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[The Elder King]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...



It's like they only want there option to happen. Cuz they constantly talk about that. What about a more Pargon/ Paragade Option? 

I'm a Paragade and I want Miranda to be The Illusive Woman.

[Caihn]

The Uncanny wrote...

flemm wrote...

At this point, I'd love to see a screenshot, either from gameplay or the squad screen.

The longer we go without one, the more I fear the dreaded *gulp* redesign... 

Yeah, I also fear that.

[The Elder King]

Yannkee wrote...

The Uncanny wrote...

flemm wrote...

At this point, I'd love to see a screenshot, either from gameplay or the squad screen.

The longer we go without one, the more I fear the dreaded *gulp* redesign... 

Yeah, I also fear that.

Me too. Hopefully they didn't change too much. Aside the hair, she was perfect as she was in ME2.

Modifié par hhh89, 24 août 2011 - 10:30 .

[flemm]

It's like they only want there option to happen. Cuz they constantly talk about that. What about a more Pargon/ Paragade Option?

Well, I think it will be in the game, so I wouldn't worry too much about what is dominating the forum discussion.

But, also, I do think hhh89 is right that most of the talk about Miranda becoming "TIW" is not about her regressing to her old role at Cerberus, but progressing to a new role as head of new covert organisation (whatever the organisation might be called). Which could honestly work for Renegade AND Paragade evolutions of the character (imo).

Modifié par flemm, 24 août 2011 - 10:40 .

[The Uncanny]

hhh89 wrote...

Yannkee wrote...

The Uncanny wrote...

flemm wrote...

At this point, I'd love to see a screenshot, either from gameplay or the squad screen.

The longer we go without one, the more I fear the dreaded *gulp* redesign... 

Yeah, I also fear that.

Me too. Hopefully they didn't change too much.

It's a really, really good point by flemm, though. Miranda is - essentially - Yvonne Strahovski with dark hair.

It is difficult to imagine how you could go too far wrong with that formula... 

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

I wonder if BioWare has started on the Concept Design for Miri.

[Jebel Krong]

[quote]Yannkee wrote...

[quote]The Uncanny wrote...

[quote]flemm wrote...

At this point, I'd love to see a screenshot, either from gameplay or the squad screen. [/quote]

The longer we go without one, the more I fear the dreaded *gulp* redesign... [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/uncertain.png[/smilie]

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Yeah, I also fear that.[/quote]

Why? how could they screw up the perfect woman with yvonne's likeness and with the unreal engine upgrades that by themselves should fix most of me2's problems... okay they could put her in some unsuitable armour or something, but at least you normally get alternatives with those.

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[flemm]

The only concern, I guess, would be that they would get nervous about how sexy the character is. But that would be rather silly on their part. And, again, with Yvonne as the model, they have their work cut out for them if they want to reduce the sexyness.

Other possibilities might include some plot-related cosmetic alteration, which is hard to speculate about, or just an outfit we don't like.

I guess I might be one of the few, but I've liked every outfit she's worn, so I'm not personally too concerned.

Modifié par flemm, 24 août 2011 - 10:36 .

[Caihn]

flemm wrote...

But, also, I do think hhh89 is right that most of the talk about Miranda becoming "TIW" is not about her regressing to her old role at Cerberus, but progressing to a new role as head of new covert organisation (whatever the organisation might be called). Which could honestly work for Renegade AND Paragade evolutions of the character (imo).

The problem is that nobody can take this organization seriously anymore.
Even if she changes the organization, it will change nothing and I don't want to see Miranda leading the remains of Cerberus. I prefer that she do real important things with Shepard during ME3, and build a new organization during the epilogue.

Modifié par Yannkee, 24 août 2011 - 10:38 .

[The Elder King]

Yannkee wrote...

The problem is that nobody can take this organization seriously anymore.
Even if she changes the organization, it will change nothing and I don't want to see Miranda leading the remains of Cerberus. I prefer that she do real important things with Shepard during ME3, and build a new organization during the epilogue.

I'll be fine with that too. Both the option (Cerberus-new organization) are good for me.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Yannkee wrote...

flemm wrote...

But, also, I do think hhh89 is right that most of the talk about Miranda becoming "TIW" is not about her regressing to her old role at Cerberus, but progressing to a new role as head of new covert organisation (whatever the organisation might be called). Which could honestly work for Renegade AND Paragade evolutions of the character (imo).

The problem is that nobody can take this organization seriously anymore.
Even if she changes the organization, it will change nothing and I don't want to see Miranda leading the remains of Cerberus. I prefer that she do real important things with Shepard during ME3, and build a new organization during the epilogue.

That can work. Building an organization from scratch. One that will be more trustworthy. One the every other race doesn't thrash against.

