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[LexieTheT-Rexy]

Sorry. :/

Modifié par LexieTheT-Rexy, 20 août 2011 - 04:16 .

[flemm]

Sadly, they have a point. It is not a matter of who is better or has more fans.
The VS is one of the few characters who can't die. So, unless Bioware gives Miranda a central role in the plot while the VS becomes merely a follower (which I don't believe will happen), s/he will pretty much overshadow any ME2 squadmate.

They may have a point, but I'm not sure. Basically the VS will function on an alternate system: you have one or the other, depending on who died.

It may be that many characters in ME3 will function that way. In fact, with every squadmate from ME2, as well as characters like Garrus, Tali and probably Wrex appearing in the game (all of whom may be dead), many characters will pretty much have to function that way.

We probably just haven't met many of the other alternates yet (or we've met them, but don't know how they will plug into the alternate system yet).

We know that Bioware wants a non-imported game to feel accessible, so it may be that most of the alternates are new-player friendly, by which I mean characters that will appear for the first time in ME3.

Modifié par flemm, 20 août 2011 - 05:03 .

[Ieldra]

Shotokanguy wrote...
Part of this I think can be blamed on some holes in the Codex that would've given us a better understanding of personal protection in the universe. It's why people freaked out about Ashley's suit too. We just don't know how good things like Miranda's catsuit are at absorbing projectile impacts. We also don't really know a whole lot about the ME2 method for shields - biotics have barriers instead of tech based shields in their suits.

If we were to assume that biotics can keep their barriers up most of the time and don't need much protection (which I actually apply to all characters) then Miranda really wouldn't need armor. But it still makes sense to have some protection, and I can admit the catsuit is a bit sillier than I'd like things in Mass Effect to be.

So...maybe Miranda should wear some kind...uniform...that is a lot thicker and less form fitting? I'm thinking Imperial Officers in Star Wars or...

http://fallout.wikia...officer_uniform

Spice those up a bit with Mass Effect art direction...what do you guys think?

My main objections to the catsuits, particularly the white one, are these:
(1) The style. The problem is that the difference between elegant and sleek, as the white catsuit appears on the Redemption #4 cover (link) and it's in-game realization, where it comes across as cheap and Enyala's comment as quite appropriate, isn't so easy to pin down. One aspect is that the cover version is slightly less form-fitting, as you can see at the chest. So slightly reducing that in the in-game version might help.
(2) Exposure of the vitals (cleavage) and high heels. This is plainly absurd for any outfit worn in combat. Assume that there are good materials for protection available that make Miranda's catsuits viable for a fight, it must still  cover the chest completely. If there's any cleavage, that's where the enemies will aim. I don't need to talk about the heels...
(3) The painted-on pants effect. Around her ass, the white catsuit looks as if has no thickness at all. The same with the black one around the waist. That won't do at all. You don't usually see the ass crack or the navel in even the most form-fitting kind of clothing. This effect significantly contributes to the perceived "cheapness" of the catsuits. Any outfit that doesn't rectify that will not meet with my approval.

So, something more like on the Redemption #4 cover without cleavage and high heels, that has a perceptible thickness and doesn't look like it's painted on her skin, plus tech armor, might be acceptable. I would still want an option for something that also *looks* as if it can protect a little better.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 20 août 2011 - 05:52 .

[Dr. Doctor]

@Ieldra

For some reason I get the feeling that after Cerberus' R&D division was given the order to design Miranda's suit they immediately set out to design a material that was as tough as ballistic ceramic, flexible as spandex, and as thick as a sheet of paper.

The Enclave officer's uniform strikes me as being more of a shipboard attire I myself like the Star Wars style hat. I think that the Stealth Suit mk II from New Vegas would make a good alternative to the cat suit. It looks more utilitarian than the ME2 suit, but it still retains a sleek look

Modifié par Dr. Doctor, 20 août 2011 - 06:24 .

[Ieldra]

LexieTheT-Rexy wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

LexieTheT-Rexy wrote...
I understand that they believe she is of the same nationality since she is modeled after Yvonne, but, 'Lawson' is a straight-forward English name.

