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[Arijharn]

There is gamescom ME3 Q&A on the link I provided, but I'm unsure of the value of it since the video does indeed have problems at points. I know that the video goes at least up to 32minutes, but I had to play around to get there due to never knowing exactly where the next 'bad patch' is in the download.

I got up to about 32minutes because I just ran out of patience by then, and that's when the guy finished his question re Miranda because someone (in this very thread apparently!) was spamming the question and he got a bit exasperated by it I think.

[Caihn]

Yeah but I never managed to go to the moment about Miranda ... it always cut before that.

[flemm]

Yannkee wrote...

The fact that they don't want to confirm her as squadmate is definetely not good news for me.

Yeah, I want her on the squad. Following up on the romance is great, don't get me wrong, but I would be disappointed if that is the main emphasis of her involvement. That should be in addition to her role on the squad.

Modifié par flemm, 20 août 2011 - 01:40 .

[Arijharn]

But... why? I'm not so sure if any character's involvement on the squad could really be considered important, unless they help you take down Reapers.

If Miranda is following her own devices, then that implies to me at least that they could be potentially war changing devices... like; unlocking the secrets to Indoctrination or whatever. A squad presence basically boils down to the fact she joins you just to shoot things, which on the face of it, isn't really that awesome.

[MisterJB]

http://www.youtube.c..._n2R_TY#t=3m05s

Was I the only one whose mind imediatelly went to this?

[flemm]

Well, I enjoy shooting stuff with Miranda. I get what you are saying about the squad members, they are interchangeable for the most part, but they are also around a lot if you want them to be.

In ME3 that could be significantly more satisfying, to the extent that the devs follow through on added banter and more interaction between squad members.

Also, defeating the Reapers is the main plot of the game, doubtless with a heavily orchestrated final mission, tough command decisions to make, etc. If Miranda is no longer with you at that point in the game, then likely we would be missing out on a lot of potentially awesome stuff.

Now, of course, I don't mean to imply that the character might not have an important role without being on the squad, it could happen. I'm not sure how I would feel about it, but it could happen.

Modifié par flemm, 20 août 2011 - 01:58 .

[Caihn]

Arijharn wrote...

But... why? I'm not so sure if any character's involvement on the squad could really be considered important, unless they help you take down Reapers.

If Miranda is following her own devices, then that implies to me at least that they could be potentially war changing devices... like; unlocking the secrets to Indoctrination or whatever. A squad presence basically boils down to the fact she joins you just to shoot things, which on the face of it, isn't really that awesome.

What you don't understand is that I don't consider her presence in the squad as something necessary to have an important role, but necessary to have conversations, interactions, and character development : you can't have this if she's not here.
I play Mass Effect also to learn more about the characters and to interact with them, and the only way to do that is to have them at my side during a long period.

She can do her own thing before ME3, or during a certain period during the game, I don't care. But I want her in the squad for a long period.

Modifié par Yannkee, 20 août 2011 - 02:01 .

[Arijharn]

I understand all that Yannkee, but I don't think you can form a 'closer relationship' at the time when she's busy blowing something's head off at 100 paces or crushing something with her biotics. More character growth I can see easily occuring during a lull when you're both (smooching up) on board the Normandy, but not in an active warzone which I'm sure you can tell the difference between.

[jtav]

Arijharn wrote...

But... why? I'm not so sure if any character's involvement on the squad could really be considered important, unless they help you take down Reapers.

If Miranda is following her own devices, then that implies to me at least that they could be potentially war changing devices... like; unlocking the secrets to Indoctrination or whatever. A squad presence basically boils down to the fact she joins you just to shoot things, which on the face of it, isn't really that awesome.

For once I agree with you. Anybody can spam Warp. Though I don't see why we can't have both, perhaps by structuring her role similarly to Tali's in ME2. Let us glimpse her doing awesome things, but she's busy for now. Then, she isn't. But U'd rather have her idependently important than have more conversations, if I had to choose.

[Caihn]

Arijharn wrote...

I understand all that Yannkee, but I don't think you can form a 'closer relationship' at the time when she's busy blowing something's head off at 100 paces or crushing something with her biotics. More character growth I can see easily occuring during a lull when you're both (smooching up) on board the Normandy, but not in an active warzone which I'm sure you can tell the difference between.

I agree.
But you forget all the comments of the squadmates during the missions. Maybe in ME2 there were too few party banter, but you can't have Miranda's comment about the trap during the collector ship mission if she's not here, you can't have the resignation scene if she's not here ... and all the small comments which help to understand the character.

They also announced more party banter and interactions in ME3. So I want to have Miranda in my squad to enjoy that.

Anyway, like you said most of the conversations are on the Normandy, so Miranda has to be on the Normandy. Why she should not be a squadmate then ?

Modifié par Yannkee, 20 août 2011 - 02:09 .

[Ieldra]

OK people, good news. I'm just back from attending the Mass Effect 3 panel on GamesCom.