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 24 août 2011 - 10:42 .

[Jebel Krong]

I'd like her to take over as scientist aboard the normandy ... she's a natural fit - as we know mordin has moved on, and she can actually do something to match her heritage and reputation there - a la Lazarus.

[Caihn]

Jebel Krong wrote...

I'd like her to take over as scientist aboard the normandy ... she's a natural fit - as we know mordin has moved on, and she can actually do something to match her heritage and reputation there - a la Lazarus.

I would prefer that she get her XO rank back, but if this can make her available on the Normandy and also as a squadmate for a long period I won't complain too much.

[flemm]

I would prefer that she get her XO rank back, but if this can make her available on the Normandy and also as a squadmate for a long period I won't complain too much.

On that point, it's possible that we might be overthinking things (as fans, we do this a lot lol). She could, after all, just keep her role as XO of the ship, help take down Cerberus and the Reapers, then get an epilogue if she survives. Simple, straightforward, and pretty awesome.

Modifié par flemm, 24 août 2011 - 10:53 .

[The Elder King]

Yannkee wrote...

Jebel Krong wrote...

I'd like her to take over as scientist aboard the normandy ... she's a natural fit - as we know mordin has moved on, and she can actually do something to match her heritage and reputation there - a la Lazarus.

I would prefer that she get her XO rank back, but if this can make her available on the Normandy and also as a squadmate for a long period I won't complain too much.

Even is she'll be permanent, I doubt that she'll be back as XO. The Alliance wouldn't let Miranda be the second in command of the Normandy. It's true that Shepard, as a Spectre (if he/she is one) could decide whatever they want, but I don't think we'll be able to decide the XO of the Normandy.
I hope that the XO will not be the VS. I'll be fine with Kaidan (though I don't see why a Spectre should serve under another Spectre/former Spectre) but Ashley doesn't seem to me as a leading type, even if she matured.
Though I'll not see her much, since I generally choose Kaidan on Virmire.

[Caihn]

hhh89 wrote...

Yannkee wrote...

Jebel Krong wrote...

I'd like her to take over as scientist aboard the normandy ... she's a natural fit - as we know mordin has moved on, and she can actually do something to match her heritage and reputation there - a la Lazarus.

I would prefer that she get her XO rank back, but if this can make her available on the Normandy and also as a squadmate for a long period I won't complain too much.

Even is she'll be permanent, I doubt that she'll be back as XO. The Alliance wouldn't let Miranda be the second in command of the Normandy. It's true that Shepard, as a Spectre (if he/she is one) could decide whatever they want, but I don't think we'll be able to decide the XO of the Normandy.
I hope that the XO will not be the VS. I'll be fine with Kaidan (though I don't see why a Spectre should serve under another Spectre/former Spectre) but Ashley doesn't seem to me as a leading type, even if she matured.
Though I'll not see her much, since I generally choose Kaidan on Virmire.

How the Alliance could prevent Shepard to choose Miranda ? They will threaten the only person that can save them ?
Seriously, nobody should care about this when the Reapers will be there. Shepard should be able to choose an ex Cerberus agent if he consider that she's the most competent for this role. And I also hope that most of the SR2 crew will be back as well.

Of course there is the VS, but even if I like Kaidan, he won't prevent me to have my XO back. Otherwise, bad things could happen to him.

[flemm]

How the Alliance could prevent Shepard to choose Miranda ? They will threaten the only person that can save them ?
Seriously, nobody should care about this when the Reapers will be there. Shepard should be able to choose an ex Cerberus agent if he consider that she's the most competent for this role. And I also hope that most of the SR2 crew will be back as well.

There's some material in the DLC that, I think, teases the very possibility you are discussing. For example, Admiral Hackett says, "I'm not even sure this is a Cerberus ship anymore." This is in Arrival, which leads pretty much straight into ME3.

Also, look at the transition between ME1 + 2: all these alliance characters suddenly turned up working for Cerberus, so it has happened before.

The only real issue is the fact that Miranda will be dead in some games, so what then? However, the same question is going to apply to a lot of characters, even some of the regular Normandy crew (who can also die on the collector base), so I don't know that this is as big an obstacle as it would first appear. ME3 is going to need to make a lot of adjustments for imported games regardless.

Modifié par flemm, 24 août 2011 - 11:10 .

[The Elder King]

Yannkee wrote...

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How the Alliance could prevent Shepard to choose Miranda ? They will threaten the only person that can save them ?
Seriously, nobody should care about this when the Reapers will be there. Shepard should be able to choose an ex Cerberus agent if he consider that she's the most competent for this role. And I also hope that most of the SR2 crew will be back as well.

Of course there is the VS, but even if I like Kaidan, he won't prevent me to have my XO back. Otherwise, bad things could happen to him.

