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[jtav]

"You're too close to this Miranda, seeing what you want to see. A cure would take too long." Miranda joins you, working feverishly to stop you from becoming another Saren. You're racing to save both yourself and the galaxy.

And if she's dead, the cure becomes harder.

[ViSeiRa]

jtav wrote...

"You're too close to this Miranda, seeing what you want to see. A cure would take too long." Miranda joins you, working feverishly to stop you from becoming another Saren. You're racing to save both yourself and the galaxy.

And if she's dead, the cure becomes harder.

And that puts an end to my effort to render the scenario implausible, in fact it's too good that I'll find it hard to accept anything the writers do for Miri's plot.

The bolded part can make for a good line in a marketing vid too :-)

Modifié par ViSeirA, 21 août 2011 - 09:10 .

[flemm]

jtav wrote...

"You're too close to this Miranda, seeing what you want to see. A cure would take too long." Miranda joins you, working feverishly to stop you from becoming another Saren. You're racing to save both yourself and the galaxy.

And if she's dead, the cure becomes harder.

I like it!

[jtav]

Heh, thanks guys. And of course players would have the option to execute her after defeating her, reverting to whatever happens in a dead!Miranda game.

[Ieldra]

Hmm....I'm not sure I would exactly like that scenario, but it's certainly a plausible one. It is altogether unbelievable that Shepard has spent so much time near known indoctrination devices without getting affected. This would wrap that aspect of his story up nicely and give Miranda an important task, not just for Shepard's sake.

I would like it if Miranda was the one who "cracked" indoctrination.

[nitefyre410]

jtav wrote...

"You're too close to this Miranda, seeing what you want to see. A cure would take too long." Miranda joins you, working feverishly to stop you from becoming another Saren. You're racing to save both yourself and the galaxy.

And if she's dead, the cure becomes harder.

 


I must reluctantly accept the awesome of this idea.


Though I don't think that TIM is working for the  Reapers that turns everything that they established about his  character on  its head to the  point that I would have to serious question Biowares ability to write a intriguing plot. 

Honestly If Miri workined Cerberus at the start  of the game  TIM is hold Oriana as  trump card bargining chip.  To which recuriting her involves   going to save  Oriana.  To which Miri tells Shepard  thats impossible... to which Shep replies..

"So was  coming back through the Omega 4 Relay..."  

Its a much subelty way to put  her at ods  with Shepard and to throw some nice gray in the mix becasue how would not got the such lengths for a sibling.

[jtav]

The only negative is that, with my scenario, she'd be spending a good bit of time off-squad. Something like that makes for an excellent beginning of third act plot twist.

[ViSeiRa]

jtav wrote...

The only negative is that, with my scenario, she'd be spending a good bit of time off-squad. Something like that makes for an excellent beginning of third act plot twist.

I've always wanted to see Miranda in a lab coat, so... 

Edit: Too bad I've never seen any fanart of this, Miranda in a lab coat, holding a test tube in her hand and staring at a holo-monitor, it'd be awesome...

Modifié par ViSeirA, 21 août 2011 - 10:22 .

[LexieTheT-Rexy]

To tell the truth, the indoctrination thing scares me more than it excites me.

[flemm]

Re: Oriana being used as leverage to force Miranda to oppose Shepard, it's a plausible idea, but not one I would be thrilled about. It's too close to putting Miranda in a helpless situation unless saved by Shepard.

I do think it's possible that Shepard's resurrection might leave him vulnerable to indoctrination and that Miranda might play a role in avertling that. Possibly Liara as well, though.

LexieTheT-Rexy wrote...

To tell the truth, the indoctrination thing scares me more than it excites me.

You and me both LoL. But it would be a nightmare scenario for fans of a lot of characters tbh.

Modifié par flemm, 21 août 2011 - 10:36 .

[Dr. Doctor]

Shepard as ticking time bomb could be an interesting plot twist but the whole concept of Cerberus Science striking out yet again  just bugs me.

I mean we've had the Creepers, Husks, Rachni, Project Overlord, Pragia, the whole thing with Grayson, among other projects that blew up in Cerberus' face. Can't one thing just simply work for a change?

[jtav]

Why not Mianda and Liara working together? *fangirls*

[nitefyre410]

I could deal with far better that the indoctrination angel that just plays a like bad fan fic and turns a lot of what they established on its head. The first whiff of Reaper Miranda gets from Cerberus and she is getting out there and find Shepard ASAP. The Hole indoctrination angle just makes her look kinda herp derp.

The Oriana angle brings some more humanity to her character ,even stronger characters get put in situations were they don't know what to do and worst have to ask for help .

Modifié par nitefyre410, 21 août 2011 - 10:40 .

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

LexieTheT-Rexy wrote...

To tell the truth, the indoctrination thing scares me more than it excites me.

I do not want to see Miri indoctrinated at all! That's madness and torture for a Mirimancer/Mirimaniac like myself.

[LexieTheT-Rexy]

I feel like I'm going to go into playing this game shaking and barely able to keep out of the fetal position. XD

^^ And that's exactly why.

Modifié par LexieTheT-Rexy, 21 août 2011 - 10:48 .

[nitefyre410]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

LexieTheT-Rexy wrote...

To tell the truth, the indoctrination thing scares me more than it excites me.

I do not want to see Miri indoctrinated at all! That's madness and torture for a Mirimancer/Mirimaniac like myself.

