Now that you mentioned it, I'm quite interested in how Bioware will deal with Earth. Theoretically, Continents could have slightly altered shapes due to tectonic shifts, although it's far more likely that we'll just see Reapers destroying iconic landscapes. (I can always hope that Australia is included in that, Unlikely though)

Modifié par ParadoxAu, 15 août 2011 - 11:39 .

[Caihn]

I find her voice far more appealing with her accent, so I'm glad she kept it for the game.

[Caihn]

ParadoxAu wrote...

Now that you mentioned it, I'm quite interested in how Bioware will deal with Earth. Theoretically, Continents could have slightly altered shapes due to tectonic shifts, although it's far more likely that we'll just see Reapers destroying iconic landscapes. (I can always hope that Australia is included in that, Unlikely though)

Not in 150 years.
There won't significant changes during a so short period.

Modifié par Yannkee, 15 août 2011 - 11:44 .

[ParadoxAu]

Yannkee wrote...

ParadoxAu wrote...
Now that you mentioned it, I'm quite interested in how Bioware will deal with Earth. Theoretically, Continents could have slightly altered shapes due to tectonic shifts, although it's far more likely that we'll just see Reapers destroying iconic landscapes. (I can always hope that Australia is included in that, Unlikely though)

Not in 150 years.
There won't significant changes during a so short period.

I did say slightly.

Modifié par ParadoxAu, 15 août 2011 - 11:50 .

[Caihn]

ParadoxAu wrote...

Yannkee wrote...

ParadoxAu wrote...
Now that you mentioned it, I'm quite interested in how Bioware will deal with Earth. Theoretically, Continents could have slightly altered shapes due to tectonic shifts, although it's far more likely that we'll just see Reapers destroying iconic landscapes. (I can always hope that Australia is included in that, Unlikely though)

Not in 150 years.
There won't significant changes during a so short period.

I did say slightly

Yes, but you won't be able to see the difference on the scale of continents. I think the rising sea level will have a greater impact than the tectonic shifts.

Anyway I don't think they considered this, as you can see the south of Europe is the same :

Modifié par Yannkee, 15 août 2011 - 11:53 .

[ParadoxAu]

Yannkee wrote...
Yes, but you won't be able to see the difference on the scale of continents. I think the rising sea level will have a greater impact than the tectonic shifts.

True, such small changes would only be noticable after significant analysis.

Getting back on topic, How do you think Miranda would react if she discovered the Illusive Man has an army of Lawson Clones?

Gamescom soon, Hope everyone attending has fun.

Modifié par ParadoxAu, 15 août 2011 - 12:31 .

[ISpeakTheTruth]

I know how I'd react if TIM had an army of Lawson Clones.... I'd say lame.

Maybe its the Star Wars movies ruined the idea of evil clones for me forever.

[Ieldra]

ParadoxAu wrote...
Gamescom soon, Hope everyone attending has fun.

Note that GamesCom starts on Wednesday, but the first day is not open to the public. Nobody will be able to report anything, unless they're working for the press or TV or for the gaming industry.

As for the idea of Miranda clones, that would be the "prerogative" of Miranda's father. Apart from that, in spite of the possible squick factor making clones is not evil, nor are the clones themselves. There's already far too much squick-driven pseudo-morality in Mass Effect, we don't need more of it.
 

[jtav]

I'd wondered if the ninja girls might be force-grown clones of Miranda.

And I'm a heretic, too. only importing one romance game. I have discovered the joys of the Renegade path.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
I'd wondered if the ninja girls might be force-grown clones of Miranda.

I doubt we'll ever see their faces. They're much more effective as Faceless Goons.

And I'm a heretic, too. only importing one romance game. I have discovered the joys of the Renegade path.

Isn't it strange that it took us both so long to realize how much more fitting the Renegade romance is for Miranda as we envision her? I've played it that way several times, but the pattern escaped me.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 15 août 2011 - 03:51 .

[Dr. Doctor]

Creating a clone army seems like it would be rather expensive in the ME universe. Considering that it took about four billion credits to bring Shepard back from the dead it would be logical to assume that creating clones from scratch would be even more difficult.

On that point I could see a Miranda who stayed with Cerberus feeling even more like the Illusive Man's pawn than before, whereas before she was considered to be an important asset to the organization the clones make her dispensable. I imagine that whatever tech that was used to restore Shepard's memories and training could be used on the clones. Lose one of your best agents on a mission? No problem just make another clone and reinstall that agent's personality.

[Xilizhra]

Isn't it strange that it took us both so long to realize how much more fitting the Renegade romance is for Miranda as we envision her? I've played it that way several times, but the pattern escaped me.

Why is this?

[Ieldra]

Dr. Doctor wrote...
Creating a clone army seems like it would be rather expensive in the ME universe. Considering that it took about four billion credits to bring Shepard back from the dead it would be logical to assume that creating clones from scratch would be even more difficult.

Creating a clone is easy - as evidenced by Okeer's research. It was restoring Shepard with his/her personality intact that was hard. Once you can create imprints from the original's mind things should be easier - assuming that imprinting technology for humans exists.

On that point I could see a Miranda who stayed with Cerberus feeling even more like the Illusive Man's pawn than before, whereas before she was considered to be an important asset to the organization the clones make her dispensable. I imagine that whatever tech that was used to restore Shepard's memories and training could be used on the clones. Lose one of your best agents on a mission? No problem just make another clone and reinstall that agent's personality.

Yes, that's why I hope there won't be any Miranda clones. 

[Ieldra]

Xilizhra wrote...

Isn't it strange that it took us both so long to realize how much more fitting the Renegade romance is for Miranda as we envision her? I've played it that way several times, but the pattern escaped me.

Why is this?

Why the pattern escaped me? No idea... I just didn't think of it.

[Melra]

Xilizhra wrote...

Isn't it strange that it took us both so long to realize how much more fitting the Renegade romance is for Miranda as we envision her? I've played it that way several times, but the pattern escaped me.

Why is this?

Eh... Fitting and fitting, I don't really know why it would be in anyway more than Paragade/Paragon route, but I think I don't even want to know the reasoning behind this. I'd just disagree anyway.

[jtav]

Indeed Ieldra.Her depression/self-loathing/discomfort with her origins is much less in evidence. Reading the dialogue, it certainly sounds more equal, like she's willing to own her accomplishments to answer the challenge he brings. It helps that Alex is insecure himself. He's modified Earthborn, still not quite believing he doesn't have to worry how he'll eat. Women like Miranda don't end up with men like him. They might slum for a bit--rough around the edges soldiers are exciting--but there's no future there. But he can't help but love her, despite the fact that he knows how it'll end.

[jtav]

As for why I prefer the Renegade path, perhaps the difference can be summed up in two lines. "I don't have what you have" vs. "I do damned good work. Renegade Miranda is prouder of her gifts and puts herself down less often. Paragonning Miranda emphasizes what she has in common with others. Renegading her emphasizes what sets her apart. As someone who actively fears Miranda becoming something like the heroine of certain romance novels who discovers what she really wants isn't her high-powered career, but a husband and baby, I'm picking Renegade.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

AstronautN7 wrote...

again for those post/discussions a couple of pages back on Mirandas VA:

I asked Casey Hudson at Comic Con if Yvonne Strahovski will be back in ME3 and he said "Yes she'll be back."

YAY!!!! 

[MisterJB]

jtav wrote...

As for why I prefer the Renegade path, perhaps the difference can be summed up in two lines. "I don't have what you have" vs. "I do damned good work.

That's an unfair comparision. The Renegade path also has a version of "I don't have what you do-that fire that makes someone willing to follow you into Hell itself"


"Miranda: And you've done more than I could. Despite everything my father did to make me perfect, you're... you're the best humanity has to offer."

Miranda putting herself down in favor of Shepard is her default state of mind in this particular conversation. It's not exclusive to the Paragon path.

Renegade Miranda is prouder of her gifts and puts herself down less often. Paragonning Miranda emphasizes what she has in common with others. Renegading her emphasizes what sets her apart.

I will admit that there is an instance where Paragon Shepard does what you say but that happens during her LM.
"Shepard: Even with all your upgrades, you're human just like the rest of us."

However, in the conversation you quoted above, the Paragon path is about expressing admiration and encouraging Miranda to take pride in her accomplishments.

AstronautN7 wrote...
I asked Casey Hudson at Comic Con if Yvonne Strahovski will be back in ME3 and he said "Yes she'll be back."

Are you the person who asked if popular VAs like Yvonne Strahovski and Seth Green would be back when Hudson was on stage?

Modifié par MisterJB, 15 août 2011 - 07:05 .

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

MisterJB wrote...

jtav wrote...

As for why I prefer the Renegade path, perhaps the difference can be summed up in two lines. "I don't have what you have" vs. "I do damned good work.

That's an unfair comparision. The Renegade path also has a version of [i]"I don't have what you do-that fire that makes someone willing to follow you into Hell itself"


"Miranda: And you've done more than I could. Despite everything my father did to make me perfect, you're... you're the best humanity has to offer."

When Miri says "I don't have what you do-that fire that makes someone willing to follow you into Hell itself," That was when you tell her, "The best thing he did was to put you on my squad," Which is Paragon.

"What, you disapprove?" is the Renegade that makes her say something else.


Paragon: Shep: "The best thing he did was to put you on my Squad."

Miri: "You would've done fine without me. I may not have believed it before, but I don't have what you do-that fire that makes someone willing to follow you into Hell itself....

....my father gave me the best genes money can buy. Guess it wasn't enough."

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 15 août 2011 - 07:09 .

[MisterJB]

edit: Misread what 101 was trying to say.

Modifié par MisterJB, 15 août 2011 - 07:25 .

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

MisterJB wrote...

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...
When Miri says "I don't have what you do-that fire that makes someone willing to follow you into Hell itself," That was when you tell her, "The best thing he did was to put you on my squad," Which is Paragon.
"What, you disapprove?" is the Renegade that makes her say something else.

Incorrect. It's after Miri says: "And they've given you even more. A new life, a new ship, the Illusive Man's personal attention..."

That you can choose between the two lines you mentioned. And it's those lines that determine wether you hear this:

"I don't have what you do -- that fire that makes someone willing to follow you into hell itself."

Or this:

"And you've done more than I could. Despite everything my father did to make me perfect, you're... you're the best humanity has to offer."

"And they've given you even more. A new life, a new ship, the Illusive Man's personal attention..."

Yes I know. Then the Paragon option is: "The best thing he did was to put you on my squad."

Then Miri says: "You would've done fine without me. I may not have believed it before, but I don't have what you do-that fire that makes someone willing to follow you into Hell itself....

....my father gave me the best genes money can buy. Guess it wasn't enough."

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