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[jtav]

In the tlk file. http://social.biowar...88367/1#8188598

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
Well, with Bioware itself referring to Cerberus as N*zi scientists, I'm sure you;ll get the option to eradicate them. God, I'm really starting to hate the ME universe.

I think that was a leftover of the early concept. After all, they also said TIM embodied both the best and the worst of humanity, and so far he hasn't been 100% villain - after all, he was the only one who actually did something against the Reapers. That there was an added benefit to him in form of the Collector base I don't hold against him.

I'll wait until I've played ME3 before I pass final judgment on the universe. The design pattern of the decisions leaves a lot to be desired at this point, but maybe the barrage of complaints will affect how things are set up in ME3.

[MisterJB]

jtav wrote...
 http://social.biowar...88367/1#8188598

Nice going, real nice. Remember all the moral ambiguousness introduced in ME2? Yeah, completely thrown out of the bloody window by comparing Cerberus to the most accepted, recognizable and cliched definition of evil in the western world!
Damn it!

Modifié par MisterJB, 24 août 2011 - 06:54 .

[flemm]

Well, we'll see how it works in the actual game. With Cerberus as a primary antagonist, Miranda is likely to play a central role in at least a pretty big chunk of the game, so from that point of view, I can't say I'm too sorry that they are turning the tables like that.

Really Miranda is the character who should be most deeply affected by this type of thing since she was presented as a Cerberus loyalist in the prior game and yet generally also in a sympathetic light, along with several other characters. So, I tend to think that some ambiguity will be preserved.

Modifié par flemm, 24 août 2011 - 06:14 .

[jtav]

I still want my reformed, salvaged Cerberus. It's a void that will be filled by someone, and I want it filled by someone who understands the difference between necessity and pointless cruelty.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
I still want my reformed, salvaged Cerberus. It's a void that will be filled by someone, and I want it filled by someone who understands the difference between necessity and pointless cruelty.

Yes. It doesn't really matter if its structure is preserved or if a new organization just takes data, some of the material resources and hires some of the old staff. Humanity needs its STG equivalent, and Miranda is well positioned to lead it. (OK....I admit I'm a sucker for female super-spies....that's what made me pay attention to Miranda in the first place)

Modifié par Ieldra2, 24 août 2011 - 06:39 .

[Caihn]

This makes me even more against the illusive woman scenario.
I really don't want to see Miranda associated with this crappy organization anymore.

Modifié par Yannkee, 24 août 2011 - 06:41 .

[Caihn]

Errol Dnamyx wrote...

Using remaining Cerberus ressources for humanities cause is one thing, rebuilding the organization and just changing the name is another. I think it's time for Miranda's character to cut all ties with Cerberus.
I'd hate it, if she became Liara 2.0 just without the head tentacles.

this

[flemm]

I really don't want to see Miranda associated with this crappy organization anymore.

Well, she does resign. But if the truly malignant nature of Cerberus is revealed in ME3, that would logically be a serious issue for her, since she's devoted a large chunk of her life and loyalty to them. Serious issue = opportunity for awesome content, so really I have a hard time seeing this as a bad thing.

Modifié par flemm, 24 août 2011 - 06:45 .

[Ieldra]

flemm wrote...
Well, she does resign. But if the truly malignant nature of Cerberus is revealed in ME3, that would logically be a serious issue for her, since she's devoted a large chunk of her life and loyalty to them. Serious issue = opportunity for awesome content, so really I have a hard time seeing this as a bad thing.

*sigh* She doesn't resign if you keep the Collector base. I don't know why people insist on presenting this as the canonical outcome. 

I think she'll end up out of Cerberus no matter what, but she won't suddenly switch her goals. She wants to do something to give humanity a leg up on the galactic stage, and I find it plausible she'll continue doing that after the Reapers are defeated.

[jtav]

Ieldra2 wrote...

jtav wrote...
I still want my reformed, salvaged Cerberus. It's a void that will be filled by someone, and I want it filled by someone who understands the difference between necessity and pointless cruelty.

Yes. It doesn't really matter if its structure is preserved or if a new organization just takes data, some of the material resources and hires some of the old staff. Humanity needs its STG equivalent, and Miranda is well positioned to lead it. (OK....I admit I'm a sucker for female super-spies....that's what made me pay attention to Miranda in the first place)

Same here. Female superspes are like catnip for me. A name change is a good idea, even necessary. People like Leng and Archer  must go. But there are also smart, principled people like Miranda. Let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater.

[flemm]

*sigh* She doesn't resign if you keep the Collector base. I don't know why people insist on presenting this as the canonical outcome.