Lawson can't be her real name. Heck, I doubted she was called Miranda until Niket came along.

How can it not be. XD If it was different, the Mass Effect Wiki would have the story behind it.

How can it be? Miranda is a (1) high-ranked (2) covert operative of Cerberus who is (3) on the run from her very powerful and (4) well-known father, she wouldn't walk around using her real name.

If it is her real name, then because Bioware chose to ignore that little detail for simplicity's sake. It's still not at all believable.

Apart from that, why would anyone get angry about which nationality Miranda is assumed to be? I find that incomprehensible.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 20 août 2011 - 06:37 .

[Lee337]

Ieldra2 wrote...

LexieTheT-Rexy wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

LexieTheT-Rexy wrote...
I understand that they believe she is of the same nationality since she is modeled after Yvonne, but, 'Lawson' is a straight-forward English name.

Lawson can't be her real name. Heck, I doubted she was called Miranda until Niket came along.

How can it not be. XD If it was different, the Mass Effect Wiki would have the story behind it.

How can it be? Miranda is a (1) high-ranked (2) covert operative of Cerberus who is (3) on the run from her very powerful and (4) well-known father, she wouldn't walk around using her real name.

If it is her real name, then because Bioware chose to ignore that little detail for simplicity's sake. It's still not at all believable.

Apart from that, why would anyone get angry about which nationality Miranda is assumed to be? I find that incomprehensible.

She was born 2150. Being set in a fictional future, there's no point in saying it can't be her real name because it doesn't match her assumed nationality. Even if there are no Australians named Lawson now, there could easily be in a 139 years time.

[Ieldra]

nitefyre410 wrote...
and who  would've  thought Miranda had a playful side that  wink has toppled empires i tell you

You might be nearer to the mark than you thought, nitefyre. There are a few people here who said they'll make the galaxy burn should Miranda not be back in a significant capacity.

[Ieldra]

Lee337 wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

LexieTheT-Rexy wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

LexieTheT-Rexy wrote...
I understand that they believe she is of the same nationality since she is modeled after Yvonne, but, 'Lawson' is a straight-forward English name.

Lawson can't be her real name. Heck, I doubted she was called Miranda until Niket came along.

How can it not be. XD If it was different, the Mass Effect Wiki would have the story behind it.

How can it be? Miranda is a (1) high-ranked (2) covert operative of Cerberus who is (3) on the run from her very powerful and (4) well-known father, she wouldn't walk around using her real name.

If it is her real name, then because Bioware chose to ignore that little detail for simplicity's sake. It's still not at all believable.

Apart from that, why would anyone get angry about which nationality Miranda is assumed to be? I find that incomprehensible.

She was born 2150. Being set in a fictional future, there's no point in saying it can't be her real name because it doesn't match her assumed nationality. Even if there are no Australians named Lawson now, there could easily be in a 139 years time.

Please read my post first before you answer. I am saying "Lawson" is unlikely to be her real name because she has several reasons (highlighted above) not to walk around in the galaxy using her real name. It has nothing to do with nationality. I really don't care what her nationality is nor what her real name is or which language it comes from, but it is very probably not "Lawson".

Modifié par Ieldra2, 20 août 2011 - 06:53 .

[Lee337]

Ieldra, she wears a Cerberus logo on her catsuit. The ship gets flaged as Cerberus. Aside from running down the street yelling that she works with Cerberus, she couldn't be less covert. And I did read it but I was more quoting Lexie.

[Ieldra]

Lee337 wrote...
Ieldra, she wears a Cerberus logo on her catsuit. The ship gets flaged as Cerberus. Aside from running down the street yelling that she works with Cerberus, she couldn't be less covert. And I did read it but I was more quoting Lexie.

It has been said that this is the logo of one of Cerberus' front companies, Cord-Hislop Aerospace, and that the connection to Cerberus will only be made by those who know the background. I don't know if that's official though.

I don't think Cerberus was designed to be well-known in-universe. Bioware just ignored the implications of Cerberus being a secret organization for the sake of the the "iconic" (I'm beginning to hate that term), i.e. for being deliberately easy to identify for the players and giving it a brand-like visual identity. It's a kind of story-gameplay segregation.

