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[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Ah I thought so. Still nothing. Is there any gaming event after Gamescom?

[Caihn]

PAX in one week I think.

[enayasoul]

They did talk about where the characters have been since ME2... or what they were up to. I think that's good, I just hope Miranda and Shepard didn't go off separately. You know? The whole Arrival dlc on board Normandy looked very, very empty.

I love Miranda's wink.  What a great picture! 

Modifié par enayasoul, 18 août 2011 - 06:44 .

[OzzyMcRcky]

Honest to god, if Miranda isn't a main squad member I am going to do a total vader turn. I'm going renegade and destroying the galaxy. People won't be fearing the reapers, they'll be fearing Shepard !

[ViSeiRa]

Yannkee wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

If you're talking about the CB again, Yannkee, there is no character development foreshadowing that flip-flop. That's exactly the issue here. The problem is not Cerberus and Miranda's attitude to them, but a sudden switch from the pragmatic to the sentimental. I would have less of an issue with it had she say something like "I don't trust the Illusive Man any more to use it right".

For you maybe, not for me.

And no I don't need that she says something like that to understand why she acted like she did.

You know she never left the Normandy during the entirety of ME2 unless on missions right? and she didn't encounter any situation to make her suspect or distrust TIM, on Paragia it was revealed to be a nearly rogue cell, on the Collector ship TIM admitted to setting them up so the collector's don't get a hint about their plans, that's the same Miranda who said "He's no saint and he'd be the first to admit it" about TIM.

Sorry, but no matter how you try to justify it to yourself there was no indication, explicit or otherwise that Miranda has changed drastically to make such decision, and yes the change has to be drastic in order for her to reach such conclusion.

[jtav]

Well, there was an EA exec mentioning Miranda by name: "so in Mass Effect you control a party, typically three and you typically play Commander Shepard and then you have Miranda and the other characters" when talking about Kinect.

[Caihn]

OzzyMcRcky wrote...

Honest to god, if Miranda isn't a main squad member I am going to do a total vader turn. I'm going renegade and destroying the galaxy. People won't be fearing the reapers, they'll be fearing Shepard !

I think this is appropriate :




I confirmed PAX in one week : http://prime.paxsite.com/index.php

[OzzyMcRcky]

Honest to god, if Miranda isn't a main squad member I am going to do a total vader turn. I'm going renegade and destroying the galaxy. People won't be fearing the reapers, they'll be fearing Shepard !

[Melra]

ViSeirA wrote...

Yannkee wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

If you're talking about the CB again, Yannkee, there is no character development foreshadowing that flip-flop. That's exactly the issue here. The problem is not Cerberus and Miranda's attitude to them, but a sudden switch from the pragmatic to the sentimental. I would have less of an issue with it had she say something like "I don't trust the Illusive Man any more to use it right".

For you maybe, not for me.

And no I don't need that she says something like that to understand why she acted like she did.

You know she never left the Normandy during the entirety of ME2 unless on missions right? and she didn't encounter any situation to make her suspect or distrust TIM, on Paragia it was revealed to be a nearly rogue cell, on the Collector ship TIM admitted to setting them up so the collector's don't get a hint about their plans, that's the same Miranda who said "He's no saint and he'd be the first to admit it" about TIM.

Sorry, but no matter how you try to justify it to yourself there was no indication, explicit or otherwise that Miranda has changed drastically to make such decision, and yes the change has to be drastic in order for her to reach such conclusion.

Well sorry, but there's no way to agree with your opinion, so no point trying. I see it differently, you see it your way not that I care about it that much. My opinions stands.

[MegaBadExample]

Why would Miranda stick around for Shepard's trial? I imagine the Alliance wants her head too, ex-Cerberus or not.

Not that they'd ever catch her

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Yannkee wrote...

PAX in one week I think.

PAX? Never heard of it. Is it similar to E3/Gamescom? 

[Caihn]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

Yannkee wrote...

PAX in one week I think.

PAX? Never heard of it. Is it similar to E3/Gamescom? 

http://prime.paxsite.com/index.php

[flemm]

Sorry, but no matter how you try to justify it to yourself there was no indication, explicit or otherwise that Miranda has changed drastically to make such decision, and yes the change has to be drastic in order for her to reach such conclusion.

It's not really an issue of trusting TIM or not, but simply of her making a choice based on her own judgment rather than following him blindly (which, as you indicate, has never been the case).

Clearly Miranda is pragmatic, but only to a point. Her loyalty mission involves her making a decidely unpragmatic committment to her sister, for example. Re: Jack, Miranda clearly doesn't like the idea of Cerberus being associated with those experiments (it wasn't Cerberus, not really). In conversation with Shephard (Paragon options, I believe), she admits to tragic mistakes made by Cerberus in the past, etc.

Modifié par flemm, 18 août 2011 - 06:53 .

[enayasoul]

And if Miranda tried to stop Shepard what do you think that outcome would be like? Miranda would be DEAD or at the very least held down so she couldn't stop Shepard from blowing up the base. I blew it up because I don't trust the son of **** TIM. He used it regardless of our decision from the latest comic. Sorry if that's a spoiler. :-/ I think of it like this. Miranda's not stupid to try and stop Shepard if that's what had to be done.

Miranda says she will follow his orders unless he tries to betray the Illusive man or what Cerberus stood for. The Illusive man was just being GREEDY. That never comes to any good.

Just my opinion on the matter.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Yannkee wrote...

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

Yannkee wrote...

PAX in one week I think.

PAX? Never heard of it. Is it similar to E3/Gamescom? 

http://prime.paxsite.com/index.php

I just saved this link. Though I hope I'm able to see this event. I'm attending school again.

