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[Errol Dnamyx]

I know what I don't want to see: The Illusive Woman
That would ruin it for me...

[Ieldra]

Errol Dnamyx wrote...
I know what I don't want to see: The Illusive Woman
That would ruin it for me...

Why that? And what kind of ending do you want for Miranda?

[Arijharn]

I think 'The Illusive Woman' is a predictable ending for her actually, as much a 'wasted opportunity' imo as Oriana being the carrot dangled above Miranda's head as a method to control her.

[Errol Dnamyx]

Cerberus is done as an organization. I don't think there will be anything left after ME3. And even if there was, I doubt that she would want to take over the remains of the big bad villain.

[MassEffect4Eva1710]

^^ I agree with you. I acutually hate Cerburus and I would not want to see Miranda take it over! And to me it doesn't seem like something she would do. Taking over as you said the "bad bad villian".

[Ieldra]

Errol Dnamyx wrote...
Cerberus is done as an organization. I don't think there will be anything left after ME3. And even if there was, I doubt that she would want to take over the remains of the big bad villain.

The Reapers are the Big Bad, not Cerberus. Apart from that, TIM was right in one thing: humanity needs an analogue to the salarian STG. It would be stupid, once you have control of Cerberus' space stations, data collections and scientific resources, not to use them, and Miranda will be well-placed to take control. The name might have to go, as well as the more fanatic followers and of course the indoctrination devices, but that's about it.

BTW, such things are standard practice after having won a war, even the non-extremist personnel usually gets a job under the new regime.  

[flemm]

I don't know, we tend to think of Cerberus as this horrible mad-scientist terror organisation, which apparently is accurate to a large degree, but on the other hand, there are all these reasonable people working for them, or willing to do so for a while in any event: Jacob, Donnelly and Gabe, Joker, the Doctor, mess hall guy, etc.

I think there's perhaps something there that could be salvaged by Miranda. I'm not dying to see it or anything, but it could be good.

Modifié par flemm, 24 août 2011 - 11:44 .

[Melra]

I don't see Alliance trusting Miri enough to give her control of those, they're more likely put someone who's working for them, to head the possible group. I still think it would have to be quite a lot different to Cerberus, if there was going to be anything new after Cerberus.

Still, it's extremely boring idea for me at least. There's not many interesting ways to keep going from there.

And yes, the predictability factor is one thing, that also makes it really ''meh''. Hopefully BioWare comes up with something else.

[Errol Dnamyx]

Using remaining Cerberus ressources for humanities cause is one thing, rebuilding the organization and just changing the name is another. I think it's time for Miranda's character to cut all ties with Cerberus.
I'd hate it, if she became Liara 2.0 just without the head tentacles.

Modifié par Errol Dnamyx, 24 août 2011 - 12:15 .

[wright1978]

Ieldra2 wrote...

MassEffect4Eva1710 wrote...
Ok, I've got a question for everyone: what do you want to happen at the epilouge (sorry if thst is spelt wrong) with Miranda? To the people that don't want Miranda and Shepard to have kids, what do you want?

This is from the OP:

Possible endings for Miranda I would like:

(1) The Illusive Woman: Miranda takes over what remains of Cerberus and creates humanity's equivalent of the salarian STG from it.
(2) Into the Sunset: Miranda and Shepard lead an expedition into the unknown reaches of the galaxy, never to be seen again in Citadel space.
(3) The Foundation: Miranda inherits her father's fortune and uses it to develop Lazarus technology into something more widely available and develop other human enhancement technologies.

I have absolutely zero interest in Miranda's family life - unless it's *interesting*. For instance this: in her father's home, Miranda finds tanks with other clone sisters and she'll raise these children as her own daughters. Otherwise, keep the family stuff out of my epic SF scenarios. None of the abovementioned scenarios exclude the possibility of children, and that's as it should be, but unless it's interesting, I don't want it to become a topic. Leave it 100% to the player's imagination. 

I don't mind those options. They seem to me to fit quite well into the romance dynamics. 1 sort of feels like the ending for a renegade romance, 2 the paragon romance ending & 3 the Miranda survives the game unromanced/dumped.

[ParadoxAu]

I don't want to see 'The Illusive Woman' scenario either.

[jtav]

Who said *anything* about the Alliance as a whole needing to trust her. It would still be independent and probably technically illegal, but with less gratuitous torture and murder. It would do things the Alliance can't. And letting all that money, tech, etc go to waste is just stupid.