Mike Gamble said that Miranda "will have a large role" in Mass Effect 3, but refused to say anything about her being a squadmate or not.

[jtav]

Most of the interjections and banter throughout the series have been generic. So no great loss. I just like the idea of her sharing a team with Kaidan and Liara.

[jtav]

Ieldra2 wrote...

OK people, good news. I'm just back from attending the Mass Effect 3 panel on GamesCom.

Mike Gamble said that Miranda "will have a large role" in Mass Effect 3, but refused to say anything about her being a squadmate or not.

Woohoo!

And yes, I added it to the OP.

Modifié par jtav, 20 août 2011 - 02:13 .

[Caihn]

jtav wrote...

Most of the interjections and banter throughout the series have been generic. So no great loss. I just like the idea of her sharing a team with Kaidan and Liara.

I don't agree.
Miranda has also unique lines.

[flemm]

Probably means she isn't on the squad tbh. Hopefully, what they have planned will be cool. If not, my torch and pitchfork are just over there in the pantry...

Modifié par flemm, 20 août 2011 - 02:13 .

[Caihn]

flemm wrote...

Probably means she isn't on the squad tbh. Hopefully, what they have planned will be cool. If not, my torch and pitchfork are just over there in the pantry...

Well, to me it will be very simple. She's not in the squad = no ME3

[Ieldra]

More answers from the panel:

*no more mission complete screens
*Paragon decision will not be guaranteed to have the best outcomes
*New squadmates will be met during the story, which means no more recruitment missions and it is possible that some will leave to do their own thing.
*Casual difficulty will stay about the same as in ME2, but the new enemies may require new tactics - but that's what the new powers are for.

As again for Miranda, "She will have a large role", were his exact words as part of the answer to the question "WIll Miranda be a main character similar to Liara and Garrus". I guess that's another worst-case scenario out of the way.
:)

We could also watch an extended version of the Fall of Earth demo with a few scenes added, a conversation with Anderson and Shepard leaving Earth on the Normandy while the Reaper cut everything in pieces. Very emotional, I can tell you. And the existing TV footage of the demo does the real thing no justice. Very impressive.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 20 août 2011 - 02:20 .

[MisterJB]

Ieldra2 wrote...

OK people, good news. I'm just back from attending the Mass Effect 3 panel on GamesCom.

Mike Gamble said that Miranda "will have a large role" in Mass Effect 3, but refused to say anything about her being a squadmate or not.

Finally.

Ieldra2 wrote...
As again for Miranda, "She will have a large role", were his exact words as part of the answer to the question "WIll Miranda be a main character similar to Liara and Garrus". I guess that's another worst-case scenario out of the way.

I guess that means she won't be a permanent squadmate. Well, large role will have to suffice.

Modifié par MisterJB, 20 août 2011 - 02:21 .

[flemm]

Still too vague for me to break out the bubbly, but good news. I need to hear the words "main" or "squad" before I shall give myself over to optimism. I agree that the answer almost feels like a "no." Yes, important, but no, not on the squad.

Modifié par flemm, 20 août 2011 - 02:23 .

[Caihn]

MisterJB wrote...
I guess that means she won't be a permanent squadmate. Well, large role will have to suffice.

Not to me.

[hotdogbsg]

Yannkee wrote...



Well, to me it will be very simple. She's not in the squad = no ME3

Are you a Mass Effect fan?

Just seems a strange attitude to have if you are a fan of the series.

[ViSeiRa]

@Ieldra2: That's amazing news, let the speculation begin about what that role is but I'm sure taking down Cerberus is part of it.

[Caihn]

hotdogbsg wrote...

Yannkee wrote...



Well, to me it will be very simple. She's not in the squad = no ME3

Are you a Mass Effect fan?

Just seems a strange attitude to have if you are a fan of the series.

Yes, I am. I'm also a Bioware fan.
But it doesn't mean I will play a game I know I won't enjoy, because something very important for me will be missing.

Modifié par Yannkee, 20 août 2011 - 02:25 .

[ViSeiRa]

I think I'm one of the few who don't want her to be a permanent squadmate, it'd limit her contribution to the war, and as I said before, Miranda is much more than a foot soldier, let her join us for some time, help us take down Cerberus and then leave to do her thing, otherwise she's just reduced to a mere follower who has almost no hook points in the bigger picture like Garrus for instance.

Some of you may argue that she can make that contribution while on the Normandy and they're right but it won't give her the same air of independence that she'd have if she left, also a large role with her leaving may include The Illusive Woman scenario which I really hope comes to reality.

Modifié par ViSeirA, 20 août 2011 - 02:30 .

[The Uncanny]

hotdogbsg wrote...

Yannkee wrote...

Well, to me it will be very simple. She's not in the squad = no ME3

Are you a Mass Effect fan?

Just seems a strange attitude to have if you are a fan of the series.

Isn't that a little bit harsh? Whilst I'd still play ME3 (eventually), I'll almost certainly cancel my CE if Miranda isn't a squad member...