Possibly because it seems likely that she will end up fighting Cerberus regardless. But, yes, you are right, for the moment it is only one possibility.

[Caihn]

flemm wrote...

I really don't want to see Miranda associated with this crappy organization anymore.

Well, she does resign. But if the truly malignant nature of Cerberus is revealed in ME3, that would logically be a serious issue for her, since she's devoted a large chunk of her life and loyalty to them. Serious issue = opportunity for awesome content, so really I have a hard time seeing this as a bad thing.

I don't think it will be a serious issue.
The best thing that could happen to Miranda is that she can make something significant with Shepard, something more important than what she could do with Cerberus.

Modifié par Yannkee, 24 août 2011 - 07:23 .

[nitefyre410]

Taking what ever is left of Cerberus after I'm done with them and her Fathers Considerable finances I can see her starting her own Organization. Because even after the Reapers are done with there is still going be a need for someone to watch and work in the Shadows. When it comes to that she is one of the Best there is.

Now what role Shepard plays depends on the if Romance her or not....

[OrumRod]

I'm also not in for the "Illusive Woman" thing. I'd hate that ending.

[nitefyre410]

Illusive woman implies she's taking over Cerberus - that's not what I am saying... I saying she Takes her fathers fortune Salvage what is left of Cerberus(which won't be a lot by the time I'm done) and build her own group from the ground up and do things her. Cause I just can't see her as the riding off in the sunset type not with the shambles that Galaxy is going to be in once ME 3. Someone of her Leadership Skill, and others is going to be needed.

Modifié par nitefyre410, 24 août 2011 - 07:45 .

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Yannkee wrote...

This makes me even more against the illusive woman scenario.
I really don't want to see Miranda associated with this crappy organization anymore.

This. Very much this. I second this. Miri quits in my playthrough, so it would suck if she does go back to the **** hole of an organization which was weak enough to be indoctrinated. She doesn't belong with Cerberus anymore.Talk about severe railroading.<_<

[Ieldra]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

Yannkee wrote...
This makes me even more against the illusive woman scenario.
I really don't want to see Miranda associated with this crappy organization anymore.

This. Very much this. I second this. Miri quits in my playthrough, so it would suck if she does go back to the **** hole of an organization which was weak enough to be indoctrinated. She doesn't belong with Cerberus anymore.Talk about severe railroading.<_<

Just FYI: indoctrination is not a matter of willpower. You might be able to stave if off for some time, but it will take hold in the end inevitably. Also, I think the Cerberus personnel we fight in ME3 will be indoctrinated by TIM, so you can't hold it against them.

Also, it's not a matter of "going back". TIM will probably not survive anyway. It's making something different from the remains.  Apart from that, I like the term "Illusive Woman" for its mystery, not for its Cerberus association.

[jtav]

And for me, it's about transforming something corrupt into something genuinely beneficial for humanity. Or are you denying that things like Lazarus are good?

[nitefyre410]

Honestly I'm glad TIM is running the Cerberus show it was Miranda and she was the villain that some fantics makes her out to be ...it would be game of over. She knows how to get the job done

Modifié par nitefyre410, 24 août 2011 - 08:09 .

[Ieldra]

nitefyre410 wrote...
Honestly I'm glad TIM is running the Cerberus show it was Miranda and she was the villain that everyone else makes her out to be ...it would be game of over. She knows how to get the job done

Yeah, that would suck. But who is this "everyone else" who makes Miranda out to be a villain? I've seen a few fanatics of that kind, but they aren't that common that you could call them "everyone else".

[jtav]

At this point I would welcome Miranda being a little villainous. Or have the Reaper tech theory be true and have her absolutely unapologetic. She's really the only valid choice for male Renegades, and I'd like to keep her that way.

[Dr. Doctor]

Well. I guess the whole TIM goes crazy and betrays Shepard even though I kept the base and stayed with Cerberus thing was going to happen anyway.

TIM: I'm sorry Shepard, but you've become a liability to this organization.

Miranda: You can't be serious. Shepard has done more in the last few months than most cells accomplish in years.

TIM: That's enough Miss Lawson, I've made my decision. (motions to a unit of troopers) Deal with them.

Shepard: (sighs) Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal.

[ViSeiRa]

I really ought to create some more time for this thread, but for now let's just say that I agree on Miranda being the only viable option for male Renegades, Liara afterwards to a much lesser degree.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Why do most of you want Miri to become TIW? What if she were to mention not wanting to be doing something like that, and not be part of any organization?