The same would apply to Miranda's name should they choose to reveal it as her real name. There's no need, though. The Illusive Man was revealed as Jack Harper and we still refer to him as the Illusive Man. It would serve no purpose to make "Lawson" canonically Miranda's real last name. Unless they really think that Players Are Morons.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 20 août 2011 - 07:20 .

[Caihn]

@LexieTheT-Rexy

Even if Lawson is her real name, her nationality can be american, australian, english, polish, french or german ... A name has never been a proof of a nationality.
Does Strahovski sound Australian ? No, it's a polish name ... but Yvonne is australian.

As for the fact that Miranda could be Australian : yes she could be, since Bioware didn't say to Yvonne to speak without her Aussie accent when she recorded her lines. So we can assume that she's australian.

Also you should know that the first Australians pioneers were English immigrants (most of them convicts), so a name like Lawson could be very ordinary in Australia.

Modifié par Yannkee, 20 août 2011 - 07:29 .

[Melra]

If we want to nitpick.. Strahovski isn't polish or australian name, since there's probably only one Strahovski in the world.

But yeah, the point still stands.

[Shotokanguy]

Think it's possible to create an accent?

For all we know, Daddy is Russian-African. Maybe he just wanted a daughter with an Australian accent!

Wish we knew more about Miranda's...genetic makeup. It'd be cool to know things about her, like just how physically strong she is, or other small things...things that seem like something you'd learn about someone you're entering into a relationship with. Man, I really feel like we still know so little about this character.

[Caihn]

Melrache wrote...

If we want to nitpick.. Strahovski isn't polish or australian name, since there's probably only one Strahovski in the world.

But yeah, the point still stands.

Yeah I know ... Strzechowski
 

[Spanky Magoo]

Dr. Doctor wrote...

@Ieldra

For some reason I get the feeling that after Cerberus' R&D division was given the order to design Miranda's suit they immediately set out to design a material that was as tough as ballistic ceramic, flexible as spandex, and as thick as a sheet of paper.

The Enclave officer's uniform strikes me as being more of a shipboard attire I myself like the Star Wars style hat. I think that the Stealth Suit mk II from New Vegas would make a good alternative to the cat suit. It looks more utilitarian than the ME2 suit, but it still retains a sleek look

 I would be very dissappointed if Miranda was relegated to wearing something generic like that. Now as light armor for shepard fine.

Modifié par Spanky Magoo, 20 août 2011 - 07:52 .

[Ieldra]

Shotokanguy wrote...
Think it's possible to create an accent?

Not by genetic engineering, no. The capacity to learn and use language is genetic, but which language you will speak is determined by the environment you grow up in.

Wish we knew more about Miranda's...genetic makeup. It'd be cool to know things about her, like just how physically strong she is, or other small things...things that seem like something you'd learn about someone you're entering into a relationship with. Man, I really feel like we still know so little about this character.

We know quite a bit, and can infer other things:
(1) Longevity. Miranda will live half again as long as the average human.
(2) She learns faster than normal, which explains her extraordinary competence in many things.
(3) She very likely has improved eye-body-coordination and agility.
(4) She very likely has enhanced strength, but not of the excessive kind. Were she super-strong, it would be very noticeable. The correlation between muscle mass and strength can be stretched only so far without cybernetics.
(5) She is engineered to look attractive to most men. Though that absolutely must be accompanied by a reasonably healthy lifestyle to maintain the look.

Realistically, I think a woman like Miranda would look significantly more athletic than she looks in the game. Not to put a too fine point on it, more like Yvonne Strahovski.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 20 août 2011 - 07:56 .

[Shotokanguy]

Well, if we end up seeing more of what's under the suit this time around...it would actually be kind of cruel of BioWare to try to create a "perfect" woman and not let us see what she really looks like...I'd hope she is at least remarkably toned. Because yeah, I'd agree she's a bit more on the skinny side than what I'd call "athletic", and athletic fits her more...though that might just be personal taste, since that's the perfect body type to me.

I've been one to criticize BSN's preoccupation with the appearances of the characters lately, but I gotta criticize BioWare's models for FemShep so far. She can be more muscular than that...