 

It just madness and I would  be giving the  Bioware  "The **** is this ****" look if they do  indroctrination  for any of the characters really.   It would have to be some serious and  REALLY good build up for  it - not just  "Oh look this characters is indoctrinated = DRAMMMMMMMMMMAAA "

Me <_<

[jtav]

I feel like Shepard fighting indoctrination due to implants makes sense. Look at RenShep's eyes. Every other case of glowing eyes is due to Reaper tech. It makes sense that Shep has it too. It narratively justifies Shepard's death and resurrection. There were dozens of ways to estrange Shep and the Alliance. And yet, the writers chose death. It's silly if they use it as a simple reset button.

[The Elder King]

jtav wrote...

I feel like Shepard fighting indoctrination due to implants makes sense. Look at RenShep's eyes. Every other case of glowing eyes is due to Reaper tech. It makes sense that Shep has it too. It narratively justifies Shepard's death and resurrection. There were dozens of ways to estrange Shep and the Alliance. And yet, the writers chose death. It's silly if they use it as a simple reset button.

I agree with you that it's very likely that Reaper tech was involved in resurrecting Shepard, though I don't like much the idea. I fear this since I knew that Shepard was dead.
But I doubt that we're going to have news about it. I think we'll have to wait and see what happens in ME3.

[LexieTheT-Rexy]

jtav wrote...

I feel like Shepard fighting indoctrination due to implants makes sense. Look at RenShep's eyes. Every other case of glowing eyes is due to Reaper tech. It makes sense that Shep has it too. It narratively justifies Shepard's death and resurrection. There were dozens of ways to estrange Shep and the Alliance. And yet, the writers chose death. It's silly if they use it as a simple reset button.

And I suppose it does make sense about how your attitude affects the regeneration and repair of your body (specifically, your face and eyes).

Though, my question is: How are you going to control Shepard, if he becomes indoctrinated?

Modifié par LexieTheT-Rexy, 21 août 2011 - 11:04 .

[xlI ReFLeX lIx]

Sorry, new to the party but why is everyone talking about Miranda as an enemy? I don't want her as an enemy!

[The Elder King]

LexieTheT-Rexy wrote...

jtav wrote...

I feel like Shepard fighting indoctrination due to implants makes sense. Look at RenShep's eyes. Every other case of glowing eyes is due to Reaper tech. It makes sense that Shep has it too. It narratively justifies Shepard's death and resurrection. There were dozens of ways to estrange Shep and the Alliance. And yet, the writers chose death. It's silly if they use it as a simple reset button.

And I suppose it does make sense about how your attitude affects the regeneration and repair of your body (specifically, your face and eyes).

Though, my question is: How are you going to control Shepard, if he becomes indoctrinated?

There are different stages of indoctrination. Shepard could resist to same extent to the indoctrination, and in the meantime they could find (or use it if there is one already) a solution/cure.

[nitefyre410]

xlI ReFLeX lIx wrote...

Sorry, new to the party but why is everyone talking about Miranda as an enemy? I don't want her as an enemy!

 

Tossing  around theories of how she will introduced in ME 3  to the squad again.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

xlI ReFLeX lIx wrote...

Sorry, new to the party but why is everyone talking about Miranda as an enemy? I don't want her as an enemy!

Nor do I! It's like torture. 

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 21 août 2011 - 11:09 .

[LexieTheT-Rexy]

xlI ReFLeX lIx wrote...

Sorry, new to the party but why is everyone talking about Miranda as an enemy? I don't want her as an enemy!

We don't either, we're just trying to hypothesize how she's going to fit into the third game considering she could, or could not have resigned from Cerberus, and how the organization is after your Shepard, along with the new news that indoctrination will serve a large part of the game.

hhh89 wrote...

LexieTheT-Rexy wrote...

jtav wrote...

I feel like Shepard fighting indoctrination due to implants makes sense. Look at RenShep's eyes. Every other case of glowing eyes is due to Reaper tech. It makes sense that Shep has it too. It narratively justifies Shepard's death and resurrection. There were dozens of ways to estrange Shep and the Alliance. And yet, the writers chose death. It's silly if they use it as a simple reset button.

And I suppose it does make sense about how your attitude affects the regeneration and repair of your body (specifically, your face and eyes).

Though, my question is: How are you going to control Shepard, if he becomes indoctrinated?

There are different stages of indoctrination. Shepard could resist to same extent to the indoctrination, and in the meantime they could find (or use it if there is one already) a solution/cure.

I suppose, but what about his interactions with the prothean beacons in the first game. Possibly they can serve to slow the indoctrination progress (if it does, indeed, attack Shepard)

Modifié par LexieTheT-Rexy, 21 août 2011 - 11:10 .

[Melra]

hhh89 wrote...

jtav wrote...

I feel like Shepard fighting indoctrination due to implants makes sense. Look at RenShep's eyes. Every other case of glowing eyes is due to Reaper tech. It makes sense that Shep has it too. It narratively justifies Shepard's death and resurrection. There were dozens of ways to estrange Shep and the Alliance. And yet, the writers chose death. It's silly if they use it as a simple reset button.

I agree with you that it's very likely that Reaper tech was involved in resurrecting Shepard, though I don't like much the idea. I fear this since I knew that Shepard was dead.
But I doubt that we're going to have news about it. I think we'll have to wait and see what happens in ME3.

Yeah, I am eager to find out how they'll play it, but I am not too optimistic on it being anything good. If it somehow turns Shepard into half human, I am not interested anymore. That's not who I want to play as. If I could play it from Miranda's perspective, I'd do it, but not from Shepard's.

Though, if an VI can take over Shepard that easily, even for a short period, then what can a Reaper do? I must admit that I cursed and sighed in disappointment, when I saw that happen to Shepard. Even, if it would turn out to be Miranda's ''fault'' in the end, I can't really blame the character. I just blame the writers.

If there's some decent way to play it, then I haven't found it yet. I guess I just have to trust the writers, but it truly seems like that the more I hear, the less likely I am to buy the game.