[Ieldra]

wright1978 wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

MassEffect4Eva1710 wrote...
Ok, I've got a question for everyone: what do you want to happen at the epilouge (sorry if thst is spelt wrong) with Miranda? To the people that don't want Miranda and Shepard to have kids, what do you want?

This is from the OP:

Possible endings for Miranda I would like:

(1) The Illusive Woman: Miranda takes over what remains of Cerberus and creates humanity's equivalent of the salarian STG from it.
(2) Into the Sunset: Miranda and Shepard lead an expedition into the unknown reaches of the galaxy, never to be seen again in Citadel space.
(3) The Foundation: Miranda inherits her father's fortune and uses it to develop Lazarus technology into something more widely available and develop other human enhancement technologies.

I have absolutely zero interest in Miranda's family life - unless it's *interesting*. For instance this: in her father's home, Miranda finds tanks with other clone sisters and she'll raise these children as her own daughters. Otherwise, keep the family stuff out of my epic SF scenarios. None of the abovementioned scenarios exclude the possibility of children, and that's as it should be, but unless it's interesting, I don't want it to become a topic. Leave it 100% to the player's imagination. 

I don't mind those options. They seem to me to fit quite well into the romance dynamics. 1 sort of feels like the ending for a renegade romance, 2 the paragon romance ending & 3 the Miranda survives the game unromanced/dumped.

I hope we'll be able to play towards a certain ending without being restricted by the Paragon/Renegade system. Anyway, the important thing for me is to have an ending where Miranda continues to do interesting things that challenge her abilities and of which stories could be made.

[Melra]

jtav wrote...

Who said *anything* about the Alliance as a whole needing to trust her. It would still be independent and probably technically illegal, but with less gratuitous torture and murder. It would do things the Alliance can't. And letting all that money, tech, etc go to waste is just stupid.

Because those things just don't work. Cerberus is a good example of it. At least my Shepard wouldn't be too supportive of helping to create similar organization, no matter if Miranda's in charge or not. And who knows what has happened to their bases, if they really allied themselves with Reapers. I'd do exactly what I did with the CB. Just burn it all down....

[Ieldra]

Melrache wrote...

jtav wrote...

Who said *anything* about the Alliance as a whole needing to trust her. It would still be independent and probably technically illegal, but with less gratuitous torture and murder. It would do things the Alliance can't. And letting all that money, tech, etc go to waste is just stupid.

Because those things just don't work. Cerberus is a good example of it. At least my Shepard wouldn't be too supportive of helping to create similar organization, no matter if Miranda's in charge or not. And who knows what has happened to their bases, if they really allied themselves with Reapers. I'd do exactly what I did with the CB. Just burn it all down....

It wouldn't be too different from an interstellar corporation, except that it wouldn't exist primarily to generate more money for its shareholders, and that its extralegal divisions would do the important work while the legal ones serve as resource generators. In fact, not too different from the Shadow Broker's organization, only focused more on things affecting humanity.

Can you trust such an organization in the long term? Probably as far as you can trust any corporation. But that doesn't necessarily prevent it from being useful.

As for the space stations, the same rule applies as for the CB: study the stuff rather than destroy it. We aren't pressed for time.

Anyway, that "Illusive Woman" scenario is just one option, and the others I quoted just two. There must be other interesting things Miranda can do after the Reapers are defeated...

[flemm]

Well, Miranda doing something with Cerberus is predictable partly because it's relatively plausible, at least plausible as things go in this type of fiction. So, it's the type of thing that we come up with as fans when we mull these things over.

But Miranda could easily be off doing something completely different by the time ME3 starts, thereby changing her status quo in ways we can't really predict. Personally I'd be happy to be completely surprised by what she decides to do upon resigning from Cerberus.

[AstronautN7]

Generally for ME3: I want to be able to  "save the galaxy" and have a "happy ending with my LI".

If BW is going for a simpler ending I'd be fine with Miranda and Shepard flying into the sunset/nebulas together with a little spaceship, a little dialog, making out in zero g (ala James Bond), while leaving the rest/future open ended and up to each players imagination.

It would be also be an ending BW could do with all LI's by simply switching the LI graphics, a few lines of dialog and maybe a cutscene I guess.

I just don't like the idea of Miranda becoming TIW.

