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[flemm]

Well, an indoctrinated squad mamber could certainly die along the way, depending on your decisions.

I think that developing a way to resist indoctrination is more likely than a cure in any event.

[MisterJB]

I would like it if the Cure to Indocrination was tied to the final choice of ME2.
And this comes from a Base-destroyer.

Modifié par MisterJB, 21 août 2011 - 07:06 .

[The Elder King]

flemm wrote...

Well, an indoctrinated squad mamber could certainly die along the way, depending on your decisions.

I think that developing a way to resist indoctrination is more likely than a cure in any event.

It's true that there are different stages of indoctrination (on Virmire, there was two indoctrinated salarian that can talk with Shepard and we can decide to free them, one attacks us and the other not, so a indoctrinated person "could" resist and not follow the Reaper's orders, if his/her mind is strong and he/she's not been under indoctrination for a lot of time), so if Bioware decides to follow the "indoctrinated squadmate" route, I think that they'll go on that way. Still, I don't like the idea of indoctrinated squadmates, and even less the idea of a cure.

[Ieldra]

hhh89 wrote...

Vertigo_1 wrote...

Jebel Krong wrote...

Possible indoctrination of squad/crew? obvious but ripe for exciting character story development...

Miranda de-indoctrinating the vs?! - that would be an interesting twist on things - especially if both were previously romance d.

Please no indoctrination cure for ME3...I'd rather have drama.
Or at least have it so that the 'cure' comes with a cost.

I agree with you. If they're going to indoctrinate some squadmates, I'd prefer if the situation is permanent and that the squadmate dies, instead of a miracolous cure.

What about a technological cure? Indoctrination is a continuous process and is carried in part by nanites. As long as the target's mind isn't destroyed, it may be possible to counter these with appropriate technology. 

Apart from that, I do not want unavoidable deaths of specific team members. What if it was Miranda? 

[flemm]

It's true that there are different stages of indoctrination (on Virmire, there was two indoctrinated salarian that can talk with Shepard and we can decide to free them, one attacks us and the other not, so a indoctrinated person "could" resist and not follow the Reaper's orders, if his/her mind is strong and he/she's not been under indoctrination for a lot of time), so if Bioware decides to follow the "indoctrinated squadmate" route, I think that they'll go on that way. Still, I don't like the idea of indoctrinated squadmates, and even less the idea of a cure.

True, but I was referring to a distinction that would be more like cure vs. vaccine. A way of preventing a non-indoctrinated individual from being indoctrinated vs. a way of de-indoctrinating an individual who is already indoctrinated.

Both are possible, but the vaccine route strikes me as more likely.

[jtav]

I think we may have a race against time where we try to find a cure for someone not yet fully indoctrinated.

[flemm]

By the way, just to get it on the table as a possibility: Miranda is the main representative of the Reapers in ME3, and a primary antagonist, a bit like Saran in ME1. A "large role" haha.

Modifié par flemm, 21 août 2011 - 07:23 .

[flemm]

sorry, double post.

Modifié par flemm, 21 août 2011 - 07:22 .

[Ieldra]

[jtav]

Which wouldn't make sense because she won't be in all games. She may be a secondary antagonist, but I don't consider it likely.

[flemm]

I certainly don't think it's likely, fortunately, but she won't be dead in many games. The possibility that she's an antagonist, at least initially in some scenarios, is definitely on the table, based on what we know so far.

She may not know what she was genetically engineered for, i.e. to be a herald of the Reapers. Just ruminating, but I don't think we can rule that out.

A large role? Check. Not ok? Check. Huge plot spoiler if revealed? Check. Just saying.

Modifié par flemm, 21 août 2011 - 07:46 .

[sms4008]

and if you dont cure them soon enough they kill a random squadmate/important person and you than have too kill the indoctrinated one, that would be reallly cool

[jtav]

Antagonist, at least initially, has a good possibility. But far more likely that Cerberus is pressuring her w/ Oriana.

[Ieldra]

flemm wrote...
I certainly don't think it's likely, fortunately, but she won't be dead in many games. The possibility that she's an antagonist, at least initially in some scenarios, is definitely on the table, based on what we know so far.

She may not know what she was genetically engineered for, i.e. to be a herald of the Reapers. Just ruminating, but I don't think we can rule that out.

We can't rule that she'll be initially an antagonist. But I place so probability whatsoever in that "herald of the Reapers" scenario. Think of the plausibility problems alone. And it would mean she'd die. No, that won't happen.

[jtav]

Slightly more plausible antagonist scenario: Cerberus discovers something that makes them believe Lazarus has turned Shepard into a time bomb. Miranda feels an obligation to fix her mistake and assists in the effort to kill Shep.

[The Elder King]

Ieldra2 wrote...

hhh89 wrote...


I agree with you. If they're going to indoctrinate some squadmates, I'd prefer if the situation is permanent and that the squadmate dies, instead of a miracolous cure.

What about a technological cure? Indoctrination is a continuous process and is carried in part by nanites. As long as the target's mind isn't destroyed, it may be possible to counter these with appropriate technology. 

Apart from that, I do not want unavoidable deaths of specific team members. What if it was Miranda? 

