Seriously the only thing I can imagine which would allow Bioware to give a significant screen time for every characters while keeping a smaller squad : is to change the core squad during the game (maybe after an important twist).
Modifié par Vertigo_1, 18 août 2011 - 07:50 .
Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 18 août 2011 - 07:53 .
Ieldra2 wrote...
Dr. Doctor wrote...
jtav wrote...
After trying and failing to choose between them, I have decided Alex is stringing along Miranda and Liara for as long as humanly possible. Does that make me a bad person?
Not really, if you want to play with that scenario go ahead. Although I'm not sure I'd want to have someone who could flay me with their mind, and someone who put me back together again mad at me. And god forbid should Shepard chose the "can't I have you both?" option.
Miranda: I trust you Shepard, but if you're leading us on, just know that I can always bring you back after I kill you.
Liara: Is that before or after I flay his mind?
Miranda: Oh definitely after.
Shepard: I should go. (runs for the door)
Great!
Vertigo_1 wrote...
Seriously the only thing I can imagine which would allow Bioware to give a significant screen time for every characters while keeping a smaller squad : is to change the core squad during the game (maybe after an important twist).
Wouldn't that mean little change if you import with only 2 squad members?
Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 18 août 2011 - 07:55 .
Yannkee wrote...
Vertigo_1 wrote...
Seriously the only thing I can imagine which would allow Bioware to give a significant screen time for every characters while keeping a smaller squad : is to change the core squad during the game (maybe after an important twist).
Wouldn't that mean little change if you import with only 2 squad members?
Hmm, no but I think a dev said that the game will be more complicated if you killed almost everyone in ME2.
We have only the statements of the characters here to show us. And Miranda's statement shows no hint of taking any pragmatic consideration into account. I would have expected her to react like Mordin - who clearly saw both sides of the equation. The same, btw, when you choose "this is an abomination" for Shepard. It is all in line with my hypothesis that Paragon decisions were designed around what would appear to be the unreflected, immediate and intuitive good in a situation, regardless of consequences and actual reasoning which might or might not support them. Look at the non-persuasion choices in Tali's trial...flemm wrote...
While I tend to agree that moral and ethical decisions have an emotional component, that is true either way. Clearly, deciding to keep the base may also be motivated by emotions (such as fear). My point is not that emotion is not involved at all, but rather that the decision is not sentiment vs. pragmatism. Sentiment is potentially involved either way, as well as other considerations.BTW, most snapshot moral decisions are emotional. Were it not so, we wouldn't get so passionate over morality. I could link you to several articles proving that, except I don't think we want to get into that here.
Modifié par Ieldra2, 18 août 2011 - 07:59 .
jtav wrote...
Anyone else think Miranda will be the "Archangel" of ME3. Garrus' involvement was kept tightly under wraps.
That's the impression I get. That would be a good sign.jtav wrote...
Anyone else think Miranda will be the "Archangel" of ME3. Garrus' involvement was kept tightly under wraps.
I wonder. Likely there aren't many players who import a playthrough with only two survivors, so I can see things going down that road. Or it could just be so much more difficult and requiring many more sacrifices to win.MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...
Which reminds me. What if you only imported two characters. Say Miri and Garrus. What would happen?
Sounds like ultimate defeat and the Reapers win, don't you think?
Melrache wrote...
jtav wrote...
Anyone else think Miranda will be the "Archangel" of ME3. Garrus' involvement was kept tightly under wraps.
She could be. I don't think it's too big of a stretch to have one of those female Cerberus operatives turn on her comrades and pull that helmet off, only to reveal Miri's face. Bit overused way of making an entrance I guess, but still I think I'd enjoy it, if executed properly.
Dr. Doctor wrote...
Miranda might have a key roll in the plot that we're not ready to see quite yet. On another not the whole "James Vega representing a new player's perspective" intrigues me
Vega: Look at all of this stuff Cerberus is throwing at us. Grunts with rocket boots, lasers, giant mech suits. It's like something out of an old comic book.
Miranda: Well the heads of the old military R&D cell were fans of old comics and movies. Drove the Illusive Man up a wall to hear some of their ideas.
Shepard: Well that would explain the labs full of Rachni, creepers, and husks that I had to clear out.
Miranda: That and that old uniform of mine. It took them three years to develop a flexible fiber that the same damage resistance of a military hard suit. Then when they finally handed the final product out to the field operatives the female versions came with high heels.
Shepard: Those weren't something you added in?
Miranda: Shepard. Who in their right mind would think that running around a battlefield in heels was a good idea?
Shepard: You couldn't just have requisitioned a replacement set with standard boots?
Miranda: Apparently it would have "ruined the aesthetics of the armor." Bloody idiots.
:lol:
We have only the statements of the characters here to show us. And Miranda's statement shows no hint of taking any pragmatic consideration into account.
Modifié par flemm, 18 août 2011 - 08:33 .
Yannkee wrote...
Melrache wrote...
Because sometimes I have time to waste, sometimes I don't.
Personally, even when I have time to waste, I don't really want to post arguments I already posted a hundred times.
If someone disagrees, he has the right to disagree. If someone is asking for more explanations, I respond. If I already responded to this person before, I don't have to repeat myself (even if this person doesn't agree).
There is always an infinite number of hypotheses fitting any particular set of evidence. The question is which one is likely. You don't rationalize in a vacuum. In this case, Miranda would have spoken of a risk if that was what she meant. She has always been direct, blunt even. Framing this as a betrayal - a moral category - appears far-fetched and is without precedence in the earlier conversations with her, especially considering that it's not at all easy to apply such categories here. Of course you can always say it's the first time. You could even bring arguments for that, it being such an exceptional situation. You could say that the out-of-character moment is justified by the situation being exceptional. As an exception, it would even be acceptable. But as a regular character trait it is not.flemm wrote...
Miranda's cause is protecting humanity and furthering its interests. When she says that keeping the base feels like a betrayal of that cause, that may imply all manner of practical considerations (as well as emotional ones). Not being stupid is one of them. We have seen repeatedly that Reaper-level tech can dominate and control. It would be a betrayal of her cause to not eliminate such a risk when given the chance.Ieldra2 wrote...
We have only the statements of the characters here to show us. And Miranda's statement shows no hint of taking any pragmatic consideration into account.
I am not attempting to impose any particular interpretation of her statement, merely pointing out that there are many possible interpretations that do not conform to your thesis.
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