Modifié par AstronautN7, 24 août 2011 - 02:22 .

[wright1978]

i definitely want different endings for different characters and ideally like there to be choice of endings for each character dependent on the important decisions in the game that could shape their future direction . Copy-paste endings as suggested by AstronautN7 would seem very cheap imo.

[Melra]

AstronautN7 wrote...

Generally for ME3: I want to be able to  "save the galaxy" and have a "happy ending with my LI".

If BW is going for a simpler ending I'd be fine with Miranda and Shepard flying into the sunset/nebulas together with a little spaceship, a little dialog, making out in zero g (ala James Bond), while leaving the rest/future open ended and up to each players imagination.

It would be also be an ending BW could do with all LI's by simply switching the LI graphics, a few lines of dialog and maybe a cutscene I guess.

I just don't like the idea of Miranda becoming TIW.

I can't say I approve of this, every single LI should get somewhat own kind of ending. At least have their own flavour to it, we saw enough of copy+paste stuff done in DA2.

Modifié par Melrache, 24 août 2011 - 02:41 .

[TMA LIVE]

Melrache wrote...

AstronautN7 wrote...

Generally for ME3: I want to be able to  "save the galaxy" and have a "happy ending with my LI".

If BW is going for a simpler ending I'd be fine with Miranda and Shepard flying into the sunset/nebulas together with a little spaceship, a little dialog, making out in zero g (ala James Bond), while leaving the rest/future open ended and up to each players imagination.

It would be also be an ending BW could do with all LI's by simply switching the LI graphics, a few lines of dialog and maybe a cutscene I guess.

I just don't like the idea of Miranda becoming TIW.

I can't say I approve of this, every single LI should get somewhat own kind of ending. At least have their own flavour to it, we saw enough of copy+paste stuff done in DA2.

(Looks at Avatar)

God dammit Miranda, stop teasing me!

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 24 août 2011 - 02:44 .

[flemm]

I just don't like the idea of Miranda becoming TIW.

I doubt it would be that straightforward in any event. To judge by ME2, there a lot of people in Cerberus who are sincerely there to try to do some good (or at least prevent some bad), protect humanity, etc., and who would be dismayed at the notion of Cerberus advancing the Reapers' agenda.

But the alliance might not want them back. So Miranda could be the logical choice to rally that element of Cerberus as part of the war effort and maybe found a new organisation afterward. I doubt it would be a case where Miranda would just be plugged in as TIW the way Liara is plugged in as the SB, with the organisation as a whole remaining intact.

If something like I described above were to happen, I could see it being pretty cool honestly. But something completely different could work also.

Modifié par flemm, 24 août 2011 - 03:10 .

[Vertigo_1]

ParadoxAu wrote...

Vertigo_1 wrote...
I'm the resident Twitter expert now? Fine, I'll send this his way

Thanks mate, and henseforth you shall be known as Vertigo_1 the Twitter Expert.

Yay <_<

Yannkee wrote...
Personally I think his reaction about the thread is not a good sign.

ParadoxAu wrote...
I agree, that's why i'd be curious to see his reaction now.

Well, just because he reacted on twitter before does not mean he will do the same this time.  If anyone else wants to point it out to him go ahead, I do know that he reads all of them though, just that he gets so many he only answers a few...

[Td1984]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Td1984 wrote...
Haha. I've never noticed that before. May be because once I get them the part they need, I don't go back to talk to them again.

Really? Don't you listen to them when you pass them on the way to Tali? I mean OK, you romance Miranda like most of us here, but you can't tell me you don't talk with Tali...

Ah, Ken and Gabby should return. I want my Lazarus cell crew back in ME3, damn it!

It's been awhile since I've played ME2 completely through (only on my PS3 version). I'm usually so focused on the mission that I only talk to the crew when Kelly briefs me about their LM (though I do talk to the NPCs in order to get their little side quests). Miranda of course is the exception as I talk to her as much as possible, whether the romance has been initiated or not.

[jtav]

Well, with Bioware itself referring to Cerberus as N*zi scientists, I'm sure you;ll get the option to eradicate them. God, I'm really starting to hate the ME universe.

[TMA LIVE]

jtav wrote...

Well, with Bioware itself referring to Cerberus as N*zi scientists, I'm sure you;ll get the option to eradicate them. God, I'm really starting to hate the ME universe.

Who and when did anyone at Bioware say Ceberus were ****'s?