I don't want unavoidable deaths of some team members either, so in the case Miranda will be indoctrinated, I'll surely use a cure if there is. But I wouldn't like it.
If there is a technological cure for indoctrination, I want that the cure is already been "created" before the squadmate indoctrination.

Modifié par hhh89, 21 août 2011 - 08:21 .

[Melra]

If I'd find out that Miranda was indoctrinated in the game, I'd probably do same as with NHL 2000. I'd take the disc out and start throwing frisbee. NHL 2000's disc lasted one throw.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Melrache wrote...

If I'd find out that Miranda was indoctrinated in the game, I'd probably do same as with NHL 2000. I'd take the disc out and start throwing frisbee. NHL 2000's disc lasted one throw.

So would I. I do not want to wait for for so damn long for this game, only to find out that my LI has been indoctrinated. That would be heart-wrenching.

[Volandrius]

jtav wrote...

Slightly more plausible antagonist scenario: Cerberus discovers something that makes them believe Lazarus has turned Shepard into a time bomb. Miranda feels an obligation to fix her mistake and assists in the effort to kill Shep.

I could see that working, boss fight with a "Cerberus Officer" or something, her helmet falls off then Shep would just be like;



Of course then theres the latter, where she resigned from cerberus in the CB.. what then?

Modifié par Volandrius, 21 août 2011 - 08:29 .

[ViSeiRa]

jtav wrote...

Slightly more plausible antagonist scenario: Cerberus discovers something that makes them believe Lazarus has turned Shepard into a time bomb. Miranda feels an obligation to fix her mistake and assists in the effort to kill Shep.

That'd make for a interesting plot, but it still negates the fact that Cerberus is a full time enemy, because there's only three outcomes:

[1] Cerberus manages to kill Shepard thus ending the threat, and effectively ending the game which is impossible.

[2] Cerberus fails to kill Shepard and the inevitable happens and he gets indoctrinated or does something that foils the war against the reapers and effectively ends any chance of beating them which is also impossible.

[3] Cerberus and Miranda manage to capture him and fix whatever is wrong with him/her, which would make Cerberus just a "friendly" enemy at worst, in which case they can't be a full time enemy as the devs said, also if it's fixable, why wouldn't Miranda tell Shepard what's wrong and that she can fix it?

hhh89 wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

hhh89 wrote...


I agree with you. If they're going to indoctrinate some squadmates, I'd prefer if the situation is permanent and that the squadmate dies, instead of a miracolous cure.

What about a technological cure? Indoctrination is a continuous process and is carried in part by nanites. As long as the target's mind isn't destroyed, it may be possible to counter these with appropriate technology. 

Apart from that, I do not want unavoidable deaths of specific team members. What if it was Miranda? 

I don't want unavoidable deaths of some team members either, so in the case Miranda will be indoctrinated, I'll surely use a cure if there is. But I wouldn't like it.
If there is a technological cure for indoctrination, I want that the cure is already been "created" before the squadmate indoctrination.

This, I don't want us to start looking for a cure because a squadmate got indoctrinated, counteracting the indoctrination process should be as integral to the war effort as destroying a reaper.
  

Modifié par ViSeirA, 21 août 2011 - 08:31 .

[Ieldra]

ViSeirA wrote...
This, I don't want us to start looking for a cure because a squadmate got indoctrinated, counteracting the indoctrination process should be as integral to the war effort as destroying a reaper.

Absolutely. And I can see Miranda being integral to that effort. And NOT as a victim.

[Caihn]

These discussions are even more depressing than the lack of Miranda news.

Modifié par Yannkee, 21 août 2011 - 08:48 .

[jtav]

Easy. You fight Miranda and something happens that makes her believe a cure is possible or Cerberus was wrong. Cerberus disagrees...with bullets. And Cerberus can blackmail/guilt her into taking Shep down.

[Melra]

I am just hoping they come up with explanation, how Saren was able to resist the indoctrination when after he was implanted by Sovereign. If Shepard's words can counteract those... Then... Woah.. the magic sperm isn't that far fetched.

I kinda hope they reveal, that Saren fought back more than initially thought and somehow his deeds made it all possible, therefore giving him the title of saviour. Shepard just isn't cool enough to save the galaxy.

[ViSeiRa]

Ieldra2 wrote...

ViSeirA wrote...
This, I don't want us to start looking for a cure because a squadmate got indoctrinated, counteracting the indoctrination process should be as integral to the war effort as destroying a reaper.

Absolutely. And I can see Miranda being integral to that effort. And NOT as a victim.

And Cerberus maybe the only organization that managed to observe and study the indoctrination process, they'd have made an invaluable ally if Bioware didn't choose to relegate them to ultimate villains. /sigh

jtav wrote...

Easy. You fight Miranda and something happens that makes her believe a cure is possible or Cerberus was wrong. Cerberus disagrees...with bullets. And Cerberus can blackmail/guilt her into taking Shep down.

Why would they disagree though? I can't deny it's a very alluring possibility as to why Cerberus is the enemy in ME3, but the second a cure is believed to exist or the ability to make one I think they'd commit to finding it, as long as they can contain whatever threat Shepard might pose during the creation process, I don't think anyone would question a woman who brought someone back from the dead if she said she can fix or cure something.

Modifié par ViSeirA, 21 août 2011 - 08:48 .