I agree with you (on Miranda and the SR-2 crew both). But the thing is that there will be players that don't want Miranda as XO, and wanted someone else, like the VS. So the only solution would be to make Shepard decide the XO of the Normandy. But I don't think that they'll bother with that. They'll put VS or someone else (maybe a simple NPC).
In truth, if she'll be permanent I'll not care if she's the XO or the scientist. I'll be happy that she'll on the Normandy.
edit: and there is what flemm  said about Miranda possible death in ME2.

Modifié par hhh89, 24 août 2011 - 11:10 .

[jtav]

The XO will either be the VS or an NPC. Personally it drove me nuts that Miranda was XO because I wanted to know who had the deck.

[Little Red Corvette]

macwalterslives Mac Walters
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@Remus88Romulus Yes. Harbinger will be there with all his Reaper homies. As to KS, we always try keep the same VO actors whenever possible.

Not comfirming anything, but could be new light to whether Yvonne will voice Miranda or now.

And sorry for bringing this up in the middle of another topic

Modifié par Little Red Corvette, 24 août 2011 - 11:15 .

[Vertigo_1]

Little Red Corvette wrote...

macwalterslives Mac Walters
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@Remus88Romulus Yes. Harbinger will be there with all his Reaper homies. As to KS, we always try keep the same VO actors whenever possible.

Not comfirming anything, but could be new light to whether Yvonne will voice Miranda or now.

And sorry for bringing this up in the middle of another topic

I saw that but didn't put it here because it's still not a confirmation for those who want her back voicing Miranda

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 24 août 2011 - 11:18 .

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Yvonne was already confirmed correct? Or are we still stuck unknowing her confirmation?

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 24 août 2011 - 11:19 .

[Caihn]

hhh89 wrote...

Yannkee wrote...

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How the Alliance could prevent Shepard to choose Miranda ? They will threaten the only person that can save them ?
Seriously, nobody should care about this when the Reapers will be there. Shepard should be able to choose an ex Cerberus agent if he consider that she's the most competent for this role. And I also hope that most of the SR2 crew will be back as well.

Of course there is the VS, but even if I like Kaidan, he won't prevent me to have my XO back. Otherwise, bad things could happen to him.

I agree with you (on Miranda and the SR-2 crew both). But the thing is that there will be players that don't want Miranda as XO, and wanted someone else, like the VS. So the only solution would be to make Shepard decide the XO of the Normandy. But I don't think that they'll bother with that. They'll put VS or someone else (maybe a simple NPC).
In truth, if she'll be permanent I'll not care if she's the XO or the scientist. I'll be happy that she'll on the Normandy.
edit: and there is what flemm  said about Miranda possible death in ME2.

Well this could fit one of the scenario I imagined. There could be something in the midlle of the game that force you to replace some of your squadmates (virmyre scenario), and maybe you will have to choose between the VS and an another character like Miranda.

edit : picture time

Modifié par Yannkee, 24 août 2011 - 11:19 .

[MisterJB]

Yannkee wrote...

How the Alliance could prevent Shepard to choose Miranda ? They will threaten the only person that can save them?

By assigning only zealot-I mean, loyal Alliance personell to the Alliance. Antagonizing the entire crew against the XO and potentially the CO is not a good idea. Especially when there is another human Spectre on board.

Seriously, nobody should care about this when the Reapers will be there.

Sadly, Cerberus is working for the Reapers. It's the equivalent of picking a Volus to be an XO aboard a human vessel during the First Contact War.

Personally, I'm not that concerned about Miranda not being the XO. That will just make disregarding the VS's opinion in favor of Miranda's that much sweeter.

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...
 Building an organization from scratch.

Why? What's the point when building one from Cerberus' remains is that much easier.

One the every other race doesn't thrash against.

Oh, I fully expect Miranda's organization to be trashed against and I'm perfectly ok with it. Having the Alliance bogged down by policies and protocol is bad enough for humanity. Miranda's org will have to be the one that operates outside of the law.
That could actually incentivate my Shepard into becoming an Alliance Admiral.

Shepard: Hi, sweetie. Called to check in how you are and to let you know that the Alliance is planning a raid on X base.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

MisterJB wrote...

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...
 Building an organization from scratch.

Why? What's the point when building one from Cerberus' remains is that much easier.

But What if Cerberus were to be completely wiped out? Imagine, if you will, the Reapers no longer needing them, and instead of letting them go, well, they let them go....by wiping every last member of Cerberus indoctrinated. Getting rid of the pawns themselves, once everything is in order.

That is why I am glad Miri is out of Cerberus. What if this were to happen? Hmm?

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 24 août 2011 - 11:29 .