[Sebby]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Lee337 wrote...
Ieldra, she wears a Cerberus logo on her catsuit. The ship gets flaged as Cerberus. Aside from running down the street yelling that she works with Cerberus, she couldn't be less covert. And I did read it but I was more quoting Lexie.

It has been said that this is the logo of one of Cerberus' front companies, Cord-Hislop Aerospace, and that the connection to Cerberus will only be made by those who know the background. I don't know if that's official though.

I don't think Cerberus was designed to be well-known in-universe. Bioware just ignored the implications of Cerberus being a secret organization for the sake of the the "iconic" (I'm beginning to hate that term), i.e. for being deliberately easy to identify for the players and giving it a brand-like visual identity. It's a kind of story-gameplay segregation.

The same would apply to Miranda's name should they choose to reveal it as her real name. There's no need, though. The Illusive Man was revealed as Jack Harper and we still refer to him as the Illusive Man. It would serve no purpose to make "Lawson" canonically Miranda's real last name. Unless they really think that Players Are Morons.

The whole Cerberus logo thing makes sense in the context of the Terminus Systems where they're just another outlawed in citadel space group like the Blue Suns,Blood Pack and Eclipse and serves as a deterent for most who would otherwise attack an unmarked ship/facility. If they find them of course..

However this doesn't expain Shep's crew and Cerberus flagged ship being in the Citadel, my only guess is that the council and Anderson/Udina have ordered C-Sec and other authorities to turn a blind eye.

Modifié par Seboist, 20 août 2011 - 08:14 .

[Melra]

Shotokanguy wrote...

Well, if we end up seeing more of what's under the suit this time around...it would actually be kind of cruel of BioWare to try to create a "perfect" woman and not let us see what she really looks like...I'd hope she is at least remarkably toned. Because yeah, I'd agree she's a bit more on the skinny side than what I'd call "athletic", and athletic fits her more...though that might just be personal taste, since that's the perfect body type to me.

I've been one to criticize BSN's preoccupation with the appearances of the characters lately, but I gotta criticize BioWare's models for FemShep so far. She can be more muscular than that...

I don't see the need to have her completely nude with Dragon Age I had complaints, because they tried to portray it as a dark and sexy world and such. It isn't the case in ME, imo. I saw enough during Miri's scene. I kinda know what to expect, I don't need to see the whole thing. It doesn't really serve any kind of purpose, if it's done like in ME1, then cool. But otherwise it just starts to turn into borderline pornography.

[Caihn]

Shotokanguy wrote...

Well, if we end up seeing more of what's under the suit this time around...it would actually be kind of cruel of BioWare to try to create a "perfect" woman and not let us see what she really looks like...I'd hope she is at least remarkably toned. Because yeah, I'd agree she's a bit more on the skinny side than what I'd call "athletic", and athletic fits her more...though that might just be personal taste, since that's the perfect body type to me.

I've been one to criticize BSN's preoccupation with the appearances of the characters lately, but I gotta criticize BioWare's models for FemShep so far. She can be more muscular than that...

I think Miranda's body is fine. Of course she could be more athletic ... but you know I've seen many persons running faster and longer than persons with a sculpted body, so to me it's really not a proof of a better physical condition.
Some athletes have curvy body and are in better physical condition than others.

Modifié par Yannkee, 20 août 2011 - 08:33 .

[Arijharn]

Seboist wrote...

The whole Cerberus logo thing makes sense in the context of the Terminus Systems where they're just another outlawed in citadel space group like the Blue Suns,Blood Pack and Eclipse and serves as a deterent for most who would otherwise attack an unmarked ship/facility. If they find them of course..

However this doesn't expain Shep's crew and Cerberus flagged ship being in the Citadel, my only guess is that the council and Anderson/Udina have ordered C-Sec and other authorities to turn a blind eye.

I partly agree, I also want to point out that the Cerberus logo actually being 'Cord-Hislop's' actually originated I think from Zulu and myself talking in one of the early early CB base threads or even in the Wilson thread that Zulu came up with ages ago, because as far as I know, we were the first one's to make mention of it. We reasoned it because of the obvious conontations; it's plain moronic for a supposedly 'secret' organisation to have a company logo, uniforms and knowing their luck, company stationary too.