[Ieldra]

flemm wrote...
An important point is that this choice sets Miranda up as an ally to Shepard re: Cerberus for ME3 no matter what the player chooses.

Definitely. And I don't think there is much disagreement about that Miranda will likely not be Cerberus in ME3 no matter what. The big fight is more about her personality - those who don't want sentimentality to infringe on Miranda's professional decisions, and those who don't mind it or even want more of it. For me, a Miranda who does this regularly would be plainly anathema, a character who can't be a competent operative any more because competent operatives can't afford such things. I say keep the emotional stuff to the personal domain - when it's about Oriana or her father, or about the romance. Certainly there are enough aspects in Miranda's life for her not become one-sided even if the emotional is kept out of missions impacting the big picture.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

More Miri pics. This screenshot is mine btw.

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 18 août 2011 - 06:56 .

[Caihn]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

Yannkee wrote...

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

Yannkee wrote...

PAX in one week I think.

PAX? Never heard of it. Is it similar to E3/Gamescom? 

http://prime.paxsite.com/index.php

I just saved this link. Though I hope I'm able to see this event. I'm attending school again.

Maybe you won't be able to watch live events, but the videos can be watched after on the Bioware TV site.

Anyway, I don't think we'll have informations on Miranda during this event either.
Personally I don't expect something before the end of the year.

[flemm]

The big fight is more about her personality - those who don't want sentimentality to infringe on Miranda's professional decisions, and those who don't mind it or even want more of it. For me, a Miranda who does this regularly would be plainly anathema, a character who can't be a competent operative any more because competent operatives can't afford such things.

Well, I think your view is based on a number of different assumptions, all of which are potentially valid, but all of which are open to debate and differing views. Being a "competent operative" is good and all, but limiting as a defining character trait.

For example, you're suggesting that the choice is between sentiment and pragmatism, but I see nothing to suggest that Miranda's decision to destroy the base is based on emotion. She is not flustered in the slightest, clearly not afraid, sad or overwhelmed by the situation in the slightest.

The decision is not emotional, it seems to be primarily moral, philosophical or ethical, something along those lines. Big difference.

Modifié par flemm, 18 août 2011 - 07:11 .

[Caihn]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

More Miri pics. This screenshot is mine btw.

I prefer the animated one : 




Well ... don't think there will time for this ... but I support more cuddling in ME3.

Modifié par Yannkee, 18 août 2011 - 07:00 .

[jtav]

After trying and failing to choose between them, I have decided Alex is stringing along Miranda and Liara for as long as humanly possible. Does that make me a bad person?

[Melra]

jtav wrote...

After trying and failing to choose between them, I have decided Alex is stringing along Miranda and Liara for as long as humanly possible. Does that make me a bad person?

No, just indecisive.

And yesh.. More cuddling, not that I used that thing after my first playthrough, but still... When it was part of the dialogueish interaction between the characters, it was neat.

[Ieldra]

Melrache wrote...

ViSeirA wrote...

Yannkee wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

If you're talking about the CB again, Yannkee, there is no character development foreshadowing that flip-flop. That's exactly the issue here. The problem is not Cerberus and Miranda's attitude to them, but a sudden switch from the pragmatic to the sentimental. I would have less of an issue with it had she say something like "I don't trust the Illusive Man any more to use it right".

For you maybe, not for me.

And no I don't need that she says something like that to understand why she acted like she did.

You know she never left the Normandy during the entirety of ME2 unless on missions right? and she didn't encounter any situation to make her suspect or distrust TIM, on Paragia it was revealed to be a nearly rogue cell, on the Collector ship TIM admitted to setting them up so the collector's don't get a hint about their plans, that's the same Miranda who said "He's no saint and he'd be the first to admit it" about TIM.

Sorry, but no matter how you try to justify it to yourself there was no indication, explicit or otherwise that Miranda has changed drastically to make such decision, and yes the change has to be drastic in order for her to reach such conclusion.

Well sorry, but there's no way to agree with your opinion, so no point trying. I see it differently, you see it your way not that I care about it that much. My opinions stands.

Yeah...without any supporting arguments.

[Melra]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Melrache wrote...

ViSeirA wrote...

Yannkee wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

If you're talking about the CB again, Yannkee, there is no character development foreshadowing that flip-flop. That's exactly the issue here. The problem is not Cerberus and Miranda's attitude to them, but a sudden switch from the pragmatic to the sentimental. I would have less of an issue with it had she say something like "I don't trust the Illusive Man any more to use it right".

For you maybe, not for me.

And no I don't need that she says something like that to understand why she acted like she did.

You know she never left the Normandy during the entirety of ME2 unless on missions right? and she didn't encounter any situation to make her suspect or distrust TIM, on Paragia it was revealed to be a nearly rogue cell, on the Collector ship TIM admitted to setting them up so the collector's don't get a hint about their plans, that's the same Miranda who said "He's no saint and he'd be the first to admit it" about TIM.

Sorry, but no matter how you try to justify it to yourself there was no indication, explicit or otherwise that Miranda has changed drastically to make such decision, and yes the change has to be drastic in order for her to reach such conclusion.

Well sorry, but there's no way to agree with your opinion, so no point trying. I see it differently, you see it your way not that I care about it that much. My opinions stands.

Yeah...without any supporting arguments.

I don't need to come up with any, because you'd not accept any of those anyway. I do as I please and think as I please, I have better things to do than to waste my time on something, that's been beaten to death for almost a year.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
After trying and failing to choose between them, I have decided Alex is stringing along Miranda and Liara for as long as humanly possible. Does that make me a bad person?

Indecisive? Why that? I can see liking Liara, romancing her....not so much (though I still do it in one playthrough). But then, it's one of my pet peeves you don't share..