Cerberus 'logo' I think doesn't work even in the outlaw regions of Terminus systems, to me it would make more sense as just one of 'Cord-Hislop's 'side' projects that has it's own dedicated security team provided inhouse. Not to mention that in the lawlessness area of the Terminus regions, there implicitly isn't anyone in particular to 'answer too' barring their own shareholders.

[Sebby]

Arijharn wrote...

Seboist wrote...

The whole Cerberus logo thing makes sense in the context of the Terminus Systems where they're just another outlawed in citadel space group like the Blue Suns,Blood Pack and Eclipse and serves as a deterent for most who would otherwise attack an unmarked ship/facility. If they find them of course..

However this doesn't expain Shep's crew and Cerberus flagged ship being in the Citadel, my only guess is that the council and Anderson/Udina have ordered C-Sec and other authorities to turn a blind eye.

I partly agree, I also want to point out that the Cerberus logo actually being 'Cord-Hislop's' actually originated I think from Zulu and myself talking in one of the early early CB base threads or even in the Wilson thread that Zulu came up with ages ago, because as far as I know, we were the first one's to make mention of it. We reasoned it because of the obvious conontations; it's plain moronic for a supposedly 'secret' organisation to have a company logo, uniforms and knowing their luck, company stationary too.

Cerberus 'logo' I think doesn't work even in the outlaw regions of Terminus systems, to me it would make more sense as just one of 'Cord-Hislop's 'side' projects that has it's own dedicated security team provided inhouse. Not to mention that in the lawlessness area of the Terminus regions, there implicitly isn't anyone in particular to 'answer too' barring their own shareholders.

Hmm, Cerberus has been hinted as being some kind of vague corporate entity. There's Joker saying the Normandy is a corporate ship, the VI announcer in Overlord's Geth ship saying the workers signed an NDA and then there's Miranda talking non-front company funders.

[Ieldra]

Melrache wrote...

Shotokanguy wrote...

Well, if we end up seeing more of what's under the suit this time around...it would actually be kind of cruel of BioWare to try to create a "perfect" woman and not let us see what she really looks like...I'd hope she is at least remarkably toned. Because yeah, I'd agree she's a bit more on the skinny side than what I'd call "athletic", and athletic fits her more...though that might just be personal taste, since that's the perfect body type to me.

I've been one to criticize BSN's preoccupation with the appearances of the characters lately, but I gotta criticize BioWare's models for FemShep so far. She can be more muscular than that...

I don't see the need to have her completely nude with Dragon Age I had complaints, because they tried to portray it as a dark and sexy world and such. It isn't the case in ME, imo. I saw enough during Miri's scene. I kinda know what to expect, I don't need to see the whole thing. It doesn't really serve any kind of purpose, if it's done like in ME1, then cool. But otherwise it just starts to turn into borderline pornography.

I come from the premise that I don't need to see everything, but what I see should be believable. The ME1 scenes were like that, even though they were more limited in other aspects. The ME2 scenes, not so much. The ME1 scenes were also better for their dialogue. Ashley's scene wouldn't be the same without her playful challenge, for instance.

So, off to GamesCom soon. Let's see if I can get into the ME3 panel.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 20 août 2011 - 08:48 .

[Golden Owl]

Lee337 wrote...


She was born 2150. Being set in a fictional future, there's no point in saying it can't be her real name because it doesn't match her assumed nationality. Even if there are no Australians named Lawson now, there could easily be in a 139 years time.

*Growly tone*...Hmmmm....as an Aussie I can assure you the surname 'Lawson' has a prestigious past here in Oz...'Henry Lawson' one of our more famous poets/story teller's thank you very much *full stop*....

Modifié par Golden Owl, 20 août 2011 - 08:53 .

[Shotokanguy]

Yeah what Ieldra said about believability is good. I don't really care that much, Melrache and Yannkee, I was just stating what I'd like to see if we do see anything. I want it to be sensible. For example, just as Miranda's actions are strong, I'd like her to look strong.

Modifié par Shotokanguy, 20 août 2011